Spoilers for the Underground Trial
So the Well's trying to play both ends against each other, then throwing Primal Earth into the mix, even as The Coming Storm approaches and the Battalion threatens to, I don't know, turn it into a jacuzzi? For a deus ex machina, the Well doesn't work particularly effectively or efficiently. Doesn't this strike anyone as an overcomplicated narrative, dramatically?
Moreover, since players are unable to affect the developments of these clumsily overlapping plots anyway, why would making them harder to justify be more interesting to observe from the sidelines? |
In short, I don't think the Well's actions are really supposed to be very sensible, which is probably why Prometheus wants things done his way.
Of course, again, this is really just what sense I can make out of what is indeed not the most sensible of storylines.
Listen, strange ponds distributin' super powers is no basis for a system of government!
Or for tha' matter, a system for determinin' the fate a two universes!
Supreme executive power over th' fate of th' multiverse derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!
Listen, strange ponds distributin' super powers is no basis for a system of government!
Or for tha' matter, a system for determinin' the fate a two universes! Supreme executive power over th' fate of th' multiverse derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony! |
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
Prometheus says the well is being "directed" - but so far, he's not told us anything more than that.
I love the way that completing each Trial gets Prometheus to give us more info - and it also ties into one of my favorite things about the Incanrate system and storyline in general - the way it's broken the security of the 1-50 game.
Before Incarnates, there was a 1-50 story framework for the whole game - even if there wasn't that much endgame content, there was actually an "end" to the game - once you'd hit 50 and run all the arcs and TFs, you'd experienced the full story, from the streets of Outbreak to the portals on Peregrine Island, and while there might be new TFs for 50s from time to time, or new lower level content you could exemplar for, the basic 1-50 story framework remained the same.
But now the Incarnate system and storyline has broken that up - it's gone beyond the 1-50 framework, so we don't have that to put it in context - we can't say "this or that won't or will happen because this or that is the game situation at 50, so it has to sync up with that" - by going beyond 50, the devs aren't required to tie up lose ends and plot threads to make sure they flow into the higher level content, because this is the higher level content - lose ends and plot threads just progress into new stories.
For example, they've just killed off the Praetorian Vanessa DeVore, and Desdemona has taken her mask - but we have no idea where that will lead us, because there's no higher level content to put it in context for us - because it goes beyond the 1-50 framework, there's no limit to where the story can take us - it's like a constant rolling expansion of the game world and lore.
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So the Well's trying to play both ends against each other, then throwing Primal Earth into the mix, even as The Coming Storm approaches and the Battalion threatens to, I don't know, turn it into a jacuzzi? For a deus ex machina, the Well doesn't work particularly effectively or efficiently. Doesn't this strike anyone as an overcomplicated narrative, dramatically?
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Moreover, since players are unable to affect the developments of these clumsily overlapping plots anyway, why would making them harder to justify be more interesting to observe from the sidelines? |
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Soooo....errrr.....ahhh....ummmm....
The Well is tied to Earth, and has taken a vested interest in Earth. The Well wants Earth to survive. Therefore, it's created a gauntlet of Cole, Hamidon, and Primal Earth's threats to create kind of a Doomsday scenario: forcing a crucible gauntlet on the two Earths to produce a group of super-powered beings capable of withstanding the Battalion. Is that what we're being told? |
And I like it.
Weight training: Because you'll never hear someone lament "If only I were weaker, I could have saved them."
I'm very interested in the Letter Writer at this point. We know that the Coming Storm is the Battalion, and that the LW is forming a team to fight the Coming Storm. We know that Ouroboros is not what it seems.
Anyone wanna place bets on if the Battalion was caused by Nemesis too? :P
My working theory: Nemesis is an Incarnate, and he has spent his long life on the "Slow" incarnate path (like players) and the Well has no control over him. Mender Silos is Nemesis (obviously) but not from as far in the future as he claims. He's been orchestrating events through Ouroboros to make sure he comes out on top. Perhaps he learned about the Battalion from Twilight's Son, who allegedly sold out all the Kheldians in his time. Perhaps, eventually, Nemesis' patience and incredible will allow him to direct the force of the Well, and it's his voice we hear.
As for Emperor Cole, he's not a bad guy, he just took the only option available to save his world. When he learned of Primal Earth, he launched the invasion not to show Hami he's in control, but to create a super-powered arms race in Primal Earth (his power dampeners forcing so many of us into Incarnate levels) to amass an army in our world strong enough to save his own world even if it means his own downfall.
Some more stuff related to the subject - Vanessa DeVore's updated bio from first Ward:
"The mysterious Vanessa DeVore is a powerful psychic who formed the Carnival of Light from the desperate remains of powerful sorcerers and renegade telepaths who saw Emperor Cole for the evil he truly is. It is her mental powers which masks the Resistance from Praetor Tilman and the Seers. She helped form the Resistance from scattered and aimless groups opposed to Emperor Cole's totalitarian regime. She chose Calvin Scott to lead the violence prone Crusaders into battle with the Praetorian usurpers, and on the other hand she has carefully cultivated the Wardens to overthrown the empire from within and ultimately take over." |
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As for Emperor Cole, he's not a bad guy, he just took the only option available to save his world. When he learned of Primal Earth, he launched the invasion not to show Hami he's in control, but to create a super-powered arms race in Primal Earth (his power dampeners forcing so many of us into Incarnate levels) to amass an army in our world strong enough to save his own world even if it means his own downfall. |
One thing about the Praetorians that's consistent throughout their Primal Earth invasions is that they only use lethal force against super powered opponents.
They do consistently destroy or extremely damage cities, but there are countless incidental lines about Praetorians only using lethal force when civilians are cleared from the area, refusing to destroy things vital to the function of the city (like Terra Volta), despite being perfectly capable of doing so.
Tyrant himself is also kind of an enigma.
Every one of the Praetors has some sort of mark against them in the current canon (ignoring the old goatee stuff for the moment)
Dominatrix distributes Fixadine to destroyers for her own amusement.
Chimera willingly joined with the man who murdered his parents, and is a total control freak.
Marauder is also distributing Fixadine, to give Powers Division an excuse to exercise their power. He's also unapologetically violent.
Neuron is an idea thief, and uses the citizens of Praetoria as lab rats.
Mother Mayhem is a psychic vampire, and is responsible for the Mindwashed Resistance and the Seer Network.
And Anti-Matter murdered his research assistant to take credit for creating the clockwork. Also there's the whole blasting his own island repeatedly with Anti-Matter pulses thing. (He's still my favorite though)
This is all stuff we've seen during Going Rogue. There's additional older stuff as well (Matricide, for instance) that may or may not be true in the current canon.
But... Tyrant.
Tyrant's big secret, so far, is that he never actually defeated the Hamidon.
Admittedly, our sources of information on him are scarce, and heavily biased in his favor. This new revelation really adds a twist to the nature of Praetoria.
How much of Praetoria is Tyrant's doing? How much of it are his Praetor's doing? How much of it is the Well's doing, and how much of it is Hamidon's doing?
Does Cole truly want Praetoria to be the idyllic little ant farm it is, or are all his extreme measures a result of his desire to appease the Hamidon?
On her First Ward arc, Vanessa gives a neat little bit of foreshadowing:
"It is difficult for me to grow close to anyone, Golden Girl. I have foreseen the moment of death for all I am fated to meet... except my own. But I have foreseen through you that when my time comes you are near and I am in your thoughts, and that is comforting." |
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Something else that might give a clue as to just how powerful the Batalion are going to be is that the 3 enhanced Goliath War Walkers on the Undergorund Trial are level 54+1 - so already the "lesser" threat of Tyrant and the loyalists is starting to throw a few level shifted enemies at us.
And putting that together with what Second Measue said in the February producer's letter:
"Eventually, once we release all of the Incarnate Slots, youll even be a little overpowered for the first waves of Incarnate Trials, and by then, well have something much more challenging for you to do with your newfound power. (Evil chuckle redacted.)" |
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I've gotta admit, I'm rather disappointed.
On Virtue, 50 of us once took out Hamidon is about 7-9 minutes.
All the super powered people on Praetoria couldn't beat that thing?!
@Golden Girl
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I've gotta admit, I'm rather disappointed.
On Virtue, 50 of us once took out Hamidon is about 7-9 minutes. All the super powered people on Praetoria couldn't beat that thing?! |
And like GG said, the Praetorian version laughs at the Primal one.
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So Emperor Cole/Tyrant has Dominatrix as his sidekick (among other things...) and Statesman has taken Desdemona as his new protégé. So I think it's safe to assume that no matter what reality Marcus Cole exists in... he digs chicks in leather.
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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I think, and mind you, think is the operative word here, but I think that it's basically a situation where the well is...intelligent, but not really sentient. It has a goal, and it is able to take complex steps to reach that goal, but it can't really think critically about those steps, evaluate, or really learn from its mistakes. It's probably better to think of the Well less as a character and more as a force of nature.
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it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Soooo....errrr.....ahhh....ummmm....
The Well is tied to Earth, and has taken a vested interest in Earth. The Well wants Earth to survive. Therefore, it's created a gauntlet of Cole, Hamidon, and Primal Earth's threats to create kind of a Doomsday scenario: forcing a crucible gauntlet on the two Earths to produce a group of super-powered beings capable of withstanding the Battalion.
Is that what we're being told?
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