Reward Points Problem


Aggelakis

 

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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...84#post3869484

Right. So, there goes any reasonable hope in hell I have of getting the three Celestial rewards before they 'rotate' out.

I get that there are technical problems. Nothing can be done about that, and I'm not stupid/immature enough to rant about stuff that is out of the Devs hands.

HOWEVER;

Celestial being locked away behind Tier 9 AND a time limit is just...well, the words I would pick would be censored anyway.

So, we can be about 99.9% sure those parts won't be available on the Market. Why?
I've seen them trumpeted about and even commented on in the Art threads (sorry David) as 'Hey, we do have energy wings!' 'Hey, we do have some cool looking glowy/medieval armour!'
All I have to do is buy the pack-
Owait.

How's about I get to CHOOSE (the whole damn tagline of Freedom) that stuff? Heck, I'll even give back the damn Greek letters I never, ever use or the Prestige Sprints which I've never claimed after the one time I did and realised what a total bloody mess it made of my mains powers window/enhancement window.

I was gonna be willing to pay for that stuff, and now I can't even have the humorous 'Shut up and take my damn money' image. Because I can't get that stuff. It's even worse than the damn 'Oh, you can't have that until 50, because it would be a disservice to the art team' Ascension armour and it's stupid merits costs, because that's just time and boredom gated. It won't go POOF! in some arbitrary length of time, like the Celestial stuff will!

Feh...that DID end up a rant. Oh well.
Colour me very damn annoyed. Not a feeling one usually associates with not-giving other people money...

(At least Freedom will roll in tomorrow, and hey, discount on Beam Rifle. I love Beam Rifle. Like, *love* Beam Rifle.)


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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...84#post3869484

Right. So, there goes any reasonable hope in hell I have of getting the three Celestial rewards before they 'rotate' out.

While a far from ideal solution, and depends on how far off you are on tokens, but is paying for some extra points on the market an option?


 

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I'm at the end/near end of tier 7.
So, that's an entire tier and then 3 more for all the Celestial stuff. I don't know how much that would work out to...

Fingers crossed it won't be too much. Because I'll be damned if I let that shiny armour get away from me


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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well, my best guess is that the use of the term "rotate" means that if they are gone, they will be back. I find it even more likely that they will bring them back given the unplanned nature of this problem, they know people want them, they know they cant get them, so they will likely rotate them back quickly for those affected. might not hurt to remind them once the problem is fixed.


 

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Those "some extra" points would be a lot.

While the announcement is somewhat disappointing (especially if you are someone who was fully planning to grab a new longterm subscription in order to get into Tier 9 ASAP, such as TechBot), and I'm sure the Team is disappointed as well... It's still, pretty much, the same disappointing place that it was before we thought we could get there through prepaid subscription.

I can't even think about that Celestial Armor stuff, because it is over a year away from my grasp and I'm not into dwelling on such a thing.
I think it stinks that 1) such a fancy set is that far off and 2) that they plan on rotating these things in and out and... quite honestly, the ability to get enough tokens in advance never removed my negative assessment of that entire plan.

I'll live. I've not really posted much about my disappointment of that... I just don't agree with it (for whatever tiny, measly amount of significance that has to do with the big picture!).

I give a thumbs down to the entire scenario.


@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"
-Dylan

 

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I too would like a comment on this. While I am willing to pay the money to advance into tier 9 (only $30 for me) some of my persistent teammates will not be able to. It is a simple question. How will a player obtain these once they rotate out? Store purchase, wait, or not at all?

I also dislike that all three are part of one costume set, so a player could potentially get some but not all of the set.


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@sermon
One of Six, Cannibal 6

 

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Oh. My. [beep]ing. Gods.

... I do imagine that this isn't going to go over very well at all once people start noticing this. One hopes they overcome the difficulty and make it so. (They probably won't. Shiny Penny Syndrome. Why fix broken stuff when you can make something new instead? *sighs*)

I'm going to have to think about this.

Hmm.


 

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Firstly,

I am sorry to have been the one to disappoint you Techbot. I know that you've been looking forward to this particular aspect, as have many players. When I got the news on Friday, my heart sank a little bit .

Silver lining: The costume parts will be available for a decent amount of time before they rotate out. We will be certain to give heads up before we rotate Tier 9 VIP Rewards out for new ones so that players have the opportunity to make any appropriate purchases to reach tier 9, if they so choose to.

-Z


Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

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buying the 8000 point pack ($100) it gives you 8 reward tokens

iirc i think to completely fill tier 7 or 8 it required about 8 tokens

so if you were right about where you were starting tier 8, then you would need about 10 tokens or so which is around $130-145 just to buy it outright


 

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Firstly,

I am sorry to have been the one to disappoint you Techbot. I know that you've been looking forward to this particular aspect, as have many players. When I got the news on Friday, my heart sank a little bit .

Silver lining: The costume parts will be available for a decent amount of time before they rotate out. We will be certain to give heads up before we rotate Tier 9 VIP Rewards out for new ones so that players have the opportunity to make any appropriate purchases to reach tier 9, if they so choose to.

-Z
I understand that technical problems are just that, and often pretty horrible.

That said, I still find the teams decisions to say 'Hey, we made energy wings!'...and THEN lock them away behind a distant VIP only Veterans rewards (a choice, might I add, that was said would never happen, as the team *supposedly* didn't want to put meaningful stuff behind hard to achieve Vet rewards. The ONLY set of energy wings in the game might not be meaningful to a Min/maxer, but it's damn meaningful to those who care more about characters and costumes) to be somewhat...well..bad, frankly.

I'll have to see how much it'll take/cost to get me to the VIP tier 9.
Question; Do you have to ALSO get the Tier 9 rewards BEFORE the VIP tier 9, or are they all part of the same tier? The stacking of them confused me.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Firstly,

I am sorry to have been the one to disappoint you Techbot. I know that you've been looking forward to this particular aspect, as have many players. When I got the news on Friday, my heart sank a little bit .

Silver lining: The costume parts will be available for a decent amount of time before they rotate out. We will be certain to give heads up before we rotate Tier 9 VIP Rewards out for new ones so that players have the opportunity to make any appropriate purchases to reach tier 9, if they so choose to.

-Z
This still doesn't answer how they will be available once they rotate out for those who definitely will miss them. Will they rotate back eventually or become a store item?

Also, the items need to be in the rewards tree a minimum of three months at a time for those who are planning on using reward tokens from their subscription alone to get them (without having to constantly supplement with paragon point purchases).


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@sermon
One of Six, Cannibal 6

 

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We were informed that we would see the benefits of our VIP status up front if we paid forward. I subscribed for an additional year specifically so I could get the benefits of a maxed out PR tree. And now you tell us we will not get this. Since I wanted the Celestial stuff, I, like others in this thread, will never see it now, as I will have to wait a year to get my tokens to fill the tree, instead of up front.

<- Unhappy.


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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
so if you were right about where you were starting tier 8, then you would need about 10 tokens or so which is around $130-145 just to buy it outright
£82-£91 then. I can't really afford that much in one lump sum, certainly not for points rather than game-time.

Edit: Just to add, this is not annoyance at the Reward-rate/system itself. This is a dislike of *specifically* the Celestial stuff being gated in such a way, a way that I have not approved of since the day it was announced. Especially not for a set that has unique stuff like energy wings in, which players have been begging for for YEARS.

Also; nothing aimed at Zwill. He's cool, yo


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch View Post
We were informed that we would see the benefits of our VIP status up front if we paid forward. I subscribed for an additional year specifically so I could get the benefits of a maxed out PR tree. And now you tell us we will not get this. Since I wanted the Celestial stuff, I, like others in this thread, will never see it now, as I will have to wait a year to get my tokens to fill the tree, instead of up front.

<- Unhappy.
While the possibility was hinted at, they never confirmed it would work one way or another (to my recollection).


Sermon
@sermon
One of Six, Cannibal 6

 

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Glad I read this post before tomorrow. 12-months was going to be my first purchase, but that's changed now.

I feel for your disappointment, but thanks for the heads up.


 

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Firstly,

I am sorry to have been the one to disappoint you Techbot. I know that you've been looking forward to this particular aspect, as have many players. When I got the news on Friday, my heart sank a little bit .

Silver lining: The costume parts will be available for a decent amount of time before they rotate out. We will be certain to give heads up before we rotate Tier 9 VIP Rewards out for new ones so that players have the opportunity to make any appropriate purchases to reach tier 9, if they so choose to.

-Z
So we give you all are money for paragon points up front you give us all are tokens, but if we give you all are money up front and it's for a sub we have to wait for are tokens, huh?
What happened to VIP number 1 priority?

You know I was really really excited for Freedom but honestly everything I've been reading and everything you guys have been saying and everything I've seen first hand it's leaving an awfully sour taste in my mouth. This is from someone who plays multiple free to play, sub hybrid games and thinks they are the next gen for online gaming.


 

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I certainly does suck when tech issues get in the way of getting what you want, like Tokens or even logging into the game due to unfortunate server maintenance.

I use to pay in 12 month increments (6 months currently) but will be month-to-month now.


 

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Originally Posted by rsclark View Post
Glad I read this post before tomorrow. 12-months was going to be my first purchase, but that's changed now.

I feel for your disappointment, but thanks for the heads up.
That was the joint purpose of this thread, make sure people were aware

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So we give you all are money for paragon points up front you give us all are tokens, but if we give you all are money up front and it's for a sub we have to wait for are tokens, huh?
What happened to VIP number 1 priority?

You know I was really really excited for Freedom but honestly everything I've been reading and everything you guys have been saying and everything I've seen first hand it's leaving an awfully sour taste in my mouth. This is from someone who plays multiple free to play, sub hybrid games and thinks they are the next gen for online gaming.
The Devs wanted and still want to give us Reward Points up front.

Unfortunately the technical side of that system seems to be playing host to the spirit of a departed Villain, and doesn't want to play nice.


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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I advise you not to spend a bunch of money for points to get these rewards. They may go but they will come back. And if the game isn't around in a year for you to get this stuff, why bother anyway?


 

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Originally Posted by Lucky666 View Post
So we give you all are money for paragon points up front you give us all are tokens, but if we give you all are money up front and it's for a sub we have to wait for are tokens, huh?
What happened to VIP number 1 priority?
Technical issues happened. Technical issues that they've said they hope to try and resolve. It's likely something to do with how they're dolled out by the Subscription system and tying to get that to work that is causing the issues.

If you give them money up front for the tokens though, you can make considerable savings on your monthly fees. Which is then money you could spend on Paragon Points or coffee or books.

It does suck, and here's hoping for a tech resolution to enable them to work in the way you were intending.


 

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Here's a great solution!!

Make all current VIPs transfer over with enough Tokens to reach Tier 9!

Happiness abound!

What? You don't want me to be happy? Fine! Have a nice day!


@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"
-Dylan

 

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
Here's a great solution!!

Make all current VIPs transfer over with enough Tokens to reach Tier 9!

Happiness abound!

What? You don't want me to be happy? Fine! Have a nice day!
Hell, I'd just be happy if they put the full Celestial kit into one pack that could be bought for points. Make it a limited offer...or not?

I honestly do not approve of such cool kit being limited solely by time. I'm a Veteran, sure...but I'd like *everyone* to have a shot at the cool equipment. This is City of Heroes and Villains, not WoW; looking good and having great characters is what we are best at and should *remain* best at.

It's not like it gives +1 to Spider Poking or anything.


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Question; Do you have to ALSO get the Tier 9 rewards BEFORE the VIP tier 9, or are they all part of the same tier? The stacking of them confused me.
No, you can skip the Tier 9 consumables for the Tier 9 VIP options.




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There is no reason access to costume pieces should ever have a time-limited availability in this game.


Sermon
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One of Six, Cannibal 6

 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
No, you can skip the Tier 9 consumables for the Tier 9 VIP options.
Aha, excelllent. So Tier 8 + 3 slots then...

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There is no reason access should costume pieces should ever have a time-limited availability in this game.
Agreed. VERY agreed.


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.