Spoilers for the Underground Trial
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Posted on: 2011-08-09 20:52 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Yeah someone else already corrected me on this.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
No I don't.
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I think the truce ended when Primals started assissting the Resistance.
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Presumably.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
So where Praetoria is now, was an okay spot in Hamidon's opinion?
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I don't think Hami really does talk to Cole much, I suspect he mainly shows his displeasure via giant tentacles and When Trees Attack.
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We know they probably wear really big shoulderpads.
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Originally Posted by Zenyth
I gotta admit, im anxious to see who/what they are. They've always been interesting to me since hearing about them, their name evokes a very military culture...but what do we know of THEM really?
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I'm not talking about 20 years ago. I mean now.
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Originally Posted by Einherjar
The time of the hami wars was a good twenty years ago, there was no connection between primal and praetorian dimensions. Never mind the fact we don't know if Marauder and the rest even had access to the well. It's very possible that until that moment he was just as afraid of the well as Statesman.
You aren't thinking fourth dimenionally /doc brown |
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The correct term is "bloody mess"
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Originally Posted by Venture
Fixed.
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Agree.
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If Vanessa DeVore dies, who's shielding the Resistance from the Seers now? 
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Originally Posted by DMystic
I think you have Sauron confused with Sarumen
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Dang, beaten to the punch, looks like there is a disadvantage to having GG on ignore
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
If Vanessa DeVore dies, who's shielding the Resistance from the Seers now?
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Actually, not really. At level 50 you can't get into the resistance base to see if she's there or not, so it's not an issue.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
So... at any given point in time, is Praetorian Vanessa DeVore alive or dead?
Not that I really care whether she lives or dies, but the single player storylines shoved into a multiplayer game are part of why I stopped reading mission text. If she is "dead" will she still be standing around in Praetoria as a trainer? Does she resurrect everytime we have to refarm this trial and is dead immediately after? When I am running Lambda just after an Underground am I correct to assume she is still dead or did time reset and she is alive again until the next time I run Underground? Seems like we have a case of Schroedinger's Carnie. |
The possible contradiction with the responsibility arc where you have the option of turning her over to Mother Mayhem is an issue though. Presumably if you went that route she would had to have somehow escaped between then and when the underground trial takes place.
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That's actually why I wonder which story arcs in Praetoria the devs are going with. Having the choices is an awesome option, but in the end, you know only one story path (or combo of them of course...Katie rescued on this path, but Cleo died on this one instead of saved by this arc...ect...ect).|
Originally Posted by MTS
Actually, not really. At level 50 you can't get into the resistance base to see if she's there or not, so it's not an issue.
The possible contradiction with the responsibility arc where you have the option of turning her over to Mother Mayhem is an issue though. Presumably if you went that route she would had to have somehow escaped between then and when the underground trial takes place. |
Much like fighting games...sure this person beat it with Guile, but the next edition shows Ryu was the victor.
As for Vanessa not watching over the Seers anymore, that might not be a problem, as we don't know what's happened between level 20 and level 50 incarnate.
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Originally Posted by Venture
There is a profound difference between being The Dragon, never mind a Dragon Ascendant, and being, well, The Starscream. Sauron was a powerful, dangerous character even while serving Melkor. Starscream is a clown.
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*looks at the Hamidon*
*looks at Tyrant again*
*laughs heartily*
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Sounds like Tyrant is as initially presented... Champion and Hero of Praetoria; in the grand scheme of things.
And it sounds like the PCs are doing what they're supposed to be doing; reacting according to the information they're privy to. With that reaction evolving as more info becomes available.
Given this new info, one can see why Cole attempts to rule with an iron fist, why he covers it with a glossy veneer and why he's taken the measures he has concerning Primal Earth; even if the rabble (Praetorians and Primal alike) can't. If he lets one thing slip... its over.
"I do more coke... so I can do more work... so I can do more coke... so I can do more work..." pretty much seems to sum up his side of the relationship with the Well.
But what does this seemingly omnipotent pile of cocaine want?
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So far, trainer issues aside, they've done a pretty good job of keeping storylines potentially in-line with all the choices that can be made. Of course, that also means that potentially-dead characters (Cleo or Aria, for example) aren't likely to show up. It's probably safe to assume that while the Devs will simply acknowledge all the arcs as having happened, points where there may be contradiction will simply be dropped.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
That's actually why I wonder which story arcs in Praetoria the devs are going with. Having the choices is an awesome option, but in the end, you know only one story path (or combo of them of course...Katie rescued on this path, but Cleo died on this one instead of saved by this arc...ect...ect).
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I do wonder slightly about characters like *Spoiler-name-omitted*, who would be alive regardless, though that wouldn't readily be known to all players who were there and saw him "die".
I wonder if the Battalion will set up a forward base/staging ground on the moon?
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Another question.
When I fought the Seed of Hamidon last night, Vanessa calls out to your mind.
What happens after she dies?
Is she replaced by Desdemona?
What happens when you run into Desdemona in a tip mission? Does she still have the mask?
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Considering she's also a contact in First Ward, that's a given.
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Originally Posted by MTS
Actually, not really. At level 50 you can't get into the resistance base to see if she's there or not, so it's not an issue.
The possible contradiction with the responsibility arc where you have the option of turning her over to Mother Mayhem is an issue though. Presumably if you went that route she would had to have somehow escaped between then and when the underground trial takes place. |
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Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
*looks at Tyrant*
*looks at the Hamidon* *looks at Tyrant again* *laughs heartily* |
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
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THIS^^^^.|
Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
What makes you think that Praetorian Hamidon is a threat to the Well? I think there was some dev discussion on PraeHami also being an Incarnate.
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If the well wants a champion to fight the Battalion, and Hamidon is already an Incarnate, why doesn't the well just use the Devouring Earth as its champion? It's basically the entire biosphere, sentient, and pissed off.
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Presumably because Hami has the whole KILL ALL HUMANS thing going on, and the Well probably likes humans, given they have greater ambition, greater skill, and greater desire for power than, say, deer. It's a pretty good setup for the Well, though. It can keep re-making Hami into being just powerful enough to pose a threat, meaning Tyrant has to draw more power from it to counter that, allowing it augment and control Tyrant as much as it wants.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
If the well wants a champion to fight the Battalion, and Hamidon is already an Incarnate, why doesn't the well just use the Devouring Earth as its champion? It's basically the entire biosphere, sentient, and pissed off.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
It's a pretty good setup for the Well, though. It can keep re-making Hami into being just powerful enough to pose a threat, meaning Tyrant has to draw more power from it to counter that, allowing it augment and control Tyrant as much as it wants.
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So the Well's trying to play both ends against each other, then throwing Primal Earth into the mix, even as The Coming Storm approaches and the Battalion threatens to, I don't know, turn it into a jacuzzi? For a deus ex machina, the Well doesn't work particularly effectively or efficiently. Doesn't this strike anyone as an overcomplicated narrative, dramatically?|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
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Moreover, since players are unable to affect the developments of these clumsily overlapping plots anyway, why would making them harder to justify be more interesting to observe from the sidelines?
Cole is basically: "Please don't kill all humans!"
Hamidon: "Why not? Human suck, they just mess up the place with nukes and ****."
Cole: "Let me show you that we won't mess stuff up!"
Hamidon: "Okay, but don't mess stuff up OK? You do your thing, but if you mess stuff up It's nom-nom time!"
Cole: "Okay."
Some time later:
Hamidon: "Coooleee, why are you building stuff in my jungle?"
Cole: "I kinda wanted some place to..."
Hamidon: "SURPRISE TENTACLE ****!"
Cole: "Okay, okay, I'll stay out of your place. And shoot anyone who gets in there. That's OK?"
Hamidon: "I'm so glad weunderstand each other."
Even later:
Hamidon: "WHo are all these people crawling acros my planet? Where are they COMING from, and why isn't Cole doing his job?"
Cole: "Uh... I was kind of trying to fix that, they're y'know coming over and..."
Hamidon: "NO EXCUSES!"
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