Discussion: The Intrepid Informer: Power Set Proliferation
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Posted on: 2011-07-06 10:45 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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| Torrent and Nightfall were merged into a single power: Umbral Torren |
I love Nightfall, if Umbral Torrent will have KB on blasters thats one power im not looking forward to.
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The changes havent happened yet!
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
OH MY GOOOOOOOODDDD!
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Originally Posted by BrandX
The changes havent happened yet!
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I have to make one now and experience the set as it is.
And, just like with Fiery Aura, I will know him, how he plays and what he is capable of.
Then, when the changes occur, I will log in and he will be IMMEASURABLY more powerful and fun to play!
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Speaking of being patient... with all these awesome underperforming set buffs... will Trick Arrows be seeing any love? If there are, you are morally obligated to tell me of all people! I've been pushing for TA buffs for 6 years now!
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TA has been buffed multiple times since it was originally released. It is by NO means an underperforming set these days.
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Powers team and whoever handles the TFs/Story arcs are completely different people. They would share no resources unless they were working on making new enemy groups that needed different powers than is currently available.|
Originally Posted by TheJazMan
Yep, different teams do different things. I do believe that is how it works BUT only a certain amount of resources are available. So they choose to use them on prolif. Only a finite amount of things can be put in each issue and they went with prolif. as one of the items for i21. I would have liked them to improve a lot of the TFs and SFs - anywhere from simple tweaks to an overhaul and new art...anything...so many of them just suck...
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You can hope till the cows come home, but Synapse has nothing to do with how enjoyable a TF is.
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Well, I'm confused about the whole thing, unfortunately.
First I was overjoyed. "Yay! Now I can go remake my defender with dark blast as a blaster with dark blast, and enjoy the better... wait a minute. I don't want to make her again."
Then I was insulted. There wasn't a single thing in this proliferation that I'd be interested in.
Then I was enraged. Reading about how they're changing it for blasters. "How dare the devs do this? What, it's fine for defenders, but not for blasters? Oh, when blasters get it, it has to be improved. Growl..."
And now I'm confused at how I could have so many different reactions before I even finish reading about it. So, yeah. Ending with confused.
Ok so I am soooooo happy about the changes to EA, my stalker is gonna be awesome! i always hated the heal it had before.
One important question...
WILL EA HAVE THE TELEPORT RESISTANCE ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE? 
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Perhaps, but with proliferation of fire to Defenders a lot of my Nurses and Doctors are going to be fire fighters
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
This is as ridiculous as walking into a Hospital and screaming that all the Doctors and Nurses need to go down the road to fight a fire!
Different teams do different things. |
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O.O That is such a great idea!|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
You don't understand.
I have to make one now and experience the set as it is. And, just like with Fiery Aura, I will know him, how he plays and what he is capable of. Then, when the changes occur, I will log in and he will be IMMEASURABLY more powerful and fun to play! |
[Edit] Saddly then I realized Scrappers don't have it YET!
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Or...they had to change it for Blasters so they don't copy powers in the Dark Secondary and Soul Mastery.
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Originally Posted by Clawstriker
Well, I'm confused about the whole thing, unfortunately.
First I was overjoyed. "Yay! Now I can go remake my defender with dark blast as a blaster with dark blast, and enjoy the better... wait a minute. I don't want to make her again." Then I was insulted. There wasn't a single thing in this proliferation that I'd be interested in. Then I was enraged. Reading about how they're changing it for blasters. "How dare the devs do this? What, it's fine for defenders, but not for blasters? Oh, when blasters get it, it has to be improved. Growl..." And now I'm confused at how I could have so many different reactions before I even finish reading about it. So, yeah. Ending with confused. |
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
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From what I can see there are two powers merging and one power being moved.|
Originally Posted by Clawstriker
Well, I'm confused about the whole thing, unfortunately.
First I was overjoyed. "Yay! Now I can go remake my defender with dark blast as a blaster with dark blast, and enjoy the better... wait a minute. I don't want to make her again." Then I was insulted. There wasn't a single thing in this proliferation that I'd be interested in. Then I was enraged. Reading about how they're changing it for blasters. "How dare the devs do this? What, it's fine for defenders, but not for blasters? Oh, when blasters get it, it has to be improved. Growl..." And now I'm confused at how I could have so many different reactions before I even finish reading about it. So, yeah. Ending with confused. |
Nightfall and Torrent are being combined into a single moderate damage cone that provides Knockback. Likely because Nightfall already exists for Blasters in Soul Mastery and they don't want to repeat powers. They did something similar for Stalker Ice Armor and Hibernate.
Dark Pit is being moved to Dark Manipulation, since mez effects are somewhat common in Blaster secondaries and not primaries.
So likely Aim is going to be added in, and another power made/added into the set to keep things more in line with the way Blasters have powers and effects laid out.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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EA is an underrated set today, but nevertheless I am digging the love it's getting. Nice changes.
I'm glad I'm finally going to be able to group two power sets together I've long wanted to try: SS and Regen. Very much looking forward to that coupling.
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It already does.
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang8565
Ok so I am soooooo happy about the changes to EA, my stalker is gonna be awesome! i always hated the heal it had before.
One important question... WILL EA HAVE THE TELEPORT RESISTANCE ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE? |
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
Wait...MA on tankers, that means Stone/MA tanks...Hehe Can't wait to see those Granite Monsters Kick, Flip, and Flop around!
This Fall is going to be sweet!!!
I'm hoping I can tint my new Dark/Dark Blaster's powers to look like Steam being rapidly discharged. To go with a Steampunk theme I've been sitting on! If not, or the skulls end up breaking it I'm sure I can come up with some (or 10) kind of concept!
Gidgettiy! I was so excited over getting a new Blaster that I missed the other notes, I can finally create a Thermal/Fire Defender too?!!? Oh my!! Is it Fall yet??
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Dark on Blasters looks interesting so I may give that a shot.
I am very... meh about the whole offering, since I've been going on about proliferation for the past 2 issues, its a massive shame that Dominators get no love, ok, we got a *wink wink* *nudge nudge* something is coming, but I'm trying to get excited about the rest of the offering.
I also think perhaps a trick was missed with stalkers not getting ice melee. Although that would require some work to make it stalker compatable, and lets be honest, the only reason I want it is for the awesome animation/gfx potential of a stalagmite appearing around your arm for AS...
Anyway I assume Chilling Embrace gets the Oppressive Gloom Suppressed when hidden treatment?
Dark/Fire Defender, here i come too....
The Energy Aura changes look fun... but a scaling recharge buff for the number of foes in range does not mesh with Repulse, now I don't want to accuse no one of playing that power, because probably lots of people do, but its just poor synergy at this point, can't you give scrappers and tankers the stun aura too?
Is Poison getting the modifications the MM playerbase have been screaming for for a while, or, except for a change to a power, is it getting ported pretty much as is?
Anyway, lots for me to do when this Proliferation hits while I wait for Time Manipulation and Titan Weapons...........oh wait, Time Manip too, dear lord I'll be having a lot of lowbies...
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*
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Originally Posted by Alexander_Drako
:( I love Nightfall, if Umbral Torrent will have KB on blasters thats one power im not looking forward to.
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im SOOOOOOOOOO excited for dark blast on blasters! Dark/Mental/Soul blaster will be soooo controlly/survivable/ DEADLY >:D
BUT... i dont like KB :( maybe theyll change it to KD? idk ill probably take it either way.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*
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NO. KB chances are horrid things, implements of Satan. 100% KB on a power makes it a wonderful positioning tool. Chances for KB cause scatter, because not everything gets knocked back.
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Originally Posted by theduke24
hopefully its only a minor chance?
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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I thought they'd already changed the Defender version to KD like they'd done with the MM Lich until I checked it just now |
Originally Posted by theduke24
im SOOOOOOOOOO excited for dark blast on blasters! Dark/Mental/Soul blaster will be soooo controlly/survivable/ DEADLY >
BUT... i dont like KB hopefully its only a minor chance? or maybe theyll change it to KD? idk ill probably take it either way. |
.Hopefully they'll take the opportunity to do something about it when making the new power.
Otherwise, pretty happy with what's been announced. I foresee at least a dark/* blaster, WM/* scrapper and a */EA scrapper in my near future. Also really, really, really hoping that Doms will get some sort of dark control/dark assault lovin
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I worry that Umbral Torrent will be a giant knockback cone. Please don't do that. This set looks like it will only have two AoEs besides the nuke, and if the one that does good damage also does KB, there will be a lot of dissent.
| We chose Dark Blast as it would be a fun control centric blast set for Blasters. The power set was changed slightly to make it a better fit for Blasters. Dark Pit was removed, Torrent and Nightfall were merged into a single power: Umbral Torrent, and then Aim and a new power Abyssal Gaze (a single target hold with a DoT component) were added to round out the set. |
Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster. -seebs, "How to Suck at CoH/CoV" Guide
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Please add tons of KB to it, thanks.|
Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
I worry that Umbral Torrent will be a giant knockback cone. Please don't do that. This set looks like it will only have two AoEs besides the nuke, and if the one that does good damage also does KB, there will be a lot of dissent.
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The only dissent will be from forum posters more interested in rewards per minute than having fun. KB haters are not a majority, just a vocal minority.
Thanks for all the new changes Paragon!
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Energy Drain no longer has a HEALING COMPONENT, instead it offers a small defense boost per target hit.
was that not added a while ago to help the set when something else was "adjusted"?
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lmao "only" two aoes|
Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
I worry that Umbral Torrent will be a giant knockback cone. Please don't do that. This set looks like it will only have two AoEs besides the nuke, and if the one that does good damage also does KB, there will be a lot of dissent.
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
Energy Drain no longer has a HEALING COMPONENT, instead it offers a small defense boost per target hit.
was that not added a while ago to help the set when something else was "adjusted"? . |
that heal was added to help the set, but it wasn't enough apparently
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This (although I don't necessarily need "tons"). I'm ok with having a KB power in the set. Just don't make it "chance of" as I'd prefer the predictability of 100% KB.
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Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
Please add tons of KB to it, thanks.
The only dissent will be from forum posters more interested in rewards per minute than having fun. KB haters are not a majority, just a vocal minority. Thanks for all the new changes Paragon! |
Different teams do different things.
Yep, different teams do different things. I do believe that is how it works BUT only a certain amount of resources are available. So they choose to use them on prolif. Only a finite amount of things can be put in each issue and they went with prolif. as one of the items for i21. I would have liked them to improve a lot of the TFs and SFs - anywhere from simple tweaks to an overhaul and new art...anything...so many of them just suck...