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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I assume that women wear clothes that they think are comfortable and/or they look good in. This doesn't imply any consent to being ogled, by men or women.
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In my opinion, people (anyone) should be able to dress pretty much how they want without fear of prejudice directed at them. The poster earlier for example who dressed like a 'scary biker', shpuld be treated the same as a 'city gent'.
Likewise, women should be able to wear what they want without automatically being labelled as tarts - with the caveat that there is a line which shouldn't be crossed - said line depending on culture and context. Bare breasts on a San Tropez beach are not the same as bare breasts in Canterburu Cathedral on a sunday.
A wan in a bikini top in a grocery store on a hot day (or even not on a hot day if she wants) shouldn't be accused of anything. If we can't see her nips, she's not doing anything wrong.
However, in my opinion, looking at other people isn't against the law either, and unless the perpetrator is jumping up and down whistling and going 'arooga!' with his tongue hanging out, I don't believe that women's offense at being looked at is entirely justified. On the occasions I've caught eye contact with a strange woman in public and smiled, I've always hot a smile in return. It strikes me as odd that it's ok to look at sbs bare naked face but not ok to look at a clothed part of the body. There's sth special about a lady's boobs and bottom?
For myself, bikini tops are decidedly 'meh'. If I saw an attractive woman on the subway wearing a victorian dress with bustle, however, I'd be all 'ka-chinggg!' internally even if I was merely looking, deadpan, from a safe distance.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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I guess i'll never understand this from the offended womens view point.
Personally i have about four diffrent clothes styles i wear.
1: Comfy clothes, i dress for comfort, not looks. This usually consist of me being barefoot, having baggy combat pants or sweats and a t-shirt or tank top. Not particularly sexy in my book, but i've still managed to draw looks.
2: Work outfit. Consists mostly of dress pants, a t-shirt and a shirt or blouse over it.
3: Going out outfit. consists of clothes i wear to get attention. Usually short skirts, tops that show cleavage and/or belly button, and usually tight fitting. Alternatively nice dresses if its more formal, or same as work outfit depending on occasion.
4: Intimacy wear. yeah, i'll leave this up to your imagination. But its clothes to show off for one or two persons alone.
If someone, man or woman looks at me, i never get offended. Instead i tend to take it as a compliment. Yes i do think it gets annoying when they're very persistent, especially the "creepy guys(tm)". But i personally like looking at other people who catch my eye, i've lost myself in another girl cleavage, so i cannot really complain when someone looks at my boobs.
Also, regarding that comment i put on the nude pic earlier in this thread. Not gotten a single PM or such about the location of it. No harrassment there, granted its not hard to find, would only take 4-5 clicks to find it, but still.
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For the City of Heroes player community, the existence of human females hasn't been a controversial subject since late 2006.
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Originally Posted by Primantiss
I am astonished that this topic is still thriving without being locked down after 17 pages.. Kudos to the CoH community for keeping it civil, even in such a controversial and touchy type of discussion.
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So, to try and prevent that:
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Seriously! I think we should have different forums for those who keep their posts-displayed-per-page so low, while those of us who do it right (100 per page baby!) can be free of the whole "WOW! 876 thousand pages already!!!" annoyance that comes up any time a thread has more than 7 replies!!|
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I only show four. You low-posts-displayed-per-page-ist, you.
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What common country and culture did they all come from again?
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Originally Posted by _Wyll_
I'm not a female IRL, but I play one on the Internet.
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Re: talking in full sentences and being nice and not a jerk...
People used to just think that meant we were homosexual! "He's nice, intelligent, clean, knows how to cook... He must be gay!"
Now, online, it just means that we are women! Woohoo!
Now I need to find a way to explain all of the nasty, poor-speaking, foul-spirited and lazy women I've met in real life...
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Their existence has been entirely disproved.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
For the City of Heroes player community, the existence of human females hasn't been a controversial subject since late 2006.
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The existence of an accuracy nerf, however...
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I agree people should be able to dress however they want, but they have to be aware of the reaction they will elicit. Just because you should be able to dress with your face/arms/legs showing doesn't mean it is a good idea to do so in Tehran. It doesn't matter if it is right or wrong, it's reality, and it wont change overnight. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.|
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
In my opinion, people (anyone) should be able to dress pretty much how they want without fear of prejudice directed at them. The poster earlier for example who dressed like a 'scary biker', shpuld be treated the same as a 'city gent'.
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In my opinion, people shouldn't allow themselves to be blamed for the reactions they elicit. If me wearing shorts above the knee offends someone, that is their issue, and they should mind their own ******* business.
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People who don't read a lot of bios may be surprised to find how many super-powered strippers and prostitutes we have. I assume most of those players are male.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I suppose one easy way to tell a sleezy *** is when you spot a player playing a character who looks like (and is named, as I've seen) "Dirty HO." Things like a string bikini with an Eden top is pretty strong evidence that - as I know first hand - someone was trying to make a naked lady and this was as naked as he could make her.
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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Anyone who starts to ask personal questions hears about my very strict policy concerning my personal information, and that tends to end that.|
Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Not anoucing you are a girl is not lying about your gender. If your a lil thin skined about having suggestive comments thrown your way I think it's valid advice to just simple not state your a girl. There is no lie in the silence.
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For anything else, a simple "I'm not interested" suffices.
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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
People who don't read a lot of bios may be surprised to find how many super-powered strippers and prostitutes we have.
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Of course, my main is a magical copy of an interdimensional clone of a genetic experiment. So superhero stripper doesn't even score a 3 on my weird-o-meter.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I understand most are crime-fighting their way through college.
Of course, my main is a magical copy of an interdimensional clone of a genetic experiment. So superhero stripper doesn't even score a 3 on my weird-o-meter. |
If it recently used Dr Aeon's time travel device to return with dire warnings from the future. We'd have a future-version of a mirror-universe reflection of the magical copy of an interdimensional clone of a genetic experiment!
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What's sad is that I conjured up the basic backstory before I knew practically anything about the CoH lore, when I first started playing. And now, I realize that probably 20% of the citizens of Paragon City have a stranger family history.
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Hmm... but imagine that character's Praetorian counterpart.
If it recently used Dr Aeon's time travel device to return with dire warnings from the future. We'd have a future-version of a mirror-universe reflection of the magical copy of an interdimensional clone of a genetic experiment! |
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Better than the soon to be defunct Star Wars MMO where 90% of an entire generation of role played characters were orphans whose parents were killed by Imperials or Rebels or Vader or Boba Fett and/or 50% of them were ex-slaves.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
What's sad is that I conjured up the basic backstory before I knew practically anything about the CoH lore, when I first started playing. And now, I realize that probably 20% of the citizens of Paragon City have a stranger family history.
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No, I'm really not kidding. Sitting in the cantina on a sunday night and reading bios was a hobby.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Better than the soon to be defunct Star Wars MMO where 90% of an entire generation of role played characters were orphans whose parents were killed by Imperials or Rebels or Vader or Boba Fett and/or 50% of them were ex-slaves.
No, I'm really not kidding. Sitting in the cantina on a sunday night and reading bios was a hobby. |
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Better than the soon to be defunct Star Wars MMO where 90% of an entire generation of role played characters were orphans whose parents were killed by Imperials or Rebels or Vader or Boba Fett and/or 50% of them were ex-slaves.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
For the City of Heroes player community, the existence of human females hasn't been a controversial subject since late 2006.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I understand most are crime-fighting their way through college.
Of course, my main is a magical copy of an interdimensional clone of a genetic experiment. So superhero stripper doesn't even score a 3 on my weird-o-meter. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
When TOR launches, I'm going to be Darth Bob. My backstory will be that I saw a late night television ad for a Galactic trade school, and it was either blaster repair or Sithing.
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I have RL friends who seem otherwise sane speech-wise, but type in cringe-worthy linguistic contractions online. ...
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm by no means a "nitpicky English language nerd" but I do think it's a pretty easy leap of faith to equate a mature style of writing to a mature person.
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That's not particularly relevant to what you quoted, though.
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Originally Posted by Freem
I have RL friends who seem otherwise sane speech-wise, but type in cringe-worthy linguistic contractions online. ...
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Not for you. Yes for me.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
That's not particularly relevant to what you quoted, though.
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Wearing sunglasses helps in ogling people quite a bit, if you have a wide enough range of vision. You get to stare at people yet they don't get creeped out. Everybody wins. Besides, it helps avoid uncomfortable eye contact with strangers on the bus. Since they don't know where you're looking, they simply never make eye contact, as opposed to unshielded eyes where you can eye someone up so long as he's looking away.|
Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko
If someone, man or woman looks at me, i never get offended. Instead i tend to take it as a compliment. Yes i do think it gets annoying when they're very persistent, especially the "creepy guys(tm)". But i personally like looking at other people who catch my eye, i've lost myself in another girl cleavage, so i cannot really complain when someone looks at my boobs.
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Funny thing, that.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Again I do my best not to be hyper-critical of bad writing on the Internet. Gods know while I'm playing this game my in-game chat typing tends to suffer. But I am willing to admit that if I don't know a person and all I see of their writing is nothing but constant "cringe-worthy linguistic contractions" I'm going to initially think less of what they have to say. I may learn later that they are reasonably smart people who simply can't write well, but that won't be my -first- impression at any rate.|
Originally Posted by Freem
I have RL friends who seem otherwise sane speech-wise, but type in cringe-worthy linguistic contractions online. ...
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When you only have a person's written word to go on you tend to make value judgements about that person based solely on that. It might not be strictly fair or even completely open-minded, but it's going to happen regardless.
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Looks like the dev chat says that the female-only server may be possible:
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Supposing that you wouldn't need to pay your regular sub if you only used the private server then I guess that you may only need a few hundred people to sign up to avoid it costing any more than the regular sub.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
Looks like the dev chat says that the female-only server may be possible:
Supposing that you wouldn't need to pay your regular sub if you only used the private server then I guess that you may only need a few hundred people to sign up to avoid it costing any more than the regular sub. |
I mean, you didn't actually think your private server was going to be Freedom or something.
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Although what Posi was saying about a setting up "private servers" was very likely a fun little joke I'd bet if someone out there legitimately offered Paragon Studios a fairly stupid amount of money (like $10,000+ per month contracted over several years) they would seriously entertain the idea. They'd have to organize the hardware and likely hire a few new people dedicated just to that so all those costs would have to be factored in. But if someone out there was willing to throw that much money at them the company would be silly not to consider it.
Of course among the only individuals around who'd be able to pay for this kind of unique service would be people like Saudi princes who would not likely make their server "female only" by any stretch of the imagination. 
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If you're going to be fair, which I like to be, there should be a White Male History Month to go along with all the other <special> History months out there.
No, I think youre missing the point. I cant speak for everyone but in my History Classes in High School (California US) we covered the history and accomplishments of Western Europe and on into the US. The history of Africa was told through the prism of which "white dude" discovered what. South America too if I recall correctly. Asian history was glossed over as well....I found "World" History to be more about white America and its achievements than anything else. At the time I didnt find it odd, but in retrospect after gaining a little perspective its obvious my education was skewed.
Even in college, my only non elective history course was "Western History 1842 to present"
Regardless of educational bias I dont think that celebrating something denigrates something else. I dont think having a Star of David on a public piece of land diminishes Christianity, I dont think talking about a certain culture makes mine any less viable. When someone points out their favorite sports team it doesnt make mine less...I think kids should learn about more figures than George Washington Carver and the Alamo at school. Look at these months as opportunities and not crosses to bear and youll be happier for it
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