Discussion: The Intrepid Informer: Power Set Proliferation
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Posted on: 2011-07-06 10:45 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Methinks SR made it to Tanks so that all of the Freems that come in at launch can make a soft-capped tank without throwing IOs at it.
But otherwise...
Poison getting buffed and proliffed? Thanks.
A blaster I might actually play? Cool.
Possibly a powerset for scrappers that does more ST damage than BS? Yes please.
EA getting buffed and proliffed? Could be awesome.
Dear Lord Icanmakeabroadsword/regenbrute?!?!?! My life is complete.
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Woohoo! I love me some dommies! New powersets are always welcome!|
Originally Posted by Synapse
Going to nip this potential rumor in the bud. There is no immediate plan to revamp, remove, alter, change, nerf or buff this archetype as a whole. I never said changes were coming. I said we had plans for the archetype. As in plans for power sets. So, stay tuned for that in the future! (And by future I mean post I21.)
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(Please please please be dark control/dark assault! I love dark powers almost as much as I love doms!)
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I have to point out that if you are being stealthy it doesn't really matter what toggle the damage aura is part of because you shouldn't be getting attacked in the first place.
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
Toggling off your damage aura when you want to be stealthy makes worlds more sense than toggling off your mez protection.
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You do realize Rularuu Eyeballs, KoA, and Rikti Drones all have the ability to mez, right? And if you're held/disoriented/sleeping you lose all stealth, right?
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Originally Posted by MortisEques
I have to point out that if you are being stealthy it doesn't really matter what toggle the damage aura is part of because you shouldn't be getting attacked in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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How about not bother with powerset prolif and fix all of the old TFs and SFs instead. This game seems to forget having things to do (that are fun) trumps this type of thing. This is my opinion, of course 
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Unless those groups see through stealth then there isn't a problem running without mez protection. If they can see through stealth then sneaking up on them wouldn't work anyway, so you would just leave the mez protection on.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
You do realize Rularuu Eyeballs, KoA, and Rikti Drones all have the ability to mez, right? And if you're held/disoriented/sleeping you lose all stealth, right?
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Unless you are playing a stalker, and need to be hidden to AS or get an easy crit, there is no reason you can't have stealth running without mez protection and just turn the mez protection on when you are in place before any other attacks.
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Then, perhaps your butt cheeks will relinquish their grip on your chin." -The_Zekiran
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I'm REALLY hoping Regeneration finally gets some debuff resistance. It is currently the only mitigation set in the game that has no resistance to any kind of debuffs whatsoever. It kind of sucks when a couple debuffing enemies can completely neuter your secondary's ability to keep you on your feet. |
Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
I'm guessing Regeneration for Brutes will get a taunt added to Integration. I wonder what other changes, if any, will be made during the port.
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The change to Entropy Aura in Energy Aura looks really interesting as well. A recharge buff for each enemy in melee range of you? That sounds....possibly ludicrous with all the recharge bonuses we can already get.
Actually the changes to Energy Aura overall look nice.
Poison for Controllers sounds interesting as well. I'm predicting another GM killer combo in Illusion/Poison.
The lack of proliferation for Dominators leads me to believe that they may be working on Dark Illusion Control/Dark Assault for them. Illusion as it is wouldn't be a good fit, as only 2 powers in the entire set would get any benefit at all from Domination.
Maybe something like this:
DARK ILLUSION CONTROL:
Blind
Spectral Wounds
Deceive
Tenebrous/Soul Tentacles
Superior Invisibility
Flash
Fearsome Stare
Phantom Army OR Spectral Terror (I really don't see it keeping both)
Dark Servant (which would be more fitting than Phantasm)
DARK ASSAULT
Dark Blast
Smite
Shadow Maul
Gloom
Night Fall
Death Shroud
Soul Drain
Midnight Grasp
A new short range heavy hitting blast
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
If/when Doms do get illusion and anything happens to phantom army ima gonna rage quit, lol jkjk but I will be a little miffed about it.
Any yay finally dark blasters.
All I can say is we better not hear **** else about the cottage rule after this issue goes live. You have literally nuked the cottage with this round of changes. Still mad about no illusion though. For the post i21 changes my guess is someone finally had the balls to get rid of dimension shift and they are fixing gravity control.
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
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Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
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That'll be my first one when this round hits.
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Originally Posted by flipside
Very awesome list! I'm already down for making a Thermal/Fire Defender.
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How is that, exactly?|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
All I can say is we better not hear **** else about the cottage rule after this issue goes live. You have literally nuked the cottage with this round of changes. Still mad about no illusion though. For the post i21 changes my guess is someone finally had the balls to get rid of dimension shift and they are fixing gravity control.
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I'm fairly certain the devs don't even own a nuke, let alone have a spare one to pointlessly use on a cottage...
I guess my next question is how are they going to make regen playable on brutes in terms of tanking? Given how are hard avs hit there isnt much all those clicks are going to do. Mog just means you delayed becoming a greasy stain on the pavement for 10 seconds or so. Your still going to die.
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
Can we please improve some of the older sets too? I really think Dark Blast set needs a small buff. Looking at Blaster's version (the text), it has Aim which is a HUGE bonus for a set that has a true nuke at lvl 32. Blaster's version also has a single hold.
Is there any way Life Drain can be improved? It is a really poor power. 
It has 12 endurance cost, 15s recharge and the damage is only like a tier 1. Siphon Life has a much higher damage and only 10s recharge.
Can we find a happy middle-ground for Life Drain? I really want to like this power but its healing is pretty poor. The current version of Life Drain is not a good heal, not a good damage, not endurance-efficient, not fast activating and what's more, it has less range than other blasts. Can't we improve some aspects of it? Pretty please? 
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Can we get Thunderkick and Storm Kick spots switched for Tankers, so Storm Kick is the tier 1? PLEEEEASE!
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Kinetic Melee can work with Energy Aura just as easily as Energy Melee.|
Originally Posted by evertheskeptic
Good to see some new possibilities, though no Energy Melee for Scrappers, no Ice Melee for Stalkers, and no Energy Aura for Tankers (especially with the fixes) is a bit surprising. Please, complete the sets! And add some new matching Ancillaries for Blasters (Dark) and Defenders (Fire) ... and soon Stalkers (Ice) too
Personally, the only thing that immediately comes to mind is possibly rerolling my Inv/Axe tanker into a scrapper... Also my /Poison mastermind appreciates the love |
Animation team is busy, so Ice Melee for Stalkers will have to wait.
Energy Melee was without Energy Aura from day 1, so nothing new there.
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So no hope for the end of "lol stalkers" with this patch either?
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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That assumes ones wants to play those other ATs for the set combo. If I have the option for a combo between the Brute and the Scrapper, I'll pick the Scrapper everytime and twice on Sunday.|
Originally Posted by CaptainAmazing
Also I'm surprised we're still doing this, wasn't one of the side effects / benefits of GR was to make it so as a dev you can say "You have access to that as "x" archetype and can now go to the other side if you wish, there's no need for further resources to be directed towards a redundant concept as prolifs'"? o.0 Maybe I'm not understanding properly o.o;
-C.A. |
This isn't to say I don't realize some combos are better on one AT than the other, but we all know Scrappers are just more fun
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Poison buff - Yay |
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Replying to my own message here... YES, it was discussed in Ustream that Poison's debuffs will now work on a slight AoE scale. (I suppose that makes some thematic sense... a short-range AoE could be described as a "splash" from the main target.)
From the Ustream notes: "Posion has had a quasi-revamp with improvements to the set. Current design in beta is that Poison has Venom and Weaken having small AoE effects with half the effect of original that is on the base target. The heal has been buffed. Poison Trap has intial hold instead of initial sleep, and has a Recovery debuff." |
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So sad to be ending ):
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If you wanted a Tanker for solo content, you should go Fire Armor to help speed things along |
Originally Posted by NewScrapper
I don't really think I'm being that impatient. I've just never understood why Super Strength wasn't a Scrapper powerset to begin with, especially since Tankers seem so gimped in the attacking department. (I recently started a Tanker with the intention of playing through all the Hero-side content but switched to a Scrapper when I realized it was taking too freaking long to solo my missions. Maybe it's just a function of Scrappers having Critical Hit instead of Gauntlet, but that's the impression I get nonetheless. Was really scratching my head when they gave Dual Blades to Tanks. Overall feeling of Super Strength on a Tanker: "YAARRR!!! HULK TAKE FOREVER TO SMASH!!!") If you want Super Strength to be impressive, one would think you would put it on a Scrapper. Plus, it's punchy, and me likes to punch!
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Agreed on Dual Blades for Tankers. Not that they got it, but I think the DMG on a lot of sets should be increased a bit on Tankers attacks.
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All of those groups do see through stealth. And lets not forget nemesis snipers, longbow spec ops, probably some others |
Originally Posted by MortisEques
Unless those groups see through stealth then there isn't a problem running without mez protection. If they can see through stealth then sneaking up on them wouldn't work anyway, so you would just leave the mez protection on.
Unless you are playing a stalker, and need to be hidden to AS or get an easy crit, there is no reason you can't have stealth running without mez protection and just turn the mez protection on when you are in place before any other attacks. |
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FINALLY TAUNT on my Energy Aura Brute.
Loving that change, as well as the +Defense change...thank you!
Looking forward to the changes to Poison as well...lots of good stuff here.
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This is as ridiculous as walking into a Hospital and screaming that all the Doctors and Nurses need to go down the road to fight a fire!|
Originally Posted by TheJazMan
How about not bother with powerset prolif and fix all of the old TFs and SFs instead. This game seems to forget having things to do (that are fun) trumps this type of thing. This is my opinion, of course
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Different teams do different things.
Full of so much RAGE!!
Lacking the psy corruptor, I rolled a psy blaster
Lacking the /reg brute, I rolled a /reg scrapper
So much wasted timed!
My cries of rage are just barely drowned out by my sobs of job. With maybe a few sighs of "about time."
OH MY GOOOOOOOODDDD!
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!
*explodes*
I love you, Paragon Studios.
I really, truly do.
... I... I have to go make an Energy Aura Brute. I HAVE TO GO MAKE AN ENERGY AURA BRUTE! I HAVE TO!
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CAN'T TALK BYE
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
So Energy Aura gets some wicked sounding buffs...How about using the opportunity to FIX some of the powers in Poison..poison (C)Trap especially?
And why does dark blast suddenly get AIm? So it fits for blasters...why doesnt AR and Dp have aim? If you can 'aim' throwing bolts of darkness, aim with a bow..why cant you look down the sights of a gun?