Freedom? Hardly

Wouldn't buying a box also give a month or forum rage at a much more competitive price?

So you ranted and overreacted to your friends on the phone. Then asked a crazy question. Then your friends nervously laughed at the situation because they had no other recourse on how to exit the conversation. And then you laughed, too, because, as we already established, crazy.

The Freedom sale didn't start until August 22nd - the details of the new hybrid payment model were relased on June 21st

Where did I say anything about how much it would cost? I merely said he'll have to resub if he wants to post on the forums when he returns.

But since you brought it up, buying a box is dependent on what editions he already has unlocked and what's available. He won't be able to stack copies of the same edition.

That's assuming the whole story about his friends is true. It wouldn't be the first time someone nerdraging embellished the truth in an attempt to make his meaningless I'm quitting post seem more serious.

It's a common misconception that Freedom was designed purely to showcase the game to promote subscription. If that was the case, there would be no need for reward levels. It's clear that Freedom is designed to allow the players who have paid most over time to gracefully degrade to Premium, getting many of the features for free. A player at the highest tier is getting a full game for free, equivalent to what was available before Going Rogue, which IMO is unheard of in F2P games.

Be honest, you don't actually believe this will happen, you just wanted to say "Socially Conscientious Zygote".

Except you know, Premiumns, no matter what 'tier' they are in, will not EVER get the following:

1) Incarnate content. Both in powers, and access to itrials.
2) the Tier 9 VIP tier, which includes awesome looking armors, and 150 extra PP a month
3) Any other VIP only content (which i think is just limited /time right now? Don't VIPs get /time for free, but premiunms, have to pay to have access to it?)


So yeah.. your totally right, except when your not. which is right now.

'Twas a cheap plug for my future band, Socially Conscientious Zygote.

If they had forum avatars, they might be cel-shaded

Yes to #3.

But notice, he said the game prior to Going Rogue, therefore your points are moot

Eh, only point 1 would be moot. and my main point was that no matter how high up the premium players go, VIPs will always get more.

You got the tier 9 rewards,150 PP/month, and /time before Going Rogue?

If you want to argue that VIPs get a non-trivial amount more than Premiums and so is still worthwhile (and I'd agree) - pointing out that while high-tier Premiums do get a really good deal, that doesn't diminish the extra that VIPs still get - then fair enough, but doing so by stating a post is plain wrong when it's actually pretty much correct doesn't really help the argument.

And the devs have flat out stated many times that that is exactly what they intended to accomplish. The goal of Freedom is to reward subscribers and entice free and premium players to become subscribers, because VIP's get more.

If players don't want to subscribe well they can still stick around but they'll get less. Unlike before when they were cut off completely.

Yes, i know, that is exactly what i'm saying. VIPs will always get more. so trying to say that the dev's idea is to make everyone premium is just flat out wrong (thats my point)

Now, I have no problem jumping all over the 'Ragequitters' as I have before. Theres the door and all that jazz. You know what though? This isn't ragequitting... This isn't even 'whining' This is a problem, plain and simple. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to accept it.

This poster, played for a bit years ago and then left for unstated reasons. They heard about Freedom and wanted to come back, bringing a handful of friends (or hyperbole) with them!
Once they came back they remembered the fun, they got their friends hooked and were all excited about pumping money into the store for 'goodies' ala most F2P.

They then found out about the tier structure, realized they'd end up spending all their 'Goodies' money on features of the game, thus leaving them unable to buy the extras... The extra's that attracted them back to start with and decided to cut their losses ahead of time.

Then they come here and calmly spell out why, in a thread asking for feedback on this issue.
Do we offer up alternatives?
Do we inform them about how simple and cheap it is to get the features they'd be missing?
No, we kick them in the teeth and say good day. /Facepalm.

NOW. That said, let me point out the real problem here. Perception.

However wrong Fetus was is irrelevant, the fact is he brings to light a serious issue. Perception could very well kill this whole endeavor before it even has a chance.

Look, this was a returning player, the very kind that Freedom is designed to appeal to. Get them back with the lure of F2P and then they'll be rehooked and subbing. That is the desired goal. Focusing on Subs will be the mandate, I have no doubt. That also means PS is wanting to convert as many premiums into ViP's as possible. In fact, this has to happen.

Sadly, perception could very well stall the whole effort. It doesn't matter what Paragon Studio's calls it, it doesn't matter that we have a mountain of evidence that this is NOT F2P. All that matters is the returning premiums, the new players coming on for free...

They all have the misconception of what F2P means. Since every single outlet that covers this is going to brand it as F2P and not hybrid, they will come in droves, wallet in hand to buy some bling. When they quickly realize they'll be spending all their cash on missing features instead of bling, it's bye bye birdie.

Why should you care? You're here aren't you?

If Freedom fails it's very possibly game over within 2 years. Freedom needs to generate more $ than we are currently getting through Subs. The hope is to achieve this by converting Prems into Vip's and Freebers into Prem's.

I'm not advocating for a change, I'm not saying Fetus was right. I'm saying we need to 'open our eyes' and stop jumping down every negative post like it's the 2nd coming of Twixt and realize that maybe, just maybe, they have a legitimate concern.

When CoV launched, even if you already had CoH you still needed a CoV retail code to be able to play Villain content and access bases. Somewhere around a year later, the games were merged so that even if as a subscriber you had only applied a retail CoH code, you had access to CoV content.

Similarly, when I21 launches, GR is being merged into the game for subscribers. A retail code of GR was required to access Incarnate content. Now that expansion is being merged into CoH for subscribers just as CoV was. Technically, the requirement for GR is now met since it is part of the game for subscribers. GR access is purchasable for Premium and Free players.

I understand that.

I just find it amusing that Incarnate access is part of GR when it suits the Devs. Post Freedom, it is no longer considered part of GR, as if it were then surely non subscribers who had bought GR would have access.