Death penalty

8) Stacking Debuffs makes sense, it curbs aggro(SCRAPPER)lock and encourages fighting with the team.

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11. Time Out.

Which CoH uses by having you rez in hospitals and trudge back to your fight. Sort of half of the corpse run. Toggling up and running back is the minimum Time Out penalty. Then you can add timed doors, like with the iTrials, which, depending on when you rezzed in hospital can be anywhere from 1-20 seconds. Although, since there's an inspiration vendor there, a timed door may be actually doing you a favor...

I like the system we have for penalty for Dying a little bit of xp dept.

I know a few people here that say it isn't fun unless you have died once! and having little or no pentalty for dying means you can do crazy things and not have to worry about dying too much..

I think i'll try and take on that group of 8 mobs 4 lv higher than me and see if I survive!

Doing crazy thigns with this risk of dying should be fun. Risk vs reward.

I would think it goes without saying that a death penalty should fit the game. It should be something that makes sense in that game's lore. Like a lot of others in this thread, I think CoX's current penalty works fine. It's minimal...but that's kind of how the comicbook superhero genre works: they get smacked down a time or two, then pick themselves up, utter something grandiose, and jump back into the fight.

Fallen Earth has a good penalty system. You get "cloning sickness" that begins when you rez in the cloner and lasts for a few minutes. It's basically a debuff of a handful of attributes. It also has stages, so if you die several times in a row, the debuff starts being rather less mild...a not-very-subtle clue that you might need to change your approach a bit. There's also some gear degradation, but it's quite mild. You have to faceplant a lot before your stuff starts to break (and then it's reparable multiple times before it's ruined for good). Works well for that game...just like CoX's current system works well in this one.

A death penalty system I'd like to see is a combination of 3 and 8. When you die you get a stacking -stats debuff, 10% per death, which either goes away when you level up next or you can spend the same % of your total level XP to pay it off. That way, you can work off your death penalty with some elbow grease, or you can pay it off at the expense of 10%+ of your total XP bar.

On the #1, perma death, I've always though there should be some difficult but paced (level wise, like only once every 15-30 levels) ingame content you can run in order to get extra lives. Make it difficult to do, so more likely to die in the process, but if you succeed you've got an extra life for the rest of the game. Risk vs reward, bam!

Honestly, the one we have is just fine. Maybe #10 with someone else's suggestion to make it harsher by having citizens point and laugh at you while you head back from the hospital.

Players do give drops, from inspires to 3 billion inf recipes.

Offhand I should mention my last two MMOs had really horrible death penalties.

The first one was Ragnarok Online, where you lost 1% experience if you died. It doesn't sound like a lot, but at high levels, 1% exp might take you 1-3 hours to earn. For more casual players it could eliminate an entire day's worth of work, and make you extremely paranoid of dying -- even if was due to an accident or mistake.

The other one was Guild Wars. I really didn't like their system. You rezzed with -20% HP/end and had to work off the penalty over time. It would continue to stack if you died more, up to -60%. But each death would increase the odds of you dying again, and in certain scenarios, the huge decrease in HP would mean the tasks just became impossible to overcome. The unannounced failure became a frustrating experience as you just tried over and over again until you finally gave up out of annoyance. The penalty was also harsh enough that people would often just leave teams after one or two deaths, causing the entire group to have to quit.

I like our system fine. Besides, there are way too many things that can kill people effortlessly to impose a severe death penalty. In fact, our lack of a severe penalty (and the fact that people have for-fun powers that rez, and inspirations are easy to come by) actually makes those super powerful attacks okay. If we got huge penalties for dying to Pylons and their 350 foot range DoT attacks or any of the numerous AVs that can do more than 1500 damage in one attack, all those things would have to be reevaluated and rebalanced.

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Bring back Debt 1.0. The Debt 3.0 we have is not even noticeable.

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