Discussion: The Intrepid Informer: Power Set Proliferation
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Alef_infinity,
Posted on: 2011-07-06 10:45 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
When is this going live? Cuz I just tried to make a dark/dark blaster and the option was not there.
Just saw the Ustream comments.. YAY Poison Buffs!!! My Mercs/Poison may finally push to 50! "Lock and Load boys.... Papa's gotta brand new bag..."
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Issue 21 - at the moment people think the release date is Autumn sometime
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Originally Posted by BeornAgain
When is this going live? Cuz I just tried to make a dark/dark blaster and the option was not there.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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My prayers have finally been answered!! It only took over a year XD
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Originally Posted by Avatea
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My Money was mid to late august - 19.5 came out Feb 1st, 20 came out mid April, so by Mid-Late July a few of us should get in the closed beta. Speaking of which... *checks e-mail*
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Originally Posted by Tired Angel
Issue 21 - at the moment people think the release date is Autumn sometime
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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Dark/Dark Blasters FTW!
Not only am I ecstatic about a new Blaster secondary, but given my love for mono-thematic powersets, this finally gives me a reason to create a blaster that either starts as or becomes a villain, and dips into the patron power pools. YES!!!
Also, I can't wait to try out the changes to Energy Aura on my Stalker. I applaud thee, Devs!
and as for "When" Black Pebble let "October" slip in a post not too long ago, so probably thereabouts.
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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I'm pretty sure that on Live Oppressive Gloom and Cloak of Fear don't break hide already. That was changed a while back.|
Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
If Stalker: Energy Aura: Disrupt doesn't break Hide, and Stalker: Ice Armor: Chilling Embrace doesn't break Hide, can we please get Stalker: Dark Armor: Cloak of Fear and Oppressive Gloom also changed to match? If not, why not?
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Energy Aura Revamp
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Favorite Hero: Computer (Empathy/Energy Blast Defender)
Favorite Villain: Gimp Computer (Fire Control/Psionic Assault Dominator)
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How many people took the power? That's a bigger indicator as to whether anyone would miss a power that could be obtained in a Power Pool choice.
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Originally Posted by Computer
I'm pretty sure that on Live Oppressive Gloom and Cloak of Fear don't break hide already. That was changed a while back.
Also: Did the Cottage rule get thrown out when Castle left? |
Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Not on a Scrapper or Brute it can't. (Not without Elude, anyway, which softcaps you all by itself with zero enhancements.)|
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
/SR can be softcapped without dumping IO's into it, it's all the other def sets that require IO's to become softcapped.
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With Weave and Combat Jumping added, all defensive powers 6-slotted with Defense SOs and no additional buffs from other powers (such as Parry) or Elude, the maximum defense you can get on a Scrapper/Brute is 41.5% on all positions.
(Of course, 6-slotting all those powers that way is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. A traditional 3 Defense SOs in each power caps Scrappers and Brutes at 39.2% to all positions.)
Stalkers make out a bit better due to Hide, and under the 6-slotted conditions above get a maximum of 46.1% to Melee and Ranged when visible and 50.7% when hidden. Their AoE defense is crazy when hidden, and still something like 49.2% when visible. (With more standard slotting, they also lose over 2% to each position for 43.6% to Melee and Ranged attacks.)
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
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Power Set Proliferation 3.0 is *not* going to help my alt-itis.
(This isn't a complaint, merely an observation.)
Issue 21: best issue or best issue ever? 
-Buxley
"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." -- Dr. Seuss
Yay!
*Does the Dark Blaster Happy Dance*
*... Which looks a lot like the Snoopy Dance.*
*... Just with more fuzzy black stuff.*
*... And a skull.*
@Brightfires - @Talisander
That chick what plays the bird-things...
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That isn't the point though. Whether or not the Cottage rule is in play could have some serious ramifications for other sets.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
How many people took the power? That's a bigger indicator as to whether anyone would miss a power that could be obtained in a Power Pool choice.
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Come to think of it, the changes to Poison's Poison Trap said in this thread is another example of this.
Also, I kinda liked Repulse
Favorite Hero: Computer (Empathy/Energy Blast Defender)
Favorite Villain: Gimp Computer (Fire Control/Psionic Assault Dominator)
Please oh please oh please someone point Synapse and Black Scorpion to the Official Poison Revamp Thread. The set needs additional changes than what is listed and you might as well get that in there before more archetypes are saddled with the problems!
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Dark Blast/Dark Manipulation for Blasters!!! Been waiting a LONG time for this one! I can't wait!
Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster. -seebs, "How to Suck at CoH/CoV" Guide
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Poison Trap has one use - a place to put Fortunata Hypnosis.|
Originally Posted by Computer
That isn't the point though. Whether or not the Cottage rule is in play could have some serious ramifications for other sets.
Come to think of it, the changes to Poison's Poison Trap said in this thread is another example of this. Also, I kinda liked Repulse |
Take Whirlwind instead and throw an extra run IO in swift to offset the -spd.
Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Imagine those of us who have been praying since 2004! |
Originally Posted by Denji
My prayers have finally been answered!! It only took over a year XD
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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You forgot maneuvers and hover.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Not on a Scrapper or Brute it can't. (Not without Elude, anyway, which softcaps you all by itself with zero enhancements.)
With Weave and Combat Jumping added, all defensive powers 6-slotted with Defense SOs and no additional buffs from other powers (such as Parry) or Elude, the maximum defense you can get on a Scrapper/Brute is 41.5% on all positions. (Of course, 6-slotting all those powers that way is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. A traditional 3 Defense SOs in each power caps Scrappers and Brutes at 39.2% to all positions.) |
3slotting each:
Toggles: 21.645
Passives: 8.775
Hover: 2.925
Combat Jumping: 2.925
Weave: 5.85
Manuevers: 3.549
Total Defense: 45.669
Softcapped without IOs.
EDIT: I am available to assist in testing out Tank-SR and Blaster-Dark/Dark.
Be well, people of CoH.
I like - Poison for Controllers, and particularly Corruptors; and the apparent improvements(?) to Energy Aura.
I don't like - No Super Strength for Scrappers yet.
Everything else is OK, but probably won't get a lot of use from me based on what ATs and powersets I normally play.
(Sometimes, I wish there could be a Dev thumbs up button for quality posts, because you pretty much nailed it.) -- Ghost Falcon
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Again, I'm not arguing those powers' usefulness, its the bigger picture behind the change.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Poison Trap has one use - a place to put Fortunata Hypnosis.
Take Whirlwind instead and throw an extra run IO in swift to offset the -spd. |
Does Whirlwind suppress when Hidden? I've never tried it before.
Favorite Hero: Computer (Empathy/Energy Blast Defender)
Favorite Villain: Gimp Computer (Fire Control/Psionic Assault Dominator)
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You wont' have to, however depending on whether or not you took conserve power, you might want to, as its going to be the same as energize in electric armor, which means it is a new major component of EA's overall defenses
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Originally Posted by ThePill
that would be nice.
Will I have to respec? |
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
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Very awesome - thanks for adding this in for those of us who don't listen to the ustreams.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
From the Ustream notes: "Posion has had a quasi-revamp with improvements to the set. Current design in beta is that Poison has Venom and Weaken having small AoE effects with half the effect of original that is on the base target. The heal has been buffed. Poison Trap has intial hold instead of initial sleep, and has a Recovery debuff." |
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
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Gotta go with you on this one Bill. I've inquired about this with the devs at a convention a few years ago, and was told that would would probably never happen, but I am STOKED that it did!!!!! I've been wanting to make a Dark/Dark Blaster forever. Which means I will finally be able to make Kerithias Black, Son of Jack the Ripper!(still working out background story.) SWEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Dark/Dark for blasters? I was also told that wasn't ever likely. I'll be sure to make one.
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So if I am reading this right then Dark Blast will have Tenebrous Tentacles? That means we can have Tenebrous Tentacles and Soul Tentacles? If so saaaawheeeet!
Win.
TargetOne
"If you two don't work this out RIGHT NOW, I'm turning this invasion around and going home!" - Emperor Cole
Disappointed and unimpressed.
The devs came to my house, tossed my freshly hatched kittens in a bag and drowned them in my bathtub, making me pay for the water that drowned my kittens. You will never hear about it on the news though, Black "Ops" Pebble is just that good.