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Originally Posted by winterminal
i lol'd.
When you can show me a brute that can take as much punishment and hold as much aggro as a comparable tanker can (i.e. Similar/same power sets), come back. If anything, it would make more sense to get rid of the brute, since it could be considered the middle ground at between scrappers and tankers. But that notion is only slightly less crazy. |
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
Now that the game is going free to play in an effort to attract new players, and Issue 21 will allow everyone to start any AT on either side, it's time to get rid of Defenders and Tankers.
Defenders and Tankers are obsolete ATs. There's no real point to them now. Everything they can do, a Corruptor and Brute can do just as well while pumping out more damage. Best to just get rid of them so new players don't wind up making them, only to play them and become bitterly disappointed that their Corruptor and Brute cohorts do more damage and are just as survivable. For current Defenders and Tankers, issue a one time AT and power set respec token and force them to use it when they next log on. Like I tell anyone that considers rolling a Tanker... "Make a Brute. They're like Tankers... but fun!" |
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Yes, both Shield Defense/Super Strength, and Super Strength/Shield Defense will hit the soft cap, but Shield Defense/Super Strength will have more Defense Debuff Resistance, more hit points, will see more bonus from Aid Self, and have higher resists.
Also, Tanker Grant Cover provides almost 3% more defense at base.
There's more to survivability than the soft cap.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I lol'd.
When you can show me a Brute that can take as much punishment and hold as much aggro as a comparable Tanker can (i.e. similar/same power sets), come back. If anything, it would make more sense to get rid of the Brute, since it could be considered the middle ground AT between Scrappers and Tankers. But that notion is only slightly less crazy. |
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Originally Posted by HardRider
Excuse me but my Stone Melee/Invul brute has out done some tanks of the same powersets in the past. so saying brutes are out of date is also
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ah well may as well chime in and join what definately qualifies as a majority opinion here.......... NO (did I make that large enough?)
When a Brute can hold aggro as well as a Tank come back and chat with us again. I have done ITFs with a Brute serving as the only Aggro control against Romulus and found myself using my run and shoot abilities, honed to perfection on the Apex TF, to avoid certain death. Never had the same problem with a GOOD tanker along. I've got a controller that got one shotted by black Scorpion on the STF with a Brute doing aggro control... again never had the same problem with a tank along.
And as stated, numerous times, while my defenders don'y do as much damage I'll take the buff/debuff numbers they produce on any team I am on Anytime.
I have nothing against Brutes or Corruptors and play those as well but i see no reason to do away with Defenders or tanks. 
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To be clear: my previous post was not attacking Brutes, nor suggesting that Brutes be targeted as the AT to eliminate. Talk of eliminating any AT is ludicrous as far as I'm concerned. I was merely using the example of "Brutes vs. Tankers" to illustrate (apparently unsuccessfully) that each existing AT is unique and does what it does well. While there are always outlier examples, a Defender will buff/debuff better than a Corruptor while the Corruptor will out-damage the Defender (but not the Blaster), and the Tanker will hold aggro and survive longer than the Brute while the Brute will put out higher orange numbers.
The point is that some players prefer to be the "wall of defense" for their team, some prefer to run in with weapons flying and kill everything before it kills them, and some prefer a happy medium. There are some players who prefer to make their teammates uber-powerful while turning enemies into jelly, some who prefer to pump out the ranged damage, and some who prefer a happy medium. That being the case, there is absolutely no reason to even consider eliminating ATs.
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Originally Posted by MrDead
Define 'out done'.
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tho.. id admit..even now i still get out done by other invul tanks..maybe thats why the op really wants them gone..far too often his brute has failed compared to tanks and no longer handle the "apparently" shame of it all xd
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
Yes, both Shield Defense/Super Strength, and Super Strength/Shield Defense will hit the soft cap, but Shield Defense/Super Strength will have more Defense Debuff Resistance, more hit points, will see more bonus from Aid Self, and have higher resists.
Also, Tanker Grant Cover provides almost 3% more defense at base. There's more to survivability than the soft cap. |
A Shield tank can hit softcap with Weave, Maneuvers, Combat Jumping and ONE IO (Steadfast Res/Def). The tank is then free to focus slotting on things like recharge, regen and max HP, while the brute is still chasing the softcap.
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Without Defenders and Tankers, Brutes and Corruptors will become depressed there's nothing they outclass. I recommend we add two new archetypes, a ranged archetype with higher buff modifiers and a lower damage modifier than Defenders called the Eminator and a melee archetype with higher health and lower damage than Tankers called the Sarcophagus. That way Defenders and Tankers will also have a reason to be happy.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
Now that the game is going free to play in an effort to attract new players, and Issue 21 will allow everyone to start any AT on either side, it's time to get rid of Defenders and Tankers.
Defenders and Tankers are obsolete ATs. There's no real point to them now. Everything they can do, a Corruptor and Brute can do just as well while pumping out more damage. Best to just get rid of them so new players don't wind up making them, only to play them and become bitterly disappointed that their Corruptor and Brute cohorts do more damage and are just as survivable. For current Defenders and Tankers, issue a one time AT and power set respec token and force them to use it when they next log on. Like I tell anyone that considers rolling a Tanker... "Make a Brute. They're like Tankers... but fun!" |
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
Now that the game is going free to play in an effort to attract new players, and Issue 21 will allow everyone to start any AT on either side, it's time to get rid of Defenders and Tankers.
Defenders and Tankers are obsolete ATs. There's no real point to them now. Everything they can do, a Corruptor and Brute can do just as well while pumping out more damage. Best to just get rid of them so new players don't wind up making them, only to play them and become bitterly disappointed that their Corruptor and Brute cohorts do more damage and are just as survivable. For current Defenders and Tankers, issue a one time AT and power set respec token and force them to use it when they next log on. Like I tell anyone that considers rolling a Tanker... "Make a Brute. They're like Tankers... but fun!" |
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Get rid of Celestial_Lord.
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You aren't really giving him a chance. I mean, sure, his suggestion is half crazy. You could get rid of the Tanks, but no one could ever take getting rid of Defenders seriously!
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
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Get rid of Celestial_Lord. Signed, The Tanks and Defenders of the COH franchise. |
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How does additional Defense for everyone else help the survivability for the tanker?
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
Also, Tanker Grant Cover provides almost 3% more defense at base.
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