Reward Points Problem

it's not complicated, trust me

but if you're a 87 month vet already...I think you'll get all the 9 Tiers

They then wait for them to rotate back in.

With everything they've been certain about one day, then pulled an about-face the next day ... I have no confidence that this will be true. Its' true now, but will it be true then?

Not really. It's pretty simple.
Step 1: You get 1 (one) Reward Token for every Veteran Badge you currently have.

Step 2: You get 1 (one) Reward Token for every month subscribed from here on out AND 1 (one) for every year subscribed from here on out.

Step 3: Apply those Tokens in-game to the Paragon Rewards. As you fill each "tier" (which range in size from 1 up to, I think, 7) you will also get certain bonuses. For example, filling tier 5 unlocks Controllers and Masterminds permanently for your account.

And that's it.

Problem solved. If you can't get them no you can just get them later.

This. Exactly this.

After this business with the reward tokens, it'll be a long time (if ever-) before I take anything else we're told by the community team as the absolute truth. It doesn't matter if it's intentional misdirection or just a breakdown in communication between them and the devs... The result is exactly the same in either case.

I've learned my lesson. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Except there is no other way to get these pieces.

I find that unacceptable. Especially when those are the ONLY energy wings in the entire damn game.

Some people may not give two hoots about costumes and the like. There are those of us that do. And to have such parts locked behind the very last, top tier of the rewards program is objectionable and a jerk move. It was when they first announced it, and it still is now.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Okay, I see how simple that is.

I get one Reward Token for every Veteran Badge, which is every three months, except some months come with extra badges which used to be Veteran Rewards but are now things I have to purchase except on characters which already have claimed them which made the badges go away unless they still count except for the ones that don't and never did.

Meanwhile, neither the Reward Token nor the Veteran Rewards should be confused with Reward Merits. The Tokens are used in the Market, not the in-game market but the market I'll find somewhere once I'm in the game but not yet in the game. Reward Merits are used by Merit Vendors, but vendors are not markets and have nothing to do with veterans. Probably. They're also in-game, meaning inside the in-game part of the game, not in the not yet in-game game where the Market is (unless you're looking for the in-in-game market).

Then I apply these Tokens -- the Reward Tokens, of which I should have approximately one for every Veteran Badge I own if they count and haven't been claimed, to re-buy Tiered abilities that I may already have claimed. Each Tier costs from 1 to 7 Tokens and may unlock things that I already have, unless all my controllers have suddenly vaporized because hey, that's what controllers sometimes do.

Once I've re-purchased everything I already had, or maybe still have, I can then buy higher Tiers that nobody yet has because this is the first chance anyone has had to shop at the out-game in-game Not-Veteran Reward Not-Merit Token Market (not-market).

Right, got it. Clear as mud. Thanks for helping.

(Note: This should be taken as a good approximation of how newbies will see this system. Except that I'm a lot more knowledgable than a newbie.)

As an approximation, it's a very bad one. You're including a lot of unnecessary information that a newbie would not know.

As a newbie, you wouldn't know about Veteran Rewards, Vet Badges, Claiming the reward in your Badge menu, etc. All a newbie would know is that you get a Reward Token for subscribing and/or paying X dollars in the store. Which is all you really need to know.


However, to address the rest of this information you're getting hung up on:
No they didn't. Veteran Badges only come with 1 (one) actual badge. The other markers were just to claim the rewards. They were not badges.


You're not purchasing so much as unlocking. PR claims are global and affect all your characters. Even the ones you haven't made yet. It's like claiming them from your badge menu for everyone at the same time.


No they are not.
Reward Tokens are used ONLY in the Paragon Rewards program. They are not used for the in-game market (Wents/Black Market) which uses INF nor the Market which uses real-world currency.


The Paragon Rewards Program will be displayed on your screen immediately once you get in game. You can choose to hide it afterwards from the Game Options menu.


As a VIP, you'll already have access to almost everything the Paragon Rewards Tier Bonuses will grant. The major benefit is for if/when you decide to go Premium and stop paying for your VIP access.

Not exactly accurate - we now receive a badge for each year of subscription - so the 12, 24, 36, 48, etc. Month badges will give us 2 badges when we log in (and one Token for each of said 2 badges).

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

What was said was completely accurate- The poster being quoted in the previous post was saying that before Freedom, Vets would receive Vet Badges that were multiple badges. This is incorrect, he's referencing claiming buttons which just have the same badge graphic for the one they're in. The post you're quoting is correcting that- There were not multiple veteran badges in any one month of subscription before Freedom.

If I understand this, my characters with the Sands of Mu veteran power have unlocked it, but they won't be able to use it until I purchase it from the PR market. So I should expect a lot of grayed-out icons the next time I log in.

That's good info, but it leads to more confusion. I thought the PR program and the out-game Market were the same thing. Now apparently there is not only the in-game market and the out-game Market, there is also an in-game PR 'market'. I wonder if it ever occured to our devs that they might profit by consolidating this. Or anything, ever.

Didn't log in last night. Too busy. Might do so tonight, although I'm seeing reports on this forum that the dust hasn't settled yet from the big change.

Usually good business moves are jerky ideas. From a business stand point its a great idea. People see the new shiny and actually have a chance to get it right now, unlike the old system.

Think about how many people, just yesterday, bought 10's of thousands of points just to get tier 9. In the long run this was a good idea for the games longevity. The more cool stuff they keep throwing in those slots the more people are going to throw money at them trying to get to that VIP status. Even if its just 15 per month for 1 extra token to help them get to VIP that much faster. If they put it up for sale people wont dish out the cash to get to VIP as fast.

Its a good move for the game any way you look at it. You can moan and complain about it until your teeth fall out and it probably wont matter. This whole award system was to improve the game and make it thrive, not to complete peoples wardrobes.

You see, a costume piece or two isn't worth a single lump sum of £300 (what I'd have to pay to get to tier 9). Especially when we're already subscribing. As we don't get tokens all at once for multi-month sub plans it'll take around two years for me to get there.

I'd gladly buy a version of Celestial armour from the store that didn't have the glow-tech in it, leaving that as a special perk for tier 9 VIPs.

Add me to the list of angry people who purchased a year's sub based on what they told us.

I don't care how it affects your "information-hungry" mind. I'm livid, and I have every right to be.

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

First, let me make it clear that I am not saying that what I say IS happening or WILL necessarily be the case or any such overwhelmingly negative thing...

While you may be correct, there is also a flip side to any such business move. And that is turning people off. That can be detrimental to the game/business.
There's always a balance... and there's always a line that may sway that balance one way or the other.

I don't think this aspect alone will create such a large amount of turn-off, however, extreme overpricing and a continued vibe that makes some subscribers feel negatively (due to feeling scammed, unappreciated, under-budgeted, etc.) could send this business model spiraling down.
Again, I am not crying doom nor making predictions of doom!! The facts are that the results are unknown. We'll see how they do and how the public responds!

I do hope for the best for Paragon Studios and CoH, so don't think I don't!!

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