Defense and Incarnate trials?

I've been hearing about mobs in Incarnate trials having higher to-hit and therefore hosing defense based characters. I know some Battle Drones give to-hit buffs and the towers are either autohit or extremely accurate, but do other mobs in general have inherently higher chances to hit?

Yes, the base to hit chance fo most incarnate mobs is 64% instead of 50%. It doesn't hose defense based characters but does make them more relaint of having some support. Most trials seems ot have a lot of defense buffs floating around however so it's not as bad as it sounds.

It's entirely the stacked drones people are talking about. 9CUs increase tohit over time, but that's their shtick.

Yup. That have a base chance to hit of 64% rather than the usual 50%.

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Originally Posted by reiella Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

Thanks... so I basically need around 13-14% extra S/L defense to keep my Blaster softcapped and even then orbs or letting the 9CUs hang around too long can be trouble. Not too bad... one VEAT or a couple people running Maneuvers should be enough to be fairly safe. Or, as safe as a Blaster gets around +4 mobs anyway.

(Or maybe I should just use the max damage build with the fast recharging Rise of the Phoenix on these... if they're going to try that hard to give me an extra chance to nuke every couple minutes who am I to say no? )

The devs claimed the game wasn't made harder to compensate for IOs. (I'm sure they made the Incarnate trials harder for the forumgoers who complain that it's too easy, though!)

In addition to their somewhat higher ToHit (assuming you guys are right), you're fighting +3 bosses (unless you've got your Incarnate level shifts), aren't you? +3 enemies have 1.3x as much accuracy as +0 enemies of the same rank, and bosses have 1.3x as much accuracy as minions. Rather than your enemies having a 5% minimum hit chance like +0 minions, you're looking at ~1.7x as much: about 8.5%.

Say you were soft-capped against normal enemies, with 45% on the nose. These guys have a ToHit of 19% against you, and then you multiply by their accuracy to get a final hit chance of 32%. Hope you have a couple allies with Maneuvers. :P

First thing I should mention that my main toon is also a Fire/Fire blaster...so far he's the only toon I bothered taking on the trials.

Being softcapped to S/L on the trials isn't really going to help a lot of toons...Since a lot of the damage there seems to be Ranged/AoE Energy damage by the 9CUs and MKVs. The IDF toons don't really do all that much damage. I found out that eating a lot of oranges is the saving grace for my blaster when I'm going into melee range. He used to be softcapped to S/L, but currently I took him down to 33% S/L and a resist based epic shield [From Mu Mastery actually..the Energy resist comes in quite handy], which actually helps. Pop a mid purple to hit the cap against the IDFs and some oranges to mitigate the damage from the robot people. Of course...the Seer type enemies...just kill them before they kill you, lol.

Simply put, endgame stuff screws MMs big time. I pity those that don't have inate defences like Bots/Traps does, because trying to imagine my guy with just SOs, for example, is a very painful image.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

For a long time the soft cap has been the holy grail for characters (scrappers are a very good example), and players have sacrificed to achieve it. For years people have been told their character is not survivable enough because of the lack of +def in their builds. I have always disagreed with this notion.

Characters that are designed to have +def as a focus should be fine on these trials. The real problem will occur for those who have sacrificed other things to achieve the soft cap, and ignored the focus of the power set. Again scrappers come to mind.

I do hope these trials usher in a new way of thinking for builds, but old habits die hard so I doubt it will.

I was pretty concerned with this since only my /sr scrapper has an alpha level shift, so she was going to be my main incarnate-trial character.

After doing a few: don't worry. Yes, you're a little less survivable, but in a 16-to24 man event, you're bound to have more than enough tanks (or other AT that's capable of acting as a tank) to meat-shield everything.

When they're filling their role right (read: remembering that their best way to contribute to DPS is to keep the high-dps squishies alive... NOT all pound on the big guy while the squishies do hospital runs after all the other littler baddies stomp em) you'll find that they easily reduce enough of the attacks aimed at you to make up for the +toHit difference.

Well...

Oh where to begin!

I dont know about their defense, but my bubbles...which have always worked well deflecting stuff, now don't. Resistance seems to have a better time.

at first i was a bit miffed that my Widow who is well over soft cap defense was getting splattered left, right and center. repeatedly. seemingly without effort of the enemy.

then i remembered that these were +4 and that odds were the neutral point for the trial was designed with +3 level shifts in mind and 2-3 full teams of buffs. possibly more level shifts down the line as well.

still, the humbling experience also made me realize its not the usual buff up, debuff, ground and pound tactics of previous TF/SF/Trials and that you need to organize, work together and follow orders to get it done.

all in all i like it.

What is this "defense" you people speak of? I ask cause it doesn't sound like you mean "hit things fast and hard as possible before they hurt you too much"