Less than impressed...
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Aliana Blue,
Posted on: 2011-09-21 08:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I don't know what any of those words mean.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Not my logic. Careful not to put words in my mouth
But think on this... sometimes your game is off. You can't come to the crease and smash a century of 20 balls... maybe you'll get out for a duck... or you bowl your best spell ever and still get carted around the field without a wicket to your name. |
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| Sometimes it's tough to achieve a goal and in achieving it against the odds often gives a greater sense of satisfaction. |
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| It's level 20 for a reason. I bet you that you'd enjoy it if you got a toon to 20 and ran it immediately. |
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| Being 50 and exemping is your own issue and nothing to do with the content |
Some people are okay with exemp'ing and some people are not (and each and all to differing degrees).
That is just something I learned a long time ago.
Why people feel a need to argue against another person's dislike, I don't know.
It's personal preference.
The reasons may differ and some may not hold up, but there are some people who just do not enjoy playing their character(s) at a lower level.
I enjoyed the the arc. The maps are gorgeous and the moment of introducing the Igneous was cool, fun and exciting (to me).
However, I really dislike exemping'ing beyond 5 levels. I just don't like losing powers, plain and simple.
For me, it is not about struggling at all.
I just like having my arsenal available to me. Some of my most used powers are chosen later on.
It's no big deal... It's "not the end of the world" as someone felt the need to continually repeat (as though anyone said that it was)... I, personally (that's me), would have enjoyed it more if they had managed to make it fit the level of your character (low and high).
I know and understand the limitations in place regarding the NPC factions.
This is just a desire beyond that limitation and/or to work around that limitation.
No big deal.
It's funny... I opened this thread expecting to see some sort of criticism about the length of the first part or the story or something... While I figured I'd end up posting "The only thing I was a little disappointed in was that it exemps you to 20", hehe... So, I was pleasantly surprised... and then disappointed at people trying to cut down that opinion.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
I should probably attribute most of the responses in this thread to the thread title... "Less than impressed".
If I were to have started a thread about my opinions... I may have titled it "Great First Arc, Fun, Intriguing, But..."
And then said:
"I found it a little disappointing to be exemp'd to level 20."
Maybe that wouldn't have gotten some of the responses that the OP did.
I can dream, anyway...
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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By that logic, to be fair, you're "wasting" 7.50 a month paying for a sub for this game, since that money goes both red and blue side. You're technically "wasting" even more if you like playing grey side content. While you can avoid these arcs and that's not a problem, that's a silly argument to be making. If you're going to play these arcs multiple times, it doesn't matter whether or not it gives you access on one side or another, you're still using the money you spent.|
Originally Posted by Sun_Runner
I'll be sure to add that to the list of reasons not to buy the signature arc stories when talking it over with friends. Won't use half of the stuff included.
Content that we pay for but that we don't see without going out of our way to do so (by rolling and leveling redside when we don't usually do so) ... is wasted money. Feel free to give me more things to add to my list.  |
I admit, I ran through it on a tank in the 20's range to see what the fuss was about. My tank, she's not built for optimization, and it hurt. A lot. It would have been much better gameplay if I had waited til I outleveled the content (til 24 or SOs--I only IO at high levels, and sometimes not then), then exemped down. Having run through it, I wouldn't pay for it if it became pay-only. It's not that the effects aren't nice, and the story is ok, but it could be better. The setting gave more of an 'epic' feel then the storyline did. I simply wasn't convinced why this random Lost dude was suddenly interested in talking to me, nor was I convinced I should be helping him until the final mission, and even then, it was...sudden. I feel like there should be another mission in there that gives more depth, or rewrite the content so it has a bigger 'feel' then it does. Maybe a mission where you help on a Lost raid grabbing the contact? Or a mission arc before this one introducing the idea the Freedom Phalanx is in trouble, but that one is free to everyone, so it kind of explains what the heck is going on here, and gives incentive to explore this arc.
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It's downright terrible, actually.|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
It's your choice, $5 for two arcs isn't that bad imo.
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Think about it, the chaps paying for the arcs are the "Freemiums", right? Those of us who keep subscribing just get the content anyway. You want to entice those who wouldn't pay the subscription to put some cash in your game, as opposed to some other game.
Now, it's going to come in seven parts, at 5 bucks each. That's 35 total.
Open the Steam shop and see what you can get in the 5-35 bucks range.
Charging 5 bucks for having an extra three missions for your toons to run through when they level up is... Just no. If you want to make in appealing for the freemiums to put cash in your game, you're gonna have to offer a lot better value.
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ah, nice clarification *tips hat*
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
No, the ARC is known as Masterpiece. It's in the 40-45 section of Ouroboros.
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And it has a rather creepy looking contact.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
No, the ARC is known as Masterpiece. It's in the 40-45 section of Ouroboros.
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@Golden Girl
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they made this guy into a contact?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And it has a rather creepy looking contact.
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I'm less than impressed with it but being exemp'd to level 20 has nothing to do with that and, honestly, I think complaining about the exemplar/sidekick system is silly since that's one thing this game did that I wish many other MMOs did as it adds exceptional value to character life.
My dislike was 3 simple reasons:
#1. Too short.
#2. Too many story holes.
#3. Not memorable or inspiring to me, at all, especially compared to existing arcs, some of which are 5+ years old.
Both issue #2 and issue #3 could have been fixed simply by making the chain much longer, with more missions for a lead up backstory and then a follow through to the cutscene, thus also making issue #1 irrelevant.
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Hate it.
If I can't use Full Auto and spin the screen 360 degrees while the animation of Full Auto is playing it feels...wrong.
Hate it.
I haven't had a chance to do the mission(s) yet, but I'm not thrilled to hear that it Exemps you down to 20. I've never really liked the Exemping system. I'll tolerate it these days thanks to the improvements it's gone through, but I still hate losing abilities.
Personally, I've long thought that they should ditch levelled enemies altogether.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Even when I respec I take EX'ing into account, or at least I try to. There's a few characters I don't ever want to EX down with, but for the couple I consider my 'main' characters, I expect it- for reasons just like this one.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
You're acting like the entire concept of EX'ing is brand new. It's interesting to me that this idea really does still bother people that much. I guess if it does then you're going to have to be willing to miss various parts of this game. *shrugs*
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Frankly, I just turn down the level of difficulty and roll with it. I have a few friends who can't wrap their head around the concept of EX'ing but even then, I just can't find myself getting upset about it. It's part of the game. It's not like it's a surprise.
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I couldn't agree more.
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Snark aside (if there was any percieved in my last post) that's the way I see it.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Because the story takes place while you are at that level.
Remember that "time" is progressed in the game world through your levels. By setting the level of this arc at 20, it sets it firmly in the timeline of events that happen while you level. |
The gauge of 'timeline' in this game, such as it is, is level based. There have been folks that have pointed out in other threads that it levels up as the story progresses.
I have no doubt that the actual 'epic' finale is in the 50 range. The idea in design though, is that you've been running with these signature characters your entire carreer, and you know them. The level system is a way to represent that.
That's how I'm reading it at any rate.
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I couldn't agree more.
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That 15 a month is required to access the game in such a manner that I'd be willing to continue playing it. Whatever is included in it that I don't use is ... wasted, yes, but its' a waste I'm okay with because if I'm not subscribed, I'm not playing. Its' just how I am.|
Originally Posted by Tinier Bolt
By that logic, to be fair, you're "wasting" 7.50 a month paying for a sub for this game, since that money goes both red and blue side. You're technically "wasting" even more if you like playing grey side content. While you can avoid these arcs and that's not a problem, that's a silly argument to be making. If you're going to play these arcs multiple times, it doesn't matter whether or not it gives you access on one side or another, you're still using the money you spent.
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However! Some of my friends are intending to come back as premium.
And for them? They want the full value of their cash. This signature arc? One sig arc for the reward table is fine. Don't bother with the other ones because they'll share the reward table access.
The actual story bits? Meh. This one is too short, too fast and not detailed enough. There are gaps, some irritating mechanics (the first time that doesn't do anything; the second time that counts down the ambushes but is otherwise irrelevant) and an overall feel of being rushed for the sake of being rushed.
It reeks of "challenge". And so sets my teeth on edge.
The other ones may be better or may be worse, but this one has set the first impression that they all are going to suck. And its' going to be expensive to change my mind on that.
But, eh, who knows. They may still buy them anywise. Its' not like I'm paying for their game.
I believe one reason as to why its at level 20 is so that you are fighting Lost instead of Rikti. If you fight lost and some of them are level 30 or higher they automatically turn into rikti which for this arc would not make much sence.
Exemping down can be fun, but NOT at level 20. If you enjoy fighting as a level 20 you have a twisted sense of "fun".
It feels very unheroic, boring, limited...why not just level a man build if you want that type of "fun".
One person said they had no problem doing it on a defender..lol probably was a D2 (Dark/Dark Defender, who pick up the majority of their goodies before level 20).
fun is subjective, etc, yada yada, ad hominem, so on and so forth, quote the raven and all that good stuff.
I do want to see how my non-melee characters fair...
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Originally Posted by Flower
In my opinion it is good to take your character back down to the lower levels. With careful timing of when you take powers and managing your important set bonuses you can create characters that are quite powerful at any level. I find it a challenge to build a character that can level down and not feel gimped...
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Omega Zim - lvl 50 Rad/Dark/Power Defender, Alpha Zim - lvl 50 Tri-form Peacebringer
Theta Zim - lvl 50 Tri-form Warshade, Nightshade Zim - lvl 50 Dark/Dark/Psi Defender
Omicron Zim - lvl 50 Emp/Psi/Power Defender, Scrappy Joe - lvl 50 MA/SR Scrapper
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Then give another respec because if I see one more 20 bump down..lol.
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Originally Posted by Zimmy_Zim
This.
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*laughs* Indeed...I may not run at +4/x8 but the mobs taught me rather quickly that a run at my level 50 settings would not go as smoothly as usual at level 20. |
Originally Posted by Flower
Now you do have to adjust your difficulty settings a little, if you try to run +4/x8 at level 20 you probably won't like it very much
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Good point. Or, maybe they could look at other games in the same genre, many of which were recently added to steam, and see what $5 gets them in those. Hint: It's about one or two arcs' worth of content, if the F2P game is one that sells content packs. And those games do not all even offer a subscription option that is a far better deal, as CoH does. Seems to be working out pretty well for them!|
Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
It's downright terrible, actually.
Think about it, the chaps paying for the arcs are the "Freemiums", right? Those of us who keep subscribing just get the content anyway. You want to entice those who wouldn't pay the subscription to put some cash in your game, as opposed to some other game. Now, it's going to come in seven parts, at 5 bucks each. That's 35 total. Open the Steam shop and see what you can get in the 5-35 bucks range. Charging 5 bucks for having an extra three missions for your toons to run through when they level up is... Just no. If you want to make in appealing for the freemiums to put cash in your game, you're gonna have to offer a lot better value. |
That aside, it is amazing how entitled half the posters in this thread seem to feel. What, some of my set bonuses don't work on the new arc? The devs have done this to personally spite me in particular! Did you all pitch a fit when Sutter was released because you couldn't keep your level 47 and 49 powers on that? I hope so, or you'd look awfully silly right about now.
Nevermind that the very same people complaining about the level range or the arc's length would be complaining if the arc were just for highbies or if the missions were too long. Paragon studios just can't win on the forums, but I'm glad they still try because once again they've produced great content that the vast majority of players will enjoy.
I don't care if some of my set bonuses don't work. Unable to use the vast majority of powers is very boring.
When players feel that the epic feeling has been sapped (GDN, ED, etc) they will voice it because they are entitled to voice it as paying customers.
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Vast majority, eh?|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
I don't care if some of my set bonuses don't work. Unable to use the vast majority of powers is very boring.
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Exemplared to level 20, you have all the powers up to 25. That's half the level progression, and the levels after 30 don't even give you as many powers/level.
You have more than half your powers exemplared to level 20.
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