Less than impressed...
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Aliana Blue,
Posted on: 2011-09-21 08:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Most non-melee characters are in for a world of hurt lol.|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
fun is subjective, etc, yada yada, ad hominem, so on and so forth, quote the raven and all that good stuff.
I do want to see how my non-melee characters fair... |
On my stalker it was a breeze, but still boring.
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Oh sure, because Fire Blasters only use their snipe and Inferno.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Majority of powers worth using are beyond level 25 for clarification sake.
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Or did you mean the tanks that only take a self revival and godmode power?
Or the brutes/scrappers only survive based off of the last three powers of their secondary?
Do you even realize what you're saying?
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I've run the hero arc twice. Both times on a blaster, first time it took me twenty minutes as I read everything and took it slowly, second time it took me seven minutes. No deaths either time. I suspect I can break five minutes easily with favorable load times, cutscene included.
The rewards for the arcs are disproportionately huge and that right there offers added value that will broaden their appeal well beyond players who care much about the story.
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Someone states a dislike about exemping and you are here trying to prove their dislike wrong.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Oh sure, because Fire Blasters only use their snipe and Inferno.
Or did you mean the tanks that only take a self revival and godmode power? Or the brutes/scrappers only survive based off of the last three powers of their secondary? Do you even realize what you're saying? |
Do you realize what you are saying?
Level 20 (25) is beyond lame when you've been playing the character at 50 for years. Especially when you've been actively engaged in post-50 content for the past year+.
Your opinion is not greater than anyone elses. So stop trying to belittle those that find the exemping stupid.
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Incorrect. I'm pointing out obvious flaws in the logic used to justify his opinion.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Someone states a dislike about exemping and you are here trying to prove their dislike wrong.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Your opinion is not greater than anyone elses. So stop trying to belittle those that find the exemping stupid.
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Yes, your sense of fun is peculiar. Don't expect people to agree.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Oh sure, because Fire Blasters only use their snipe and Inferno.
Or did you mean the tanks that only take a self revival and godmode power? Or the brutes/scrappers only survive based off of the last three powers of their secondary? Do you even realize what you're saying? |
I ran the arc with my exemped down lvl 50 Ice/Ice Blaster. Made it through the first two missions before I even realized I had it set to +2/0 with bosses.
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No where have I mentioned my sense of fun. In discussion with you, I haven't even mentioned my preference to exemplaring.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Yes, your sense of fun is peculiar. Don't expect people to agree.
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I am simply saying that 1) the "vast majority of powers" are not granted to you above level 25 and 2) the majority of "powers worth using" are likewise not granted to you above level 25.
You don't have fun exemplaring, that much is obvious. I can't argue with fun. What I can point out, however, that your reasoning is flawed.
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It's is my opinion, you can't tell me my opinion is wrong. If you do so, you are projecting your opinion, hence you lose the high ground arguing about logic.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
No where have I mentioned my sense of fun. In discussion with you, I haven't even mentioned my preference to exemplaring.
I am simply saying that 1) the "vast majority of powers" are not granted to you above level 25 and 2) the majority of "powers worth using" are likewise not granted to you above level 25. You don't have fun exemplaring, that much is obvious. I can't argue with fun. What I can point out, however, that your reasoning is flawed. |
Logically there is a reason why some of the better powers come after 25, it is called game balance. Learn what that means.
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Good post.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Someone states a dislike about exemping and you are here trying to prove their dislike wrong.
Do you realize what you are saying? Level 20 (25) is beyond lame when you've been playing the character at 50 for years. Especially when you've been actively engaged in post-50 content for the past year+. Your opinion is not greater than anyone elses. So stop trying to belittle those that find the exemping stupid. |
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That's what I just said. Your opinion isn't wrong, I agree. The reasoning you used to reach that opinion, however, is flawed.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
It's is my opinion, you can't tell me my opinion is wrong.
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Let's see what you responded to...|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Incorrect. I'm pointing out obvious flaws in the logic used to justify his opinion.
Again, please don't twist my words. I'm not belittling anyone for the opinion. I'm pointing out terribly flawed logic and incorrect statements. |
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Exemping down to level 20 is outright boring. I rather level a man build 1-50 then put up with exemping down to 20.
Majority of powers worth using are beyond level 25 for clarification sake. |
They then say the majority of powers worth using are beyond level 25. You seem to pick 3 powersets that prove your point and somehow invalidate his.
I can do that too...
SS/ELa Brute: No Footstomp, No Energize, No Powersink and No Powersurge. That woudl SUCK for someone use to playing that character at 50.
Ice/Cold Corr: No Blizzard, No Sleet, no Heatloss and no Benumb.
That's just two examples. Remember, this does not include the loss of set bonuses or APP Powers.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm pointing out terribly flawed logic and incorrect statements.
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No that is my opinion. Opinions can't be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
That's what I just said. Your opinion isn't wrong, I agree. The reasoning you used to reach that opinion, however, is flawed.
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As my shop teacher was fond of saying "Opinions are like butts. Everyone has one and they all stink."
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This has caused any further sentences I read from Venture to be barred from actual thought.
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Originally Posted by Venture
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I ran the villain side arc with my Fire/Kin and it wasn't so bad. |
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Most non-melee characters are in for a world of hurt lol.
On my stalker it was a breeze, but still boring. |
Granted, having 3 vet reward attack powers made it a lot less painful.
Chain holding the EB was very amusing too >
And whatever else popped up wasn't anything an inspiration or two couldn't fix.
I have issues with the "arcs" in general, but the last mission didn't bother me much.
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While I patently agree that trying to argue the validity of an opinion is foolhardy, I really think you're overstating things with your second statement.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Someone states a dislike about exemping and you are here trying to prove their dislike wrong.
Do you realize what you are saying? Level 20 (25) is beyond lame when you've been playing the character at 50 for years. Especially when you've been actively engaged in post-50 content for the past year+. Your opinion is not greater than anyone elses. So stop trying to belittle those that find the exemping stupid. |
Honestly, there is not a full year's worth, or more, of level 50 content, even if one were to play extremely casually. There's no way someone could just be playing level 50 content, all the time, every day without going back and doing lower level content or playing an alt that is doing lower level content. I don't have concrete numbers, but if you take everything that is 50+, I would guesstimate it to be 5% or less of the total content of the game. So, naturally, new content is likely to be grouped into the game where the the majority of the current content lies, sub-50, for better or for worse.
That said, if someone dislikes exemping, that's their prerogative but this game has relied on it for years to extend character life at 50 so I really can't understand why people would complain about it now.
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And that is not a point I even attempted to refute.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
This poster states exemping down to 20 (25) is outright boring. Can't refute that since you are not this poster.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
They then say the majority of powers worth using are beyond level 25. You seem to pick 3 powersets that prove your point and somehow invalidate his.
I can do that too... SS/ELa Brute: No Footstomp, No Energize, No Powersink and No Powersurge. That woudl SUCK for someone use to playing that character at 50. Ice/Cold Corr: No Blizzard, No Sleet, no Heatloss and no Benumb. That's just two examples. Remember, this does not include the loss of set bonuses or APP Powers. |
Ice/Cold Corruptor: I'll bet he makes heavy use of Ice Blast, Frost Breath, Aim, Freeze Ray, Ice Storm, Bitter Ice Blast, Infrigerdate, Snow Storm, and Arctic Fog. Again, I've listed a majority of the powers mentioned so far.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I sure did.
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Irrelevant. What's important is that I've been playing with Footstomp, Energize, Powersink and Powersurge for 2+ years. Exemping down is a pain in the *** now. You are also assuming I took the majority of those powers in order. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Then let's play with your examples. That SS/ELA brute relies on at least Rage, KO Blow, Haymaker, Charged Armor, Lightning Field, Conductive Field, and Lightning Reflexes. That's a majority of the powers mentioned so far.
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You are far more assumptions going for your 'argument' than I do. Hmm.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Ice/Cold Corruptor: I'll bet he makes heavy use of Ice Blast, Frost Breath, Aim, Freeze Ray, Ice Storm, Bitter Ice Blast, Infrigerdate, Snow Storm, and Arctic Fog. Again, I've listed a majority of the powers mentioned so far.
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You are also trying to place personal opinion over others. These powers pale in comparison to the effectiveness of Sleet and Heat Loss.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Nice try. Would you like to keep playing?
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No no no, you're bringing a different argument around here. I simply replied to a statement that said "the majority of powers worth using are after 25."|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Irrelevant. What's important is that I've been playing with Footstomp, Energize, Powersink and Powersurge for 2+ years. Exemping down is a pain in the *** now. You are also assuming I took the majority of those powers in order.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Certainly. Let me know when you start.
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It would be nice if these arcs for sale scaled to your level like the events.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I'm glad the arc is set to levels 10-20. Most of my characters are NOT level 50, and I like that I can use most of them to play this arc.
The first time I played it, I did it with a level 50 hero. It was fun.
The second time I played it, I used a level 12 villain. It was still fun, AND I gained some decent EXP from it.
I'm actually kind of sad to hear that the levels of the later parts of the story are going to be higher. Each jump in levels means I have fewer choices on who to play it with.
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Exemplared to level 20, you have all the powers up to 25. That's half the level progression, and the levels after 30 don't even give you as many powers/level.
You have more than half your powers exemplared to level 20.
Majority of powers worth using are beyond level 25 for clarification sake.