I give this idea 4 thumbs up. Also get rid of Stalkers and MMs they're both useless too. Maybe Corr's next.
i21 will be the same as previous issues in that:
the game is based on SO slotting.
Is an Electric Armor Brute as survivable as an Electric Armor Tank with SO's?
What about Shield Defence with SO's?
Any AT comparison is based on SO's not IO Sets.
Yes I can make my Brute's Defence as high as a Tank with IO Sets but Ill loose +HP, +Regen, +Rech, +Dam, etc.
I did an IO Set build ages ago for my SD/BA Tank in Mids and got him to just shy of 60% Def to all 3 positions (think I had 62% for Ranged??).
BUT lost a LOT of +HP and +Rech and +Recovery which made him (in MY opinion) unplayable.
Instead I went for an average of 52% Def on all 3 (still well above soft-cap) and rounded out other areas. Im often a Main Tank on ITF's that we run at higher levels which as we know has a LOT of -Def.
I laugh when Im standing there Taunting the CIM's around me and hearing all their swishing noises as they miss. I sometimes feel slack as if Im holding them while my teams mates beat up on them. Sometimes.
Can some Brutes be as good as Tanks with the same sets? Yes they can.
Can ALL Brutes be as good as Tanks with the same sets? No.
We are allowed diversity in out powerset choices so a Tank is not the same as the next Tank. Different Tanks can do different things.
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I lol'd.
When you can show me a Brute that can take as much punishment and hold as much aggro as a comparable Tanker can (i.e. similar/same power sets), come back. If anything, it would make more sense to get rid of the Brute, since it could be considered the middle ground AT between Scrappers and Tankers. But that notion is only slightly less crazy. |
Yes, tankers can take more punishment than brutes. But the thing is that the large majority of the time that extra survivability is overkill. You simply don't need it. If you take team buffs into account most of the tankers inherent advantages even dissapear. Most defenses and resists end up capped anyway. You're just left with your higher hp (and regen), which hardly ever come into play.
The same thing with agro management. If you focus on it a bit instead of going pure RAAAARG SMASH it isn't really hard on a brute.
The first time I saw a LRSF starting a few days after GR went live. The leader was refusing to go without a tanker and an empath on the team. I almost choked of laughter. My Invul brute has been acting as a 'tank' on the LRSF succesfully for years.
Or the time I was on an ITF where the team had 4 brutes and the teamleader turned down people on a blaster and controllers because he wanted a tank, and then got pissy at me because I said we didn't need one with this many agro magnets and that I'd take the AV tanking role. He eventually got his tank only to have him lag behind or die practicly everytime he did go in first... Yes, I was insufferably smug for most the second half of the TF. (at the teamlead, not the tank who obviously was a newer player doing his best.)
I'm not even talking about tricked out softcapped builds (something which is imo highly overrated with all the defense buffs you get on the average (villain) team). My ss/invul brute is a concept build, with an IO build focussed on +health and +rec bonusses. I also don't have hasten, or multi stacking rage. (though I have added a number of Lotg's 7.5% that I got off merit rolls a while back.)
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I really have nothing at all to say to the OP.
Instead, I'll let this speak for itself.
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Him and a friends Dominator Duo'd the LGTF.
Tanks have every opportunity to be as nasty as Brutes, and they don't need Fury to do it. This whole 'Brutes are better balanced' thing is fallacy. Tanks and Brutes are just as valuable today as they always have been.
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I'm in favour of increasing the choices available to players, not reducing them.
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Defenders and Tankers are obsolete ATs.
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
Like I tell anyone that considers rolling a Tanker... "Make a Brute. They're like Tankers... but fun!"
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- "Make a Dominator. They're like Controllers... but fun!"
- "Make a Scrapper. They're like Brutes... but fun!"
- "Make a Corruptor. They're like Blasters... but fun!"
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I'll be honest, I skipped over a lot of this thread, mainly just looking for the OP to come back and support his suggestion. But up to this point, it hadn't happened. But then I realized something...
Misdirection.
The OP wants you to think this is about the villain ATs outclassing the heroic ATs, but there was something else they put into the 'idea'...
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See? It's not about Brutes being better than tankers! It's all about getting the AT and powerset respecs! Cause if the devs give it out once, even in such an absurd and and lubriciously ignorant reason as to delete two ATs completely, you know that then everyone will say it possible, and cry that much more for it.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
For current Defenders and Tankers, issue a one time AT and power set respec token and force them to use it when they next log on."
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Clever troll is clever... but still a troll.
While I love corruptors, I could never see ridding of Fenders CL. It's really to which dividend you want rewarding you. It's great to scourge on a corruptor, but the buff/debuff is a secondary and will never equal that of a Fender due in part to Vigilance.
Again, I love corruptors.. but I love Fenders as much and for different reasons and applications.
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Yeah, they've got a fair variety in tone. After all, a Strat and a Telecaster don't sound exactly alike (much less a Jaguar, and that's without getting into special editions,) and Precision and Jazz bases do have a bit of a different feel. Then yo get into the amps....
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Originally Posted by Braije
Again, I love corruptors.. but I love Fenders as much and for different reasons and applications.
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When a team is on the verge of being wiped, there are things a Defender can do to prevent that which the analogous Corruptor can not.
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add two new archetypes, a ranged archetype with higher buff modifiers and a lower damage modifier than Defenders called the Eminator and a melee archetype with higher health and lower damage than Tankers called the Sarcophagus.
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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid
See? It's not about Brutes being better than tankers! It's all about getting the AT and powerset respecs! Cause if the devs give it out once, even in such an absurd and and lubriciously ignorant reason as to delete two ATs completely, you know that then everyone will say it possible, and cry that much more for it.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah, they've got a fair variety in tone. After all, a Strat and a Telecaster don't sound exactly alike (much less a Jaguar, and that's without getting into special editions,) and Precision and Jazz bases do have a bit of a different feel. Then yo get into the amps....
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As did NEW COKE, but look where it is
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
When a team is on the verge of being wiped, there are things a Defender can do to prevent that which the analogous Corruptor can not.
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@Celestial Lord and @Celestial Lord Too
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Such as?
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Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
You realize, that depending personal individual taste (the above being yours and not in any way mine) you could swap the words around and say all manner of crazy, wacky things (that I do not agree with) and not limit yourself to a single one liner. How about:
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- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Controllers... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Dominators... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Masterminds... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Tanks... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Blasters... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Scrappers... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Brutes... but awesome!"
- "Make a MFing Warshade. They're like Stalkers... but really awesome!"
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you could swap the words around and say all manner of crazy, wacky things (that I do not agree with) and not limit yourself to a single one liner.
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"Make a Brute. They're like Tankers... but fun!"
"Tankers... They're like fun. but Make a Brute!"
"like Tankers make fun... They're a Brute but!"
"They're fun Tankers. Brute... Make like a but!"
"like Brute Tankers... but They're a fun Make!"
"Make fun! but They're a Brute like Tankers..."
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Is this thread a joke?
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Is this thread a joke?
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Is it one now? Yep.
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Intentionally, not sure.
Is it one now? Yep. |
Nice work.
I wasn't sure if I should humor it with a serious response or not.
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