Gilgamesh's place in City of's lore


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Now, this is kind of a silly thing to speculate on, but I felt I should try, and despite how I tend to dislike the Well hijacking everything. I felt it has a special place here, and maybe other folks could help piece this together?

Basically, I have this theory that Gilgamesh of Babylonian Mythology was the original Incarnate, in legend he is described as 'Two Thirds God, on third man' which is theoretically impossible unless... That last faction of divinity beyond half could be attributed to the Well's favor, and Gilgamesh describes EVERYTHING the Well would favor in an Incarnate.
Powerful (even before it came into the picture), ambitious, and thirsting for adventure and to expand his empire.
But doesn't Incarnatedom leave you with immortality? That thing Gilgamesh had half of an epic devoted to seeking?
The reasons are obvious: A) he wanted to bring back Enkidu in this case, and B) at some point he had a falling out with the Well, I would bet the Well also couldn't control Gilgamesh because he had such a powerful will and was strong by default. It's also possible that in City of-verse, The Well was actually Ishtar. (Afterall, if the well can take many forms, what's to say it couldn't also take the shape of a woman?)

Adding to this, and to alleviate the devs from the awkwardness of writing gilgamesh and enkidu's relationship as... Something closer. (as much as golden girl would love it.)
It could be that Enkidu was a child spawned between Gilgamesh and the Well, thus, Enkidu and Gilgamesh's closeness was that of a father and son, and more than that, a father, who is horribly bored, finally meeting his worthy equal.

Thus, with Enkidu having a much stronger connection to the Well of Furies, the Well's control was strong enough to kill him after Gilgamesh T'd her off too much.

tl;dr: Wild mass guessing: Gilgamesh was an Incarnate, The Well of furies used to be a goddess known as Ishtar, and Enkidu was their son.
What do you folks think?


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What do you folks think?
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I think Jack would like this interpretation.


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Gilgamesh was a godling king
Of him the harpers sadly sing
The fifth of Uruk ere its fall
When Sargon's army breached its wall


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The skies roared with thunder and the earth heaved,
Then came darkness and a stillness like death.
Lightening smashed the ground and fires blazed out;
Death flooded from the skies.
When the heat died and the fires went out,
The plains had turned to ash.




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I remember gaudy days
When the year was springing,
Tammuz, Gilgamesh, and I
Clinking cups and singing,
Until Innini sauntered by,
Skimpy garments clinging
To her hips and things like that;
Tammuz left us, winging.


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I've always wanted to make Enkidu, but could never get the proper look right.


 

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I think Jack would like this interpretation.
Why would Jack Emmert like it? He favors Greek Mythology over other mythologies, and it would show that Statesman and even Marcus Cole are pretty half-rate Incarnates compared to the infinite power of the God Emperor.

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I like this. I've always had a love for all things mythology and Gilgamesh is one of my favorites.
Glad you did enjoy the random spiel, it kind of came yo me when I was only half-awake and mostly spurred on by remembering that, in City of's game lore, the original Age of Heroes began back during the reign of Gilgamesh.

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I've always wanted to make Enkidu, but could never get the proper look right.
Hmmm, what specific look were you trying for? Were you trying to accentuate his status as The Wild Man or as the companion to Gilgamesh? Also, if you have images, please post them, I'm curious now.


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One of my characters is supposed to be a host body for Erishkigal.


 

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So, what was Gilgamesh's Incarnate power, keeping the castaways from getting of the island?


 

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Why would Jack Emmert like it? He favors Greek Mythology over other mythologies, and it would show that Statesman and even Marcus Cole are pretty half-rate Incarnates compared to the infinite power of the God Emperor.
Have you looked at the neighborhood names in Brickstown? Hell, it even has a Ziggurat! Jack liked all the ancient Western mythologies, not just Greek.


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So, what was Gilgamesh's Incarnate power, keeping the castaways from getting of the island?
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You dummy, that was Gunga Din. Gilgamesh is the bad guy from the Smurfs.
This is very well played all around here. Rather than possibly ruin this Souffle of Humor (or a masterful Set and Spike, if you will) with any additions, let me just quietly Golf Clap.

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Semi-off topic, the King of Kings is still second fiddle to the King of Knights and her Sheath.

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So, what was Gilgamesh's Incarnate power, keeping the castaways from getting of the island?
Obviously he was /Storm Summoning, then


 

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You dummy, that was Gunga Din. Gilgamesh is the bad guy from the Smurfs.
Let me the guy who spoils all the polite golf clapping and just bursts out laughing and shooting coffee out his nostrils.


 

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I've not read every post cuz many of them seem to have gone off topic but I like how the OP is thinking

Gilgamesh is the first named human - and has a place in legend as a person who is not simply legendary but also historical - and there are very few others who can claim that right.

I dislike the incarnate story very much but at least involving a demi-god like that you can bring it back into a sphere I like



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Have you looked at the neighborhood names in Brickstown? Hell, it even has a Ziggurat! Jack liked all the ancient Western mythologies, not just Greek.
okay, point.

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Semi-off topic, the King of Kings is still second fiddle to the King of Knights and her Sheath.

Just saying.

Uhhh... Gilgamesh is the King of Heroes, Jesus (depending on your religious views) was the King of Kings.
Also, Gil totally could have won that fight if he stopped being a prideful idiot and Gate of Babylowned Shirou.

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Gilgamesh is the first named human - and has a place in legend as a person who is not simply legendary but also historical - and there are very few others who can claim that right.

I dislike the incarnate story very much but at least involving a demi-god like that you can bring it back into a sphere I like
I know what you mean. I actually hate the Incarnate story-lines for the most part too, but when this idea came to me and I remember Gilgamesh is vaguely alluded to in the Origin of Powers, it seemed to make sense.

In some degree of my inner shipper, I imagine that the Well of Furies sees Cole as a silver Medal to her old God King of Babylon.
It would also mean it would be cool to learn Gilgamesh is still alive and will arrange for Incarnates to make a direct attack on the Well of Furies itself in the future. (Hopefully, he will refer to all players as "Mongrels")


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