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I'm not sure if that's what you were saying, but you remind me of something interesting: When we were getting costumes for free, I could kind of get that they were trying to protect us from ourselves. After all, you get all pieces whether you like it or not, so they better work.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
I, like many here, am sick to death of getting shortchanged on these NPC conversions. I don't care if they clip with 20% of the available costume pieces, that's still 80% they WON'T clip with. Just like with the IDF pieces, I wanted to make a costume that looks like the group's bosses, but instead I'm stuck with looking like the minions. This is not acceptable! At least with this set I can voice my displeasure by not buying it.
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Now that I'm paying for the pieces, I have to ask: Who gives a crap if they clip with a few existing pieces? I saw the piece in-game, I tried it out in the costume editor, if I still choose to pay money for it despite the clipping, then isn't that my own damn business? It's my money, it's my time, it's my characters, and if I want them to look like crap, then they will look like crap. What's the problem of letting me pay for that even if YOU don't think it looks good? Because, at the end of the day, YOU don't play these characters. I do. They exist so long as I think they look good, irrespective of what anyone else thinks.
Whether it clips or not is irrelevant before the question of whether I can use it or not. And I'm 99% positive I can use the pope hats without them clipping with anything.
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Actually, you know what? I'll have a good long look through the costume set when the servers come out of hourly maintenance, and unless I have some IMMEDIATE use for one of the pieces or fall in love with something I wasn't expecting, I won't be buying this set. And that'll be a first.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
When we were getting costumes for free, I could kind of get that they were trying to protect us from ourselves. After all, you get all pieces whether you like it or not, so they better work.
Now that I'm paying for the pieces, I have to ask: Who gives a crap if they clip with a few existing pieces? I saw the piece in-game, I tried it out in the costume editor, if I still choose to pay money for it despite the clipping, then isn't that my own damn business? It's my money, it's my time, it's my characters, and if I want them to look like crap, then they will look like crap. What's the problem of letting me pay for that even if YOU don't think it looks good? Because, at the end of the day, YOU don't play these characters. I do. They exist so long as I think they look good, irrespective of what anyone else thinks. |
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Sorry, not even minimally interested without the hat.
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Sorry, not even minimally interested without the hat.
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Pretty much if the devs want their microtransactions to work, they should look at other games microtransactions.... like TF2... hats so many hats
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Think im the only one who wasnt interested in the hat and more "want!" about the robes and torso options 
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Pretty much if the devs want their microtransactions to work, they should look at other games microtransactions.... like TF2... hats so many hats
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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This set really feels empty compared to some of the others. Is the bundle 400pp? If it is, it shouldn't be. Seems like there's way less here than the other bundles. The left out parts would've made it way more worth it.
Unfortunately, if they sell enough of 'em, it probably won't ever get revisited.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Just don't even THINK of charging Valve prices for stuff. Seriously
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
What, you don't want to pay 800 points to get an item that has the potential to give you another item that is 1/10th of a single costume part... maybe?
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From left to right;
[Insert Suitable Dev], Myself, Posi
Stab, stab, stab... ¬¬
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Um... You listed three people - yourself included - and three stabs. Did you take your own life there? |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
From left to right;
[Insert Suitable Dev], Myself, Posi Stab, stab, stab... ¬¬ |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Um... You listed three people - yourself included - and three stabs. Did you take your own life there?
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Marketing gets two stabs.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Um... You listed three people - yourself included - and three stabs. Did you take your own life there?
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Um... You listed three people - yourself included - and three stabs. Did you take your own life there?
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Farewell is like the end
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Exactement /lights up, flicks ash on dead bodies
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Marketing gets two stabs.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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This is the great part about CoH:F. You don't **HAVE** to buy it. With any luck, all this feedback and sales numbers of the CoT set will show the devs (and marketing people; yea, I see you...) that people don't mind the clipping.
Bear in mind that I'm one of those IconW***es the enjoy having as much costume options as possible. And I'll also play devil's advocate in that when it comes to costumes...
I.
Hate.
Clipping.
And not just with the costumes alone. I include powers in my costume selections. Hand clips through gauntlet? Pass. Shoulder pieces clip through head in combat stance? Pass. And so on. There's a few exceptions to every rule, but you get the point.
I'll just reiterate.
One: I hate clipping.
Two: It's OK to give us a set where a few pieces clip. We're smart enough (I hope) to deal with it in our own way.
Three: Unless an IconW***e, we could always just not buy the set.
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Here's the funny thing - now that I an see all purchasable pieces in the store, I don't have to buy anything until I actually need it. I was still determined to buy everything, however, just because I respect the art team and I feel that their work is worth paying money for even if I don't really need it right as it's released.
This is the straw that breaks the camel's back. If sets are going to deliberately and intentionally going to hold back all the best pieces, then I won't buy them until I have a use for them, and considering I rarely have use for more than half a set, I'll be spending a lot less on clothes. It's a pity because I honestly DO want to support the studio and encourage it to make more great costumes.
I'll resume doing that when they resume making great costumes FOR ME, instead of making great costumes for the NPCs and giving me the stripped-down minion version. I'm willing to pay for the good stuff, but if I can't have the good stuff, then I'm done spending my money on anything non-essential. Sorry.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You mean like Celestial and Ascendant, both of which are just as shiny as any of the new CoT pieces and neither of which you need to pay for in the store using paragon points?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'll resume doing that when they resume making great costumes FOR ME, instead of making great costumes for the NPCs and giving me the stripped-down minion version. I'm willing to pay for the good stuff, but if I can't have the good stuff, then I'm done spending my money on anything non-essential. Sorry.
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Hey everyone,
I know there is some disappointment in a few of the COT pieces that didn't make it into the package, and I want to dispel some of the rumors that we do this to keep unique pieces in the NPC's hands. |
In fact, without that justification this strikes me as simply poor communication, poor management of community expectations, and arguably a questionable use of valuable art time, though I am not going to assume I know enough about the logistics or technical issues involved to state that last one categorically.
In the future, I will simply automatically assume any pieces with truly unusual or remarkable geometry will remain unavailable to players, despite the severe clipping issues that have never been addressed on several prominent booster pack costume pieces, and save myself the effort of anticipation.
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What, the costumes gated behind Tier 9 Rewards AND VIP Status, and the level 50, Incarnate only unlocked armours respectively? And, thinking about it, since only VIPs can get Incarnates that makes BOTH of them VIP only armour.|
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
You mean like Celestial and Ascendant, both of which are just as shiny as any of the new CoT pieces and neither of which you need to pay for in the store using paragon points?
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So, what was your point again?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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"Pay for what I want, skip what I don't" has been my mantra since the Store was first announced, and it is essential considering I am attempting to spend nothing except my monthly stipend.
I'm with Sam when I say "I want to support Paragon Studios" and I intend to, so long as it is something that I will use. I bought the Rocket Board and Beam Rifle right away because I knew I would use them. I skipped the fantastic sale deal on character transfers because I knew I had little use for them.
As for the Circle of Thorns pieces, I'll play around with them in the costume editor as I do indeed have a few costume concepts for which they will work. But if I don't need them, or won't use them at the moment, I'll skip them from the time being. The wonderful thing about the store is that, outside of the Tier 9 Rewards, everything in there will be there for a long time, possibly indefinitely. And so far, they have been good about telling us if something will disappear from the market (i.e. the Pirate costume power) so that we have a chance to get it before it is gone.
Just going to bide my time.
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No. Ascendant I will never get because I don't hate myself and will therefore never waste my time running and rerunning iCrap, nor do I have any use for a costume set I can only ever use on level 50 characters. Celestial is good for the auras and the wings, but the rest of the set is quite "meh" and it's tinted an awful washed-out base that doesn't match any other colour on any other costume in the game.|
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
You mean like Celestial and Ascendant, both of which are just as shiny as any of the new CoT pieces and neither of which you need to pay for in the store using paragon points?
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And neither of the two are proliferated NPC sets. Instead of throwing around pure Booster material, look at at the PPD set - we didn't get the Interrogator shoulders and we didn't get the GOOD PPD gloves. Then look at the IDF set - we didn't get the far better, far bigger IDF gloves and shoulders, and instead got significantly toned-down versions. Yet the trainer in First Ward can still wear the cool costume pieces, but I can't.
I have no use for a costume set that doesn't have the exact pieces I wanted out of it, and I'm no longer going to pay for a costume set on principle. Not until I see an NPC-borrowed costume set where the good bits are left in, or otherwise a set that has any of the number of things I've asked for over the years.
P.S. The Celestial boots and gloves are horrid. I wouldn't be caught dead using those things.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Beam Rifle is another one of these. I have no use for the set itself, since I don't play the ATs which can use it, but I'd still buy the set if it would let me use its selection of weapons on at least Mastermind Pulse Rifle. So far, not only has this not been done, but it has been completely and utterly ignored, even though I have no reason to believe any of the Beam Rifle weapons would cause "clipping issues" with the whole of THREE Pulse Rifle attacks.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
I'm with Sam when I say "I want to support Paragon Studios" and I intend to, so long as it is something that I will use. I bought the Rocket Board and Beam Rifle right away because I knew I would use them. I skipped the fantastic sale deal on character transfers because I knew I had little use for them.
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So be it. If I can't get new weapons out of that set, then I'll spend that 800 PP elsewhere. Your loss.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Now THAT is a great idea.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Hopefully if Freedom makes them enough money they can do both, have team one reworking stuff, team two making new stuff.
Would even make for good on the job training, you're not allowed to make new stuff till you've proven your merit reworking the old stuff. |
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That's what minions are for. XD
That aside...
While I do like the pieces we have in this set and I'll probably get plenty of good use out of a few of them, I am disappointed that the parts I wanted most (Yep. The longer skirt and at least one of the tall hats-) aren't there. I was looking forward to building my own "semi-reformed" Death Mage character a costume that really reflected his origin and occupation... but that's going to be pretty-much impossible without the mage parts.
I can't do my poor Nemissary proper justice with these bits, as nice as they are.
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