Pay to access per month (barring having a high enough vet level for it to be free). All IOs stop working entirely without access/VIP
So a fully IO'd out character will suddenly start playing as if no enhancements are slotted?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So a fully IO'd out character will suddenly start playing as if no enhancements are slotted?
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Unless the pricing changes, you'd be looking at approximately $2 per month (in the Paragon Market) to access the invention system so you could use your IOs. You'd need 27 reward tokens to unlock lifetime access to the invention system.
Okay.
Is 69 months of vet rewards enough to give me 27 tokens?
That sucks for my friends who just started though.
Probably not good incentive to get players returning as Premium accounts if their characters are dependant on IOs to function properly (like a couple of mine are)
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According to here: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Paragon_Rewards, yes. 69 months will get you at least 28 tokens.
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Not saying I approve of the decision, just making the observation that $2 bucks a month is a lot better than $15 if money for a sub is an issue.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Okay.
Is 69 months of vet rewards enough to give me 27 tokens? That sucks for my friends who just started though. Probably not good incentive to get players returning as Premium accounts if their characters are dependant on IOs to function properly (like a couple of mine are) |
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I'm sorry. I'm dense. I'm obtuse. I'm lazy. But where is this information found? |
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Yup.
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My understanding was that if you let your sub lapse and go to free to play you could no longer do certain parts of the game, like Praetoria and Incarnate stuff. How'd I miss this part about IOs being null and void?
A level 50(+1) toon with a set of Oblits in burn would be like a level 50 with nothing in burn?
I'm not enjoying that one bit. I've already paid for that stuff - (in WW). And my understanding is that Wentworth's is off limits, too.
As soon as I confirm this, I'll respec that toon and get those IOs out, at least as many as I can.
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@Ukase
It is also important to note that while it is $2 a month (depending on final pricing) for an IO license it is NOT a subscription (for those people who have some special abhorrence for subscriptions. You would have to buy $15 worth of points (if that is lowest purchase you can make) and then you would have enough points for seven months worth of IOing (and you would also get a Reward token as well.)
This option may be quite advantageous to your friends with the new $1.99 account. Having purchased the 'box' albeit at a greatly reduced price, they will get the premium status and one Reward token for the box which will get them level 2 status and the level two unlocks including supergroup access, supergroup and tell channels, etc.
But by buying even one more set of $15 of Paragon Points allows you another token which can be used to unlock the first vet weapon choice (Sands of Mu or Ghost Slaying Axe). To me that is a great QoL improvement. :-) Unfortunately it would take another $30 (either two months sub, or more PP's) to fully unlock global channels and such, but its a thought too.
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Yea your oblits would be worthless and not function while you are premium. BUT before you strip them out of your build, you need to ask yourself some quick questions. |
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
I'm sorry. I'm dense. I'm obtuse. I'm lazy. But where is this information found?
My understanding was that if you let your sub lapse and go to free to play you could no longer do certain parts of the game, like Praetoria and Incarnate stuff. How'd I miss this part about IOs being null and void? A level 50(+1) toon with a set of Oblits in burn would be like a level 50 with nothing in burn? I'm not enjoying that one bit. I've already paid for that stuff - (in WW). And my understanding is that Wentworth's is off limits, too. As soon as I confirm this, I'll respec that toon and get those IOs out, at least as many as I can. |
The most important is "Are you permanently downgrading to premium status?" If you are planning on going back and forth between premium and VIP as $$ allows, then do not take them out. Remember we HAVE A SECOND BUILD that you can use. Make a second build of all SO's so you can keep your IO build around for when you return to VIP status.
Now if you know you are going premium forever, then you can get those Oblits out and sell them before I21 hits to get the $$ back for them. But ONLY if you plan to never need them again (i.e. future VIP status).
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
I'm sorry. I'm dense. I'm obtuse. I'm lazy. But where is this information found?
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Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
To clarify: *Any* IO becomes disabled if you do not have a license or a VIP subscription, you may unslot the enhancement or replace it with a usable enhancement of your choice. It will not be deleted, it will simply become non-functional.
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And judging from forum registration dates, you've been around longer than Claws. If he's got a permanent IO license, and you've been subbed the whole time since you registered, then you've got nothing to worry about.
@Roderick
This is an issue that they should really work on if they want returning players. I could understand and accept not being able to add anymore inventions, but those that were made and slotted before freedom or while VIP usually required much thought, time, and resources. Without them, many previously made characters will be unplayable unless you buy many non IO's, which will take even more INF, which may be scarce at premium.
An alternative to respecing that someone suggested to me was having a non IO second (or third) build to use in those hard times when downgrading to premium. If or when you start up your subscription again, you'll still have those IO sets. Assuming you have another build free.
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the premium player....is basically screwed. you get to keep those crappy vet rewards...woo hoo!, but pretty much after that you get squat!
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If you've been around long enough, you get much of the game unlocked. Pretty damn good deal for free, I would say!
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
the premium player....is basically screwed. you get to keep those crappy vet rewards...woo hoo!, but pretty much after that you get squat!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Are you reading this thread or some other thread? You can drop to Premium and spend the equivalent of $2 a month to have access to IOs and still play almost all of the game's content. You don't even have to pay the $2 a month if you have enough vet badges. How in any vaguely sane world is that being screwed?
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
the premium player....is basically screwed. you get to keep those crappy vet rewards...woo hoo!, but pretty much after that you get squat!
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This situation also brings a good argument for the devs to give us a few more alternate builds per character, for people who may go from VIP to Premium and back frequently.|
Originally Posted by Beltor
This is an issue that they should really work on if they want returning players. I could understand and accept not being able to add anymore inventions, but those that were made and slotted before freedom or while VIP usually required much thought, time, and resources. Without them, many previously made characters will be unplayable unless you buy many non IO's, which will take even more INF, which may be scarce at premium.
An alternative to respecing that someone suggested to me was having a non IO second (or third) build to use in those hard times when downgrading to premium. If or when you start up your subscription again, you'll still have those IO sets. Assuming you have another build free. |
Maybe as an alternative we should talk the devs into unlockin the IOs base numbers, but not the set bonuses at a lower level, like 3 or 4, but then at tier 7 unlock all.
You lose large Inspiration drops until you've completed Tier 8. 
Seriously though, Premiums and Free Players both get very good deals. VIPs get even better ones.
P.S. For Premiums who haven't completed Tier 7 and Free Players, Hami Origin Enhancements are still in the game and available. Premiums who've completed Tier 4 can buy them from the Auction House, while Free Players will most likely actually have to do the Hami raids to get them.
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This situation also brings a good argument for the devs to give us a few more alternate builds per character, for people who may go from VIP to Premium and back frequently.
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Yeah because it's actually a good idea for the devs to give away everything for free.
Look right now if you stop paying your subscription, you don't get to play at all. With i21, if you stop paying, you can still log in and use your second build for SOs. FOR FREE.
Why should we really get more than that?
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Except they do not consider it an issue. As far as they are concerned, it is WAI. They want to give people an incentive to spend money for PPs. Even if it is just $2.00 a month.|
Originally Posted by Beltor
This is an issue that they should really work on if they want returning players. I could understand and accept not being able to add anymore inventions, but those that were made and slotted before freedom or while VIP usually required much thought, time, and resources. Without them, many previously made characters will be unplayable unless you buy many non IO's, which will take even more INF, which may be scarce at premium.
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Since the absolute best price you can reliably get for subscribing is $11.95 a month for a 12 month subscription, $2.00 (or $4.00 if you need the license for the Auction House also) a month is a steal. And for people that have been subscribed for a long time, those fees don't apply. If I wasn't on a long term subscription and let my account lapse, the only thing in the game I would lose is Incarnates and the stuff in I21. Since I only have 1 level 50, it would not be that great of a loss.
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I believe the smallest purchase for Paragon Points is $5.00 from what I've seen posted on the subject.
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Originally Posted by CaptSammy
You would have to buy $15 worth of points (if that is lowest purchase you can make) and then you would have enough points for seven months worth of IOing (and you would also get a Reward token as well.)
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By everyone who was in beta when we were listed as free players.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
I'm sorry. I'm dense. I'm obtuse. I'm lazy. But where is this information found?
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Well ParagonWiki which collected it from various Dev posts. There was a thread on IOs and Freedom and the devs posted there. A quick search found these threads on the Beta board.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=268498
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=269074
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But Hami-Os still work for Preemies, yes?
I've been wondering something for a bit now.
With the advent of Freedom, I may let my subscription lapse if I run into a money crunch.
I know I'll still be a Premium player and I'll still have access to the vast majority of my stuff due to my vet status, but I was wondering about the IOs I have slotted on most of my higher level characters.
I know IOs are listed as "limited" access to Premium players. Now, does that mean I will have to pay extra to keep them, or will the ones I already have slotted continue to work if I drop to Premium for a while? Or is it another thing that is based on vet status? (X months played and you get to keep them)
I did a quick search and couldn't find an answer to that particular question. Either my search fu sucks or the answer just isn't there.
It seems like it would be fair if they did it like legacy powers have been done in the past. If you leave your character alone you get to keep all your IOs, but you aren't allowed to slot any new ones (meaning if you respec your character you lose them all)
Any clarification on this would be nice. I also turned a couple friends on to the game and they took advantage of the $1.99 sale (making them VIPs for now). I gave one of them a KB protection IO to slot on his Dark Armor scrapper. Will he get to keep that or will it go away when they drop to Premium status? (they are not planning on remaining subscribed due to money issues)
Any clarification on this would be appreciated. If no one knows I'll probably PM Zwillinger and ask him directly, but I'd rather not pester him with it if I can find the answer somewhere else first.
See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.