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I was thinking that as well, he would make a great kind of Brigadier type character
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
I hope they bring back Canton, too. Mark Sheppard is freaking awesome.
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I do want to say there have been some hints that Timelords are stronger than humans over the years
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Originally Posted by JKCarrier
A Timelord with superhuman strength. Maybe there's a bit of Auton Rory in the mix somehow as well?
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Well, when the Master when nuts and unleashed all of the energy in his body he could fly and throw lightning and I think had super strength.|
Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
I do want to say there have been some hints that Timelords are stronger than humans over the years
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However, this seems to be killing him pretty quickly. It even seems unfixable by regeneration "all this body can do is die."
So, maybe this Time Girl is having the same problems, she was dying, but said she could fix it... but for her to know that shows she must have done that before. She could be constantly regenerating, but it's only giving her a limited reprieve before her unleashed energy starts killing her again and she needs to regenerate again.
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I'm still unclear on what Rory is. Amy 'reset' everything at the end of last season, so he should be human. But he has memories of waiting 2000 years for her, which means he's an auton.|
Originally Posted by JKCarrier
A Timelord with superhuman strength. Maybe there's a bit of Auton Rory in the mix somehow as well?
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Hey, this could be the source of the schrodinger fetus. Is Rory an auton or not? Amy might not have decided. That would determine whether or not he could sire a child.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
I'm still unclear on what Rory is. Amy 'reset' everything at the end of last season, so he should be human. But he has memories of waiting 2000 years for her, which means he's an auton.
Hey, this could be the source of the schrodinger fetus. Is Rory an auton or not? Amy might not have decided. That would determine whether or not he could sire a child. |
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Well the Doctor did warn them and they did not listen to him, Doctor Always try to find a Peaceful way to solve a problem first. Doctor always warn his Emeries to back down ,if that emeries does not, then the doctor will stop them in any possible in order to save the human race, sound like the doctor to me.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
Does it bother anyone else that the Doctor just began the genocide of the Silence?
With that, and the gunfight at the end of the episode, this felt more like an episode of Torchwood than Doctor Who. The Doctor I know didn't kill things, and didn't let his companions go nuts with firearms, and tried everything he could to avoid genocide. This entire two-parter just felt wrong to me. |
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From all he's said I think he's human, he just has the memories from being an auton in that version of the universe.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
I'm still unclear on what Rory is. Amy 'reset' everything at the end of last season, so he should be human. But he has memories of waiting 2000 years for her, which means he's an auton.
Hey, this could be the source of the schrodinger fetus. Is Rory an auton or not? Amy might not have decided. That would determine whether or not he could sire a child. |
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I'm thinking that there are two parallel time lines now. The Doctor's idle question to Rory about his remember wasn't so idle I think. And the answer was very illuminating. That sometimes he could remember and sometimes he didn't, like a door in his mind.
Wasn't that a prison on the other side of Amy's wall? What if the silence whispered to her a lot so that she freed them when the universe was reborn from her memory?
Over all an interesting episode and a lot of interesting setup. I also suspect the child links to River Song somehow.
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OK if Rory=Harry, Canton=Brigadier then that means either Amy or River= Sarah Jane
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
A throught: The Moff is recreating characters from the Dr Who he grew up with. Rory = Harry Sullivan, Canton = the Brigadier.
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Love his "welcome to America" moment. These two episodes are wonderful examples of how culturally, Britain and the US are like two long-time friends who can poke fun at each other's quirks. In some ways, the story is a love letter to the homeland of the American fans.
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Rory comes tearing out of the Tardis "They're Americans! They're Americans!", and the Doctor's instantly trying to talk them down from shooting.
The Confidentials are also different from the Doctor Who In America programs (though they share some material).
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Like how Brits think Americans are all cowboys and Americans think Brits prefer to boil their food until the flavor goes away!
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I'm thinking that there are two parallel time lines now. The Doctor's idle question to Rory about his remember wasn't so idle I think. And the answer was very illuminating. That sometimes he could remember and sometimes he didn't, like a door in his mind.
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I'm pretty sure Rory is human after the universe reboot, because that's how Amy remembers him, just with Auton-Rory's memories.
Huh. Technically, Rory is older than the Doctor.
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Originally Posted by High_Jinks
I still wanna' know why the Silence weren't rockin' more casual duds. It's like no one's going to remember you, why not dress with a little flair?
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>.> Remember the people behind this production was sly enough to show us the future and the present occurring simultaneously and have it so a majority of us not pick it up.
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"You're not going to kill the only person that can answer your questions, are you?"
"Doctor! They're Americans!" "Oh! Right! Sorry! Please don't shoot!" Like sometimes Amy is pregnant and sometimes she isn't? I'm pretty sure Rory is human after the universe reboot, because that's how Amy remembers him, just with Auton-Rory's memories. Huh. Technically, Rory is older than the Doctor. -np |
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It's a riff on the Men in Black -- mysterious people dressed in black suits that exist on the edge of perception.
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I still wanna' know why the Silence weren't rockin' more casual duds. It's like no one's going to remember you, why not dress with a little flair?
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Nice build
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Originally Posted by Dark One
And why did they look...sticky?
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Great episode. Loved it. A few thoughts.
The Negative:
Starting to get a bit annoyed with Moffat's usage of perception filters. It seems a bit over done. First the Angels that can only move when you are not looking and now the Silence that you forget when you're not actively looking at them. Seems a bit over done. On the Silence, I get the whole markings on the hand to remember, but how or why would you tally on you're own face? Unless you had a mirror at all times, how would that help? Assuming they weren't marking their faces, then who was?
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Really hoping they bring Canton back. He was a very cool character and seemed to adapt to the bizarre situation rather well. Seems like precisely the sort of person the Doctor would like to have around. Is he technically the first openly gay character to Doctor Who? IMHO, Jack Harkness does not count. Loved the last exchange between Canton and Nixon.
Continuity and my theory...sort of.
Much of this episode (counting the two as one episode), made me think of "Amy's Choice". Specifically, Amy being pregnant, some unknown force taking control of the TARDIS, and the Doctor blowing up the TARDIS. In "Amy's Choice" the Doctor claims The Dream Lord was actually the Doctor, but there is that cliff hanger reflection at the very end. Amy had to chose which world was a dream, where in the one she was pregnant and not pregnant in the other. Considering how well Moffat drops hints in early episodes, suddenly that episode seems more significant.
So.... parallel universes somehow colliding and only one can be saved....? The other universe is slight ahead of ours, so they know the score...?
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... Is he technically the first openly gay character to Doctor Who? ...
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Canton is (was) an openly gay character? I must have missed something in the 2 episodes....
Or are you talking about the actual actor?
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Canton is (was) an openly gay character? I must have missed something in the 2 episodes....
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Early on, we're told Canton was forced out of the FBI because he wanted to get married.
In the last exchange between Canton and Nixon it's revealed he wants to marry a black man.
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Ya, it was along the lines of the Doctor telling Nixon that Canton getting married would be a good thing. After DW left, Nixon asked Canton if she's black (remember the time frame, 1969, that would've been pretty scandalous, if not illegal). Canton responded that "Yes, he is.".|
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No, I mean the character.
Early on, we're told Canton was forced out of the FBI because he wanted to get married. In the last exchange between Canton and Nixon it's revealed he wants to marry a black man. |
Nixon responded something like they've made enough upset with the aliens and doing anything more at that moment would be too much. Or something along those lines.
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Ya, it was along the lines of the Doctor telling Nixon that Canton getting married would be a good thing. After DW left, Nixon asked Canton if she's black (remember the time frame, 1969, that would've been pretty scandalous, if not illegal). Canton responded that "Yes, he is.".
Nixon responded something like they've made enough upset with the aliens and doing anything more at that moment would be too much. Or something along those lines. |
Oh I must have missed that...
I'll be honest, there were quite a few things said in episode 2 that I couldn't hear/understand so maybe that was one of them heh.
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The Doctor I know didn't kill things, and didn't let his companions go nuts with firearms, and tried everything he could to avoid genocide.
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IIRC "My Old Man/Lady" is an American (Biker?) term for "Other Half".
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Like how Brits think Americans are all cowboys and Americans think Brits prefer to boil their food until the flavor goes away!
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For instance, it's not clear to me exactly what anyone gained by going through the capture charade at the beginning of part two. At first I assumed that the Silent had brainwashed the authorities against the Doctor and crew, but then it became clear that Nixon was on the Doctor's side throughout. So was it just the official-looking dudes at Area 51 who were, for no obvious reason, intent on capturing the Doctor? If so, how'd they hook up with our friend the disgraced former FBI agent? If getting Nixon to visit the top-secret base and exonerate the Doctor worked later, then why didn't the Doctor do that in the first place? For that matter, what narrative purpose was served by that bit of the episode?
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I was just thinking of another alternative.
The description River gives of her first meeting with the Doctor, when she was talking with Rory, didn't it sound awefully like Amy and the Doctor's first meeting?
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River is at least as proficient with the Tardis as the Doctor, while other companions have been known to occasionally pilot the TARDIS, name one companion who isn't Susan or Romana( that is non-Gallefrayan) who is as least as good as the Doctor. The only third one I can think of is Donna when she briefly was Doctor Donna( and carrying a little bit of the Doctor in her, sidenote, even though the Gallefrayan part of her is suppressed, would anyone of her descendants end up being full Gallefrayan???)
River is proficent in Ancient Galllifrayen, again the same ones as above
I'm not including K-9 obviously b/c he is a robot
Unanswered questions I'd love to learn the answers to:
Whatever happened to Susan?
Whatever happened to the Doctor's Daughter from season 4
Was Romana that Time Lady we saw in End of Time( i'm sorry the bit about that being his previously unmentioned or seen Mommy just doesn't have the same impact)
The 'prison' they built likely is meant for 2 things - a place to hide from the silence during the info gathering period and it may also be a prison for someone later.
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