What was your favorite thing about pre-I13 PvP?

I'm gonna chime in on the diversity factor. Secondary powers and buff powers are pretty useless now. My guess is thats what really has cleared pvp from many of the servers with a couple exceptions.

Unrelated- thanks for the open bar at meet and greet. Did you know i was comming? I'll be prepared to drill you about pvp at todays lecture 8D

Different builds worked.

The irony of i13 is it made things far more cookie cutter than before. I go outside the box, heck sometimes I can't even find the box. i13 makes it way harder to succeed at any level of competition with non-standard builds.

The following thoughts are not my own. They are forwarded, unedited, from a friend of mine who quit City of Heroes over the Issue 13 changes. She still keeps her eye on the game, waiting for the opportunity to renew it and her passion for Super-Powered PvP. Her words are as follows:

I won't mention diversity since it has been said many times already and pretty much speaks for itself by now.

So instead I will say my favorite thing, and the thing I probably miss the most, was that the secondary effects of powers actually meant something. Powers were chosen as much for their secondary effects as they were for damage. Now it's not even really a consideration since your just going to pick the power that does the most damage.

Free movement and diversity have already been mentioned so my favorite thing was acessibility(sp?).
People who said it was so hard to get into didn't really try, they probably stepped into a zone once and get pooped on then never returned.
I did it on some riggedy pve builds(ill/storm and spines/will scrapper mostly). I didn't do too well but i sure as hell had more fun in zones than now. I could grab a tray of inspirations and just enjoy the thrill of chasing down targets, getting chased and having to position correctly and trying to jump cancel and switcing between cj and sj and hopefully get a cancel off.
Now everything is travel suppressed and heal decayed and thats not that fun.

As a lot of people have mentioned before, I enjoyed the high paced action, diversity in builds, and that your powers worked how you expected them to work.

HD killed the enjoyment of playing a buffing/healing role.

TS killed the high paced action. It feels like your playing with lag ALL the time now, not just when you have bad internet.

Global Resist (along with DR to a great extent) killed the role of buffing.

DR... lots of things wrong with the curve of how things are DRed. Thats a whole nother bag of blind cats.

Was going to write out a well thought out response, but this does not need one.

Alot of the people here agree that fast pace and build diversity is a good thing. In my opinion post i13 seems to limit that.

I agree with what Firi and others wrote, not much more to say.

Back before the changes, I used to love Sirens Call's hot spots, Leading a Team of NPC's and being the focal point of the battle was onlike anything else in the game.
Farming the Turrets in RV and fighting off other players while doing so also occupied many enjoyable hours.
If I had my way, the Game would just revert the PvP rules to the current PvE system, sure, one on one battle, might be very unbalanced in some match-ups , but, like in the comics, Black Panther isn't gonna beat Thor.

Everyone has said everything already. Seeing a team with sonics and bubblers and therms and kins and mix them all up. Sure, you still had your cookie cutter teams, but there was more to them. Now it's the same three teams and you're lucky to see 3 or 4 different kind of characters.

Bottom line.. it used to be more fun. The only time I find it enjoyable anymore is in Arena with options selected to make it as close to pre i13 as possible.

My favorite thing about pre-i13 pvp was everything but the taunt changes and being able to phase and kill a phased player.




basically, those are the changes I like.

pre-i13 people actually pvp'd,
showed up,
fought,
had an un-scorned pvp community dat tried to help ppl pvp

post, u haf all these ppl dat haf a ton of pvp io but do not pvp a lick
u haf ppl quitting a 6 wk lg knowing they cant compete & will find any excuse not to compete
& way too many posts on teh forums/broadcasts

in teh end, i just wanna see ppl just show up, fight, gg, win or lose

My favourite thing about pre-I13 is that i13 didnt exist

You know, I resubbed my account just to post in this topic. I had a 30 day card I got for christmas sitting around collecting dust so I figured I'd use it and post here.

Now, what do I miss most about pre i13 pvp? Well, first thing that came to mind was in game friends. I lost about a dozen when i13 hit beta.

The second was the intensity.

I loved playing my blaster knowing I could lay someone to rest in a few seconds, but at the same time I could be taken down just as fast.

I loved getting on my tank and annoying the crap out of people. I could take on groups at a time but I didn't do much damage. You know, how a tank should work.

I loved getting on my fire rad troller stacking char for holds and being able to use my debuffs without having to toggle them back on every 3 seconds.

I loved when sirens call was always packed with people pvping, not 6 dudes sitting in a corner smashing their faces on the keyboard.

I loved...

You know what, thats what I lost when i13 hit, my love for this game. Thats what I miss the most. PvP is what kept me subbed. When issue 13 dropped my love for this game went with it. Its to the point where I'm not willing to pay for a sub anymore.

I know at least 6 people that would resubscribe in a heart beat if pvp was reverted back to pre i13, with me being one of them. I miss this game, I really do. But with pvp in its current state I would never re sub no matter how much PvE content they added, unless it was a christmas gift...

Now I know this will probably lead nowhere, kind of like the PvP suggestion thread, but I figured it was worth the time card to come post this if there was even a slim chance PvP would get looked at. Please give PvP some love, its been far too long since it was left to rot.

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Beastyle?... any news thoughts on changes or a general timeline?...what are you's thinking atm?

Kinda stinks atleast Z came by and said he was still looking at the thread. Oh well.

If anyone actually had hope that was spurred by this or other similar threads; that's unfortunate. Nothing is going to change. They asked for and were given feedback with i13 was being implemented anyway. Resounding no, canceled subs, but they pushed on.

I guess it's somewhat understandable, since even in beta phase, development takes money, but what's shockingly stupid is that they just let it go on that way, even after it effectively killed competitive PvP.

If you're not giving your customers what they want, they'll eventually leave. It's just sad it's taken this long for some. Nostalgia and friends would be the only bit of glue left at this point if you're not particularly interested in PvE.