Daredevil: Born Again (the movie, that is)


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Word from the Hollywood Reporter is that even after the twin disasters of Ben Affleck's Daredevil and Jennifer Garner's Elektra, 20th Century Fox is in talks with director David Slade about a new Daredevil movie. Although Slade was passed over to direct the Wolverine retry, his track record is solid enough, with previous films Hard Candy, 30 Days of Night, and The Twilight Saga: Eclipse, along with a variety of music videos and short films. Better still, sources say that the Affeck-less sequel will follow the acclaimed Born Again storyline, a.k.a. the last good Daredevil story Frank Miller ever wrote.


 

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This is a remake/reboot I can actually get behind. The Affleck 'Daredevil' was horrible, and I'd like to see the character done well on the big screen.


 

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This is a remake/reboot I can actually get behind. The Affleck 'Daredevil' was horrible, and I'd like to see the character done well on the big screen.
That movie wasn't great, but I don't think it was nearly a bad as everyone makes it out to be. It has become chic to pan it, regardless. The sad thing is that the material, Daredevil in general and the Miller/Bullseye/Elektra thread specifically, was so amazingly good that the film can only disappoint.

I'll give any Daredevil movie an honest chance.


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That movie wasn't great, but I don't think it was nearly a bad as everyone makes it out to be. It has become chic to pan it, regardless. The sad thing is that the material, Daredevil in general and the Miller/Bullseye/Elektra thread specifically, was so amazingly good that the film can only disappoint.

I'll give any Daredevil movie an honest chance.

I agree . . . and the director's cut is a bit better than the theatrical release. I was never a Daredevil fan, but I enjoyed the film as a popcorn type of movie -- certainly not great, but overall enjoyable. Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin? I didn't mind the race change because I really like MCD and never thought that Kingpin's race was important.

The playground fight was a bit silly, however.

I would look forward to a new version and would plan to see it unless it got bad reviews.


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Daredevil had a production budget of $78 million & made a worldwide gross of over $179 million, I wouldn’t call it a disaster.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=daredevil.htm


Even Elektra (which I thought was terrible, on par with Uwe Boll Films) managed to pull off a profit with the worldwide totals.

Production Budget $43 million
Worldwide Totals over $56 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=elektra.htm
No matter how bad people generally thought these movies were the literal "bottomline" is all that matters.
If these movies did in fact make a statistically significant profit they will be ripe rebooting/remaking sooner or later.


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Im digging seeing another Daaredevil movie, but the first one was a pretty decent movie. the theatrical was alright, certainly not a great movie, and nowhere near as popular as the other comic films out at the time, but still a fun movie. the director's cut was far better though. when i hear people kvetch about the movie, the main reason is usually Ben Affleck. but i think he did alright. he worked in it about as well as Tobey did in spider-man.


 

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Daredevil was awesome.......... people were way to hard on it.


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I Daredevil on opening weekend. I hated it. While Afleck did well as Murdock, it was his action sequences that made me groan. I could literally count the beats to his "martial arts" choreography.

I don't know if the writers / director were trying to pay homage to some of their other favorite dark hero films, like the Crow, but certain scenes like the flaming double D's felt more like a rip off than a homage. There were several other scenes that did this with other films.

I didn't buy into the entire self-trained martial artist / acrobat portion of his origin. I could understand teaching himself to see with his enhanced senses, but not the physical skills to the degree that he had obtained.

Bullseye was way over the top to the point were it was comical (no pun intended). I don't know who's to blame, the actor, writer, director or all three, but it was wrong. I also think that he should have been the main villain and the Kingpin (while I liked MCD as the character), should have stayed int he background. Fisk should have been portrayed as an upstanding businessman and positive community figure, they could have played with the race change as part of that role so much more. The character of the Kingpin should have not been revealed to be Fisk (even if fans knew) untilt he very end, and even then without the fight betweent he two, leaving the possiblity of a sequel open.

I think that this remake / reboot is more of an attempt by Fox to keep the movie rights to the character, while still hoping for a decent rate of return in profit. The Marvel studio has been doing such a good job with their films thus far, that I was hoping that DD would make it back under their control. One can always hope that Fox isn't going to rush this project just to keep the rights and that a better-than-the-original-attempt occurs.


 

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I was a little disappointed in Born Again. It started out okay then for some reason Cap and some weird dude with an American flag painted on him got involved.

I think I'd rather see an adaptation of the Out arc, where Kingpin gets toppled and Matt is outed as Daredevil.


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I was a little disappointed in Born Again. It started out okay then for some reason Cap and some weird dude with an American flag painted on him got involved.
Really? Cap is on, like, one page... total. Nuke, the "weird dude with an American flag painted on him" was in it considerably more, but he stands in stark contrast to Cap's minor presence, and is really the only reason he appears. Honestly, even with it's brevity, I thought it was one of the most powerful portrayals of Cap I had read to that point.


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Really? Cap is on, like, one page... total. Nuke, the "weird dude with an American flag painted on him" was in it considerably more, but he stands in stark contrast to Cap's minor presence, and is really the only reason he appears. Honestly, even with it's brevity, I thought it was one of the most powerful portrayals of Cap I had read to that point.
13 pages, actually, most of the last issue of that arc. I would have preferred the finale to be more about, y'know, Daredevil since it was his title and story and all. Just didn't care to see Cap hijack the end of it.


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Now I'm not a big DD fan myself. I thought the Affleck DD was ok. It on about the same footing as Ghost Rider and that's not saying much.

Do we honestly need another DD movie? I don't think so. I just don't feel it's needed.

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Daredevil is a hard movie to do IMO. He is kinda batman like in that he has no powers to speak of, atleast no super strenght etc. His powers mainly center around abilities that compensate for his loss of sight.

So the one thing i did like about that movie was that i think at the time they sought to seperate out the style of action. The batman movies have always been kinda lackluster in the hand to hand combat IMO. By the time you put someone under all that rubber in that batsuit there is only so much moviement you can attribute to him so you get more of the grappling hook, batpod kinda action.

Daredevil tried to keep it more in line with a bar room fight, which i liked. Afleck didnt IMO do a horrible job as the character. And for the time it was being made the effects were pretty decent. And while the story could have been better, i really for the most part enjoyed the film for what it was. Which IMO was a midlevel midbudget pre-summer movie season filler.

That being said i think that it could have been done better. Which hopefully this will be.

On a totally seperate note, Kevin Smith. Just wondering why with all the feedback and fanboi attention that is given to this director/writer, why has no studio signed him on to do one of this midlevel comic movies. It just seems like even if the movie stunk that Smith's ties to the community alone would assure a good opening that would probably atleast earn back your investment. And I for one would be intrested to see how he would treat a subject he himself was a fan of.


 

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On a totally seperate note, Kevin Smith. Just wondering why with all the feedback and fanboi attention that is given to this director/writer, why has no studio signed him on to do one of this midlevel comic movies. It just seems like even if the movie stunk that Smith's ties to the community alone would assure a good opening that would probably atleast earn back your investment. And I for one would be intrested to see how he would treat a subject he himself was a fan of.
Kevin Smith has said he's just too lazy to do a superhero action movie.

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I agree . . . and the director's cut is a bit better than the theatrical release. I was never a Daredevil fan, but I enjoyed the film as a popcorn type of movie -- certainly not great, but overall enjoyable. Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin? I didn't mind the race change because I really like MCD and never thought that Kingpin's race was important.

The playground fight was a bit silly, however.

I would look forward to a new version and would plan to see it unless it got bad reviews.
The playground fight was dumb as people should be wondering how a blind man is fighting like that.

Also the Director's Cut is better and is proof that editing can kill a movie.

Of course Ben Affleck does not help.


 

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I couldn't finish watching Daredevil. Affleck was so non-good that it was embarrassing. Fortunately he's improved substantially since then, but he was unprepared to carry a film at the time.

This news doesn't excite me, either. I thought 30 Days of Night completely missed the feel of the book, which was scary as hell. The movie was almost there, but it was too bright and had a distinct lack of menace.


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Word from the Hollywood Reporter is that even after the twin disasters of Ben Affleck's Daredevil and Jennifer Garner's Elektra, 20th Century Fox is in talks with director David Slade about a new Daredevil movie. Although Slade was passed over to direct the Wolverine retry, his track record is solid enough, with previous films Hard Candy, 30 Days of Night, and The Twilight Saga: Eclipse, along with a variety of music videos and short films. Better still, sources say that the Affeck-less sequel will follow the acclaimed Born Again storyline, a.k.a. the last good Daredevil story Frank Miller ever wrote.
Since when has making a 100million+ dollar profit just on ticket sales (so not including DVD sales) constituted a movie being a diaster?

I quite enjoyed the Darkdevil movie.

Elektra okay...didn't care for that one (and thusly dont own it)...but Daredevil was not a diaster.


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Why are people saying remake/reboot? The article specifically says it'll pickup where the last one left off.

It just says Affleck won't be returning to the role.


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but I don't think it was nearly a bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Yeah, yeah it was that bad.

Not quite FF42RotSS, but in the vicinity.


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Yeah, yeah it was that bad.

Not quite FF42RotSS, but in the vicinity.


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No way! I DD was good!


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Yeah, yeah it was that bad.

Not quite FF42RotSS, but in the vicinity.
I actually like FF2 -- I thought it captured the feel of the comic quite well and rather brilliantly handled the cosmic aspect of Galactus and the Silver Surfer. Galactus has always been an utterly ridiculous character, but they actually imbued him with world-ending menace. There wasn't much they could do about Jessica Alba, but aside from that particular flat spot, I thought the whole thing held together extremely well. I can't say the same for the first one, which was almost unbelievably clumsy in its construction and required that all the characters be idiots in order for the plot to move forward. At least in #2 they were actually smart and competent, exactly as the FF ought to be.


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I'll repeat what others have said. The director's cut of Daredevil is far superior to the theatrical release. If you've only seen the messed up version you need to check out what the movie could actually have been.


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Personally enjoy the Directors Cut of Daredevil (and ONLY the directors cut, as with Blade Runner, I've never seen the normal version), it wasn't great but it was enjoyable.

I didn't mind the race change of Kingpin because....well...is there anyone else out there with an actual Kingpin style body build and decent acting chops besides Michael Clarke Duncan?


 

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I'll give any Daredevil movie an honest chance.
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