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Well I've had several but those got deleted. Exemping is part of the game system and works very well. By your logic we should skip the first 49 levels and go straight in to 50.
Actually, mid 30s works pretty well. By your logic, why not just level lock at 2 - after all, alternating those two underslotted attacks and brawl is loads of fun.

Lower levels have some semblance of a point when you are learning to use a characters, but once you're past that point, then ... well, you're past that point.


 

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And I'll again ask the basic question: Even if the "tech" as you say exists why -must- it be used in this case or any case? Why is it actually "wrong" to have some new content in this game that is not doable as a level 50?
Because a 50 is more powerful than a level 20, so should be able to accomplish anything a 20 should be able to. You've yet to give a reason a 50 should be gimped.


 

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Because a 50 is more powerful than a level 20, so should be able to accomplish anything a 20 should be able to. You've yet to give a reason a 50 should be gimped.
You've yet to give a rational reason why we shouldn't be able to choose to do less than level 50 content with our level 50 characters. Yes it may be a "fact" that level 50 characters are more powerful than level 20 ones. But that's not a REASON for why a level 50 character must always be run at level 50.


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I was going to make a long winded reply but heh... those who agree; agree and those who don't... don't.

Yes I could rebuild all my character who are more than level 20 to be effective at level 20. But for the sake of three missions? No chance, even if the following six arcs are for level 20s too.

If I decide to do a low level TF (note the TF) I am in the company of other people who help to make up the shortfalls in my own build. This is supposed to be a story arc (as in not a TF).

At 20 my level 40, dark/dark brute has no knock-back prot (slotted in CJ & first armour - both level 30 IOs) The pumicites even at 0/x3 (which I solo at normally) killed me twice in the second mission (I quit in disgust). I cannot heal while lying down.


 

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And I'll just say again that I ultimately see no reason why ALL game content must be geared towards level 50s.
Right, like the way every single new arc released in the last year has been geared toward 50s? Or how about that huge amount of content we've gotten lately that is geared toward level 30-49?


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If I decide to do a low level TF (note the TF) I am in the company of other people who help to make up the shortfalls in my own build. This is supposed to be a story arc (as in not a TF).
So take some friends on this with you.

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At 20 my level 40, dark/dark brute has no knock-back prot (slotted in CJ & first armour - both level 30 IOs) The pumicites even at 0/x3 (which I solo at normally) killed me twice in the second mission (I quit in disgust). I cannot heal while lying down.
That's entirely your fault. You could have slotted level 10 IOs or taken Acrobatics by that level. Or not run at x3. Again, as you said, it's not a TF; it's meant to be a soloable mission.

I wasn't surprised when I had to change my Bots/Traps difficulty from +3/x8 to +0/x1. Level 20 is a particularly bad time for a MM.


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If I decide to do a low level TF (note the TF) I am in the company of other people who help to make up the shortfalls in my own build. This is supposed to be a story arc (as in not a TF).
Just to be a tiny bit nit-picky this Signature Story Arc is actually just like the Ouroboros TFs in that they can either be run solo or as a pseudo-TF with a team of players.

If you think your "level 50 EX'd down to 20" is too gimp you can always do these things as a team.


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personally im very disapointed in exemping too, i want to run stuff at my toons lvl, not artificially lowering their lvl

the arc itself though i thought was very cool, and i really like being able to get alignment merits from it

i rather spend 15-30 min on 1 decent arc to get merit than 10+1 tip mishs over 2 days (extremely repetitive tip mishs too)


 

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Right, like the way every single new arc released in the last year has been geared toward 50s? Or how about that huge amount of content we've gotten lately that is geared toward level 30-49?
There's a range of content for all levels already. It's not like I have any say over what gets released when.

That's actually one of the many reasons why I try to make my level 50 characters effective at any level: there's really no guarantee what level ranges any new content is going to cover.


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I'm not actually going to judge the arc until I see the rest of it. It might turn out that the other 6 parts of this arc are equally less-than-stellar. But it's always possible that this thing, as a whole, might be pretty cool.

Happily I just leave my "feedback" on it to a time when it's more appropriate.
My impression was that each stage of the SSA would be something that would have to be purchased separately, but I'm not sure about that. If it is, then it might be more appropriate to review each stage separately as well. OTOH, if you pay one time to get all the SSA's, then I think it would be better to review them as a whole extended arc.


 

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My impression was that each stage of the SSA would be something that would have to be purchased separately, but I'm not sure about that. If it is, then it might be more appropriate to review each stage separately as well. OTOH, if you pay one time to get all the SSA's, then I think it would be better to review them as a whole extended arc.
We all know that if this thing turns out to be something that is forever sold individually as 7 separate parts then everyone will eventually figure out which parts are the "most worthwhile" and forget about the rest. For all we know this first of seven parts will be the worst of the seven.

I simply maintain that it's not worth judging this first part too harshly either way. *shrugs*


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I too was less than excited to find I was lvl 20 on my tank, but it's the nature of the beast. I get the sense that the SSAs are long stretches of time, like a season-long arc rather than a 2 part story. I can deal with that.

For those who say why must I exempt down- do you run the WTFs? This is the same deal. For the last few issues the content has been slanted almost exclusively to lvl 50, the pendulum is now shifting back the other way as it always will. These SSAs are geared more toward NEW VIPS, not us persay.

Personally I think the best function would be to apply the 'zone event' code to all the enemies in the SSA but I doubt that was possible within the timeframe of Beta.




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And I'll just say again that I ultimately see no reason why ALL game content must be geared towards level 50s.
Because the level cap is where everyone ends up. Lower levels are only transitory.


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Let me ask, that of the two scenarios I present, which is the more agreeable:

1) SSA as is. Exemp to 20, participate in the story, fight level 20 foes, earn rewards for fighting level 20s.

2) SSA without exemplaring. Stay level 50, participate in the story, wipe out level 20 foes, earn no rewards.


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For those who say why must I exempt down- do you run the WTFs?
Once on a 50 to get the notice, but then never again.

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This is the same deal.
And I didn't like it on the WTF either. And, remember, they changed the awarding of shards on exemplared content only after people complained about the WTF.

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Personally I think the best function would be to apply the 'zone event' code to all the enemies in the SSA but I doubt that was possible within the timeframe of Beta.
I agree, except for the beta timeframe thing. It should have been something that was considered and handled long before it got to the beta stage.


 

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We all know that if this thing turns out to be something that is forever sold individually as 7 separate parts then everyone will eventually figure out which parts are the "most worthwhile" and forget about the rest. For all we know this first of seven parts will be the worst of the seven.

I simply maintain that it's not worth judging this first part too harshly either way. *shrugs*
I would agree with you if they were selling all parts as one complete arc.

They aren't.

For something I might want to recommend to friends who will come in as a la carte free players, YES it IS something I need to review and let them know if it's worth getting when they ask. Would NOT be appropriate to tell them ask in 6 months.

YMMV.

EDIT: with that said I haven't played this. when I do I'll give a review. Will probably do it on a natural 20 toon as I hate exemping.


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It may not be the best arrangement for existing high-level characters, but I understand the approach as a method for inserting additional storylines into the game to work on as you level up*. Basically analogous to the HEAT or VEAT (well, or maybe just the HEAT) arcs. Every level range you get another mini-arc to progress an overarching story. Only instead of being gated behind AT status, they're gated by paid status (they could try the same with other constraints - Origin Arcs, for example).


* edit: This works better IMO once all of these are released. It's quite possible that my level 16 Ice/Time does the arc at 20, maybe even 25, but has outleveled the other installments by time they are released.


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It may not be the best arrangement for existing high-level characters, but I understand the approach as a method for inserting additional storylines into the game to work on as you level up. Basically analogous to the HEAT or VEAT (well, or maybe just the HEAT) arcs. Every level range you get another mini-arc to progress an overarching story. Only instead of being gated behind AT status, they're gated by paid status (they could try the same with other constraints - Origin Arcs, for example).
I don't mind that they are breaking them into sections by level.

I guess it was my misunderstanding, as when they first mentioned signature story arcs i assumed these would be for lvl 40-50.


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Those three little missions are worth $5 USD? Really?

So glad I'm staying VIP, because I wouldn't pay for such ... and I intend to recommend to others that they only buy one signature arc and then ignore the rest. The way the nice reward table is being restricted to one signature arc per week per character, with the icky reward table being given for every signature arc played afterwards that week ...

From a rewards perspective, buying more than one signature arc is a suckers deal that I will happily laugh at people for doing when they (inevitably) complain.

From a story-first or gotta-have-em-all perspective, it may not be as stupid.

*sighs*

I'm surprised they expect people to pay for this. To use the phrase, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." The first impression for this is "Wait. Dude. What?"


 

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At the very least, I know that mission 4 is in the 40-45 range (I found it in Ouro while filming my trailer - it's called "Masterpiece").

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I'm surprised they expect people to pay for this. To use the phrase, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." The first impression for this is "Wait. Dude. What?"
I absolutely adore the missions, myself. The first moment I walked in and saw the lava I literally gasped. I haven't had a moment like that in this game for a while.

And you're being slightly unfair to say it's only 3 missions for $5. You actually get six missions.

They put a lot of time and resources into these gorgeous missions. Writers, art people, and powers team were all involved here. Does it justify a $5 charge? I'm not sure. I can't really say that I'd pay the $5 or not, because I know I'm not dropping my subscription anytime in the next *checks watch* year and two months.


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They put a lot of time and resources into these gorgeous missions. Writers, art people, and powers team were all involved here.
An awful lot of people worked on Heaven's Gate, Ishtar, and Waterworld, too.


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I absolutely adore the missions, myself. The first moment I walked in and saw the lava I literally gasped. I haven't had a moment like that in this game for a while.
The lava is neat. The obelisk looked detailed (not that I had much time to look at it really).

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And you're being slightly unfair to say it's only 3 missions for $5. You actually get six missions.
Not everyone (and probably not even most) play both sides. For a good number of people, its' three missions. For me, its' three missions.

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They put a lot of time and resources into these gorgeous missions. Writers, art people, and powers team were all involved here. Does it justify a $5 charge? I'm not sure. I can't really say that I'd pay the $5 or not, because I know I'm not dropping my subscription anytime in the next *checks watch* year and two months.
I'm likewise staying VIP. I do know quite a few people coming back as premium, and given my impressions of this thing ... they are going to be advised not to bother with more than one signature arc story unless I know up front that they are story-first who will get a kick out of it or who are collectors who must have it all.


 

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I simply maintain that it's not worth judging this first part too harshly either way. *shrugs*
As the first in the series, it must be judged harshly. This is the "Pilot Episode" for the Signature Story Arcs. This is the one that needs to make a great impression. If people aren't blown away by it, they may never see the other installments due to lack of interest.


 

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An awful lot of people worked on Heaven's Gate, Ishtar, and Waterworld, too.
Did they charge any less admission at release than other movies in theaters at the time?


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