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On Pinnacle I stopped at 32 with my CEBR. That's the last server where I don't have a 50, but I've moved on to my next project which needs lots of mid level Recipes. The mob HP curve is pretty steep at low levels, and flattens out at mid to high levels. Player AoE damage is much straighter. If you start out with lots of AoE (like a Claws/Electric Brute) you can beat the Mob HP curve at low levels. Other characters can beat the curve at high levels thanks to multiple Primary/Secondary powerset AoEs, Patron or Epic AoEs, and Incarnate buffs. But I don't know of any power set combo that works particularly well at mid levels. SS/Fire Brutes have several AoEs available at that level, but CEBR is about as fast as a good level 50 SS/Fire with extra Patron AoEs and Incarnate buffs. I don't think you'll find anything that you can play at mid-level that is faster than CEBR.

Since you can't exemp down and get mid-level recipes that actually stop at mid-level, your fastest option is likely to continue to use CEBR. It's still silly fast to ticket cap. Level 25 gives you the third row of Inspirations, which is necessary for efficient Inspiration combining. Beyond that, Energize and Power Surge are nice but not necessary. So actually, you'd be better off using Claws/Fire if you wanted to level lock around 30. Blazing Aura does a little more damage than Lightning Field, and you won't miss Energize much. But you want to continue to fight mobs that are level 2. Adding Burn to your AoE damage output won't make up for the big difference in mob HP.


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I'm not very experienced at farming stuff, so forgive me if I'm asking the obvious, but why stop at 33? You can always exemp down for 33-ish TFs, and the ticket vendor has a level slider for buying enhancements/doing recipe rolls.
Oddly, that level slider use to work where you could set it and you'd only get recipes to that maximum level. Like if you were 50 you could set to 35 and just get level 35 recipes as your max.

They've seemed to change this at some point, no idea when, to only showing you options for the level you set. You still get recipes relative to your level. Made me sad when I realized it no longer worked this way.


 

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Since you can't exemp down and get mid-level recipes that actually stop at mid-level, your fastest option is likely to continue to use CEBR. It's still silly fast to ticket cap. Level 25 gives you the third row of Inspirations, which is necessary for efficient Inspiration combining. Beyond that, Energize and Power Surge are nice but not necessary. So actually, you'd be better off using Claws/Fire if you wanted to level lock around 30. Blazing Aura does a little more damage than Lightning Field, and you won't miss Energize much. But you want to continue to fight mobs that are level 2. Adding Burn to your AoE damage output won't make up for the big difference in mob HP.
Thanks TopDoc, I'll give it a try, I got to 25 and life is easier now due to more insps. Yeah ticket cap is fast but I don't like depending on oranges. I'll try her at 33 on some farm (hope I can find an energy one) so I don't have to worry about oranges - if it's good I'll take the CEBR to 50 and go have fun with rikti, but seems like even if I manage to do well on a 33 fire farm claws/fire is the best choice - Spin, Burn, Eviscerate, Shockwave. Plus when I was farming my SS/Fire after FS on ambush farms (still on SOs but +2/x8/bosses easily) Healing Flames really helped a lot.

The SS/Fire is all T3 and is stupid fast, I can cap tickets before a Rage Crash, and with a cheap build to boot (secondary build, besides from two oblits and 4 lotgs - he has 100% base rech before hasten). Elec/Fire looks viable too at 33 (CI-TS-Burn-LRod), hell I'll just level them both lol, I can slot LRod with 4 dam/rech and use it with BU which recharges at the same time. It's nice having more than one farmer.


 

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Oddly, that level slider use to work where you could set it and you'd only get recipes to that maximum level. Like if you were 50 you could set to 35 and just get level 35 recipes as your max.

They've seemed to change this at some point, no idea when, to only showing you options for the level you set. You still get recipes relative to your level. Made me sad when I realized it no longer worked this way.
Are you sure you're not thinking about the Merit vendor instead of the ticket vendor? that slider works as you describe.


 

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Are you sure you're not thinking about the Merit vendor instead of the ticket vendor? that slider works as you describe.
Only if you pick a specific recipe. If you roll random it never worked this way for any source of recipes. But I think we all asked for it.

Repeatedly.

They just refuse to implement it.


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Are you sure you're not thinking about the Merit vendor instead of the ticket vendor? that slider works as you describe.
Eh, maybe I am.

((Actually, I'm still second guessing this. I've got about 7 sets of kinetic combat that I've had for a long time and I'm sure I didn't use merits to get those. I only recall using my merits for LOTG 7.5's.))


 

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wow, 7 sets from the random rolls? that's a lot of tries or a lot of luck


 

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Dead thread revive, but I've tried a few of these, pre and post 9/21 nerf. Got him to lvl 25 pre. Any recommendations, Infinity server?


 

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On Pinnacle I stopped at 32 with my CEBR. That's the last server where I don't have a 50, but I've moved on to my next project which needs lots of mid level Recipes. The mob HP curve is pretty steep at low levels, and flattens out at mid to high levels. Player AoE damage is much straighter. If you start out with lots of AoE (like a Claws/Electric Brute) you can beat the Mob HP curve at low levels. Other characters can beat the curve at high levels thanks to multiple Primary/Secondary powerset AoEs, Patron or Epic AoEs, and Incarnate buffs. But I don't know of any power set combo that works particularly well at mid levels. SS/Fire Brutes have several AoEs available at that level, but CEBR is about as fast as a good level 50 SS/Fire with extra Patron AoEs and Incarnate buffs. I don't think you'll find anything that you can play at mid-level that is faster than CEBR.

Since you can't exemp down and get mid-level recipes that actually stop at mid-level, your fastest option is likely to continue to use CEBR. It's still silly fast to ticket cap. Level 25 gives you the third row of Inspirations, which is necessary for efficient Inspiration combining. Beyond that, Energize and Power Surge are nice but not necessary. So actually, you'd be better off using Claws/Fire if you wanted to level lock around 30. Blazing Aura does a little more damage than Lightning Field, and you won't miss Energize much. But you want to continue to fight mobs that are level 2. Adding Burn to your AoE damage output won't make up for the big difference in mob HP.
You're right, I tried on SOs, it was doable but not that fast. It was surprising tho, that someone called me to a 54 'fire team' and my unslotted claws/fire was killing mobs faster than everyone (the others were tankers and scrappers). Defense didn't matter since we handled the map in under 2 minutes and I had 8 purples when beginning every time.

Actually what I found really fast was using a level 3 map - it's bugged because if you set it at +1 it puts you at lvl 2, so I have to set it at 0/x8/bosses (although doesn't matter since I'm not PLing anyone, I cap before killing everyone anyway).

The map is the one in Neogumbercules' sig - I like it because besides being 5 missions so you don't have to go to the computer every time, you get to keep follow up - so I find it faster having it (since you're level 3, you keep powers till lvl 8 as you know, when you get FU). He has the same version for level 1 and I tried both, didn't benchmark but definitely felt faster on the level 3 arc.

In fact my 50+3 ss/fire/mu broot is faster at +4/x8/bosses but I find it easier on the claws/fire and claws/elec just because I can put Spin on Auto and never click anything but insps and FU (as long as I remember to click Hasten before entering I don't really have to click anything else, since it is only up every other mission - unless I take 3 minutes, the time it recharges, before entering again - I use the grenades when it's not clickable). After you get the hang of it you never die anyway, and no need to worry about clicking Rage+FE+Footstomp+Elec Fences+Pyronic like in the ss/fire so after I learned how to avoid dying it's been much more relaxing on the claws/damage aura toon.

Now that my claws/fire is 33 and locked (the CEBR is on Champion, not sure what I'll do with her) I need something to PL others on Freedom, the land of PLing thinking of a Elec/Fire because I'm bored with my SS/Fire (used for drops on Virtue).


 

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Why would you want lvl 33 enhs? Is it something to do with it being the happy medium between highest possible stats and lowest exemp lvl? or is it something to do with sell on prices?


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Why would you want lvl 33 enhs? Is it something to do with it being the happy medium between highest possible stats and lowest exemp lvl? or is it something to do with sell on prices?
Both actually. I had a few 33 recipes and crafted IOs on an old toon and logged him, stripped him because I never play him anymore and the prices were high, including things like Doctored Wounds. I sold some recipes for 10 mil a pop, the level 50 were 1 mil or something like that at the time.

And besides the latest toon I IO'ed out (the aforementioned SS/Fire Brute) I want to see if I can always use lvl 33s too, I like that level (as many in the forums) and as you said, it's a happy medium. Since I already have a lvl 50 farmer it's a good way to test, especially with claws' Spin .

(I'm so tempted to buy the extra auction house slots now that I have 2 toons that can cap tickets so fast... And one more on the way, I'll test elec/fire )


 

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Why would you want lvl 33 enhs? Is it something to do with it being the happy medium between highest possible stats and lowest exemp lvl? or is it something to do with sell on prices?
In addition to what Kioshi stated, there are still some players that strictly PvP in Sirens Call and I think the highest level of IOs for that zone is lv33 if Im not mistaken.


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In addition to what Kioshi stated, there are still some players that strictly PvP in Sirens Call and I think the highest level of IOs for that zone is lv33 if Im not mistaken.
Oh yeah that's true, and was always stated as one of the main reasons to sell 33 IOs and recipes. I just forgot about it because I haven't been in a PvP zone since i13 so I don't really know how many people are there nowadays, Sirens used to be crowded all the time on Freedom till the changes and lots of people used IO'ed out builds with 33s.


 

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I keep meaning to post here, just to give my two cents. First, I think this is a fantastically detailed and well-written guide. I've always been impressed by the quality of information that TopDoc shares with us, but this really blew me away. So simple, but so thorough, even I could follow it! I've never done any farming before, I mean not for more than a couple of missions in a row followed by a year long break from farming. It bores me to tears. This was actually fun.

Second, I just wanted to let you know that I did indeed make a cat girl. Cheercat, over on the German server. A science student who decided to inject herself with DNA from her school mascot, a panther. I figured since I would only be playing solo, I might as well play on a foreign server where I had plenty of character slots. Somehow it didn't sink in that everything would be all foreign and stuff. Actually, once I thought about it, I was surprised by how much of the text was still in English. It must be tough to play if you don't speak any English at all.

Let me see, I started a few weeks before the last 2xp weekend. I've gotten to level 40 or so. That may sound slow to you, but it's lightning fast to me. It usually takes me about a year of steady play to reach level 50. I normally only play for a few hours a week. The CEBR thing was so quick and easy and fun, I could jump in and run one mission in just a few minutes, and then log out again. That made it easy to play more than I normally do and level faster.

I should probably apologize for the dev's nerf. It's all my fault. Every time I try to jump on some kind of gravy train, they always hit the brakes. I started playing a regen when they were gods. As I leveled up, the dev's nerfed each power just before I could get it. Seems to happen to me every time. That what comes from being so casual I guess. I hear about some new trick with IO's or the AE or whatever, and it's gone in the next patch. So sorry about that guys, for bringing my bad luck into your lovely leveling frenzy.

By the way, I've made about 400 million inf so far. I sold a lot of salvage at first. More recipes lately, especially gold ones so I don't have to do as much crafting. Bronze rolls are so cheap there's a lot of clutter.


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So I went through a CEBR, not sure about the time that it took, but I made out with 400m by level 50.

Anyway, I fixed the targeting macro:
/macro X "inspdelete awaken$$inspdelete bounce_back$$inspdelete restoration$$
target_custom_near enemy alive 111$$target_custom_next enemy alive Beta$$
target_custom_next enemy alive Alpha"
It targets, Alpha, Beta, and then other bosses.


 

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i have been wondering which maps are useful lately... been running the cebr ticket farm which is good for tickets but not as much for leveling, seeing i cant do +1/x8 because its capped at level 1.
i have been trying running achtzehn's level 3 map however i have a strange problem - specifically on that map, once some mobs start to spawn my game crashes.

my question is, are there any other level 3 maps out there that are good for this?


 

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Not a level 3 map but Fire! is a good farming map although as you can imagine it is mostly Fire attacks.

It does the same setup in the front with ambushes and a glowie for bonus tickets. You have 2 destructable items that trigger ambushes and a "helper" that doesn't help much


 

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i have been wondering which maps are useful lately...
My "Icebreaker" mission should work, it's fixed at level 2 so you can run +1/x8. It's the "non-farm" version of my original arc.


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Thanks for the guide, TopDoc. Through very casual playing, I got my CEBR to 50 yesterday. I had planned on reporting how long it took me, but when I talked to a citizen, they told me it was 540 hours, which can't be right. I'd guess closer to 10-15, with about half of that in missions and the other half rolling tickets, goofing off at the market, or messing with my newly formed solo base.

I do have an issue. I did this project on my 2nd account and am considering letting that go Premium this week. Because I just created it recently, I have only earned 2 reward tokens. Here is how I believe this will impact me:
-The biggest impact seems to be the lack of rewards in MA, which I need 6 more tokens to achieve. Is there any way around this? If not, I may have to sub 6 more months if I want to continue CEBRing on this account.
-The 500M inf cap may be an issue as well, but is easily remedied by email.
-I don't have any expensive sets in the build yet, but will have to replace my common IOs with SOs.
-I am unsure how this will impact my SG. It appears that tier 2 allows me to join them, but my CEBR is the big star currently. Should I promote someone from my main account? Can my CEBR still enter the base, add/take from the storage, and use the empowerment buffs?

Does anyone else have any experience with Premium CEBR?
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This is a well-written guide, TopDoc, easy to understand and very detailed, heading off the large majority of questions before they are even asked. If one can't succeed following this advice, well, perhaps other hobbies are best pursued.

As for me, I think it's proven to me once and for all that I don't have the patience or the persistence or whatever else it may be that makes a farmer a successful farmer. I am not new to farming, but I've never been a very good one. I tried following this advice to the letter, and died several times with no progress. I tried taking down the difficulty level, the multiplication of foes, and slogged ahead a bit without ever finding a functional rhythm. After maybe 6 or 7 accumulated hours of playing, I've gotten to level 9, and my bank account is lower (for that character) than when I started.

All of this is my own ineptitude, and is not the fault of your described process. I also fall down when trying to play any kind of First Person Shooter, or any other type of "twitch" gaming. I didn't grow up playing console games -- that may have nothing to do with anything, but I offer it in the interest of full disclosure.

Summing up, I just don't seem to have the "right stuff." And I know that such situations actually exist in real life. I was an air traffic controller for over 12 years. During that time, I worked with and trained some of the smartest people I've ever had the pleasure to meet. Unfortunately, a small handful of them, despite their obvious intelligence, never made it out of training, and thus never entered that career field. They just "didn't get it," and that was an obstacle that couldn't be overcome, not with time, not with trying.

The last thing I want to say, even if I'm repeating myself, is that I've never seen a guide, of ANY type, written so well, assuming that the reader knows NOTHING yet avoiding condescension, and delivering a very comprehensive missive. My hat and the hats of all my heroes and villains that wear them are off to you, TopDoc!


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Awesome guide TopDoc.

I had a 12 Dark/Elec brute that I got up to level 38 the other day via CEBR. Dark is not as good as claws because of shadow maul, but its good enough to handle 0/8 no macros.

So I would expect any combo with a cone attack at 4 or less work. So thats claws, dark, broadsword, elec, katana, and street for primaries. And anything with a damage AOE at level 4 or less works for secondary (dark, elec, and fire). If you are using a cone make sure you hit as many bosses with it as you can.


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Thanks for the guide, TopDoc. Through very casual playing, I got my CEBR to 50 yesterday. I had planned on reporting how long it took me, but when I talked to a citizen, they told me it was 540 hours, which can't be right. I'd guess closer to 10-15, with about half of that in missions and the other half rolling tickets, goofing off at the market, or messing with my newly formed solo base.
If you exit the game without completing out the mission/TF, the game continues to log time.

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Does anyone else have any experience with Premium CEBR?
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Depends on if you have enough vet access for (or have purchased) AE.



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-I am unsure how this will impact my SG. It appears that tier 2 allows me to join them, but my CEBR is the big star currently. Should I promote someone from my main account? Can my CEBR still enter the base, add/take from the storage, and use the empowerment buffs?

Does anyone else have any experience with Premium CEBR?
My second account has gone Premium so I thought I would report back. (Presumably because I am tier 2,) my SG access was unchanged. My CEBR retained the red star and can access/use the base as before.

I did find a few more limitations that I did not consider previously:
-No market posting. They did do a good job allowing access to previously purchased/posted items, but no new items can be sold. Temporary market licenses can be purchased. Perm license at tier 4.
-No large/med inspirations. Not a deal breaker, but does make things more difficult at higher levels. Mediums drop at tier 4; larges at tier 8
-Less slots for recipes, salvage, and market. The lower inventory for recipes and market make rolling/selling more cumbersome.

In summary, it appears that tier 4 (8 tokens earned) is the threshold for successful CEBRing. That gives everything needed except IO access, large insps, and higher inventory, which can all be worked around.

I need 6 more tokens to get there. That's $70 worth of points (including the bonus one I would get for first points purchase) or I could pay $77.70 for 6 months of VIP, play with no limits during that time, and then apply my tokens over time. I'll probably either do that or just roll another CEBR on my main account.
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If you exit the game without completing out the mission/TF, the game continues to log time.
Ah, that must be it. Thanks for the info. AE arcs are treated as TFs so I must have logged out with those still active.
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Depends on if you have enough vet access for (or have purchased) AE.
What do you mean by "purchased"? Are you referring to buying points that I outlined above or is there a temporary license I could buy for AE? I did not see one, but could have missed it in the store.


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It was my understanding that you could purchase a 30 day MA license for ~$2-$3, and a 30 day IO license for the same. ~$5 - $6 for both, which would be considerably less than the subscription rate.

Also, while I can neither confirm nor deny, It is my understanding that only the 400 to 550 pp you get as a stipend per month counts towards your rewards, aka 3 months subscription = 1 token, not 3. I could be mistaken.


 

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Thanks, Linea. I'll have to look again for that license.

My information is coming fromParagon Wiki which seems to state the opposite. It explicitly says that monthly stipend points DO NOT count toward the 1200 needed for a token and that "VIP Players are given one Reward Token per month of paid subscription time after Freedom launches."


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