I haven't noticed anything.
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It's starting to get the feel of the boards for that 800lb gorilla game, unfortunately part and parcel with having raiders.
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Dude where have you been? The tone changed over a year ago when the mods dropped the hammer on everyone and implemented more draconian rule enforcement. The Comic and Hero/Villain Culture section had almost all of it's threads purged when hundreds if not thousands of threads were deleted because they didn't meet the new stricter standards.|
Originally Posted by Chyll
...or is the general tone around the forums changing?
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Or are you talking about something else? If so please be more specific.
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I think ogi has it. I feel like I'm seeing more personal attacks and whatnot which clashes with the long standing atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
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City of Heroes was my first MMO, & my favorite computer game.
R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
I'm honestly not sure how much it has changed.
When I first got here there was always people bickering back and forth, making little snide comments about other players.
Then it seemed to go away for a couple of years.
Maybe what you are seeing is simple a natural cycle of the forum.
I still find people very helpful here.
Enjoy your day please.
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Huh, I started here two years ago and as far as I've noticed, it's always been like that. People in general are just jerks.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
I think ogi has it. I feel like I'm seeing more personal attacks and whatnot which clashes with the long standing atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by BashfulBanshee
I'm honestly not sure how much it has changed.
When I first got here there was always people bickering back and forth, making little snide comments about other players. Then it seemed to go away for a couple of years. Maybe what you are seeing is simple a natural cycle of the forum. I still find people very helpful here. |
Or maybe I'm just reading the wrong threads.
City of Heroes was my first MMO, & my favorite computer game.
R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
I only recently started reading the forums again (~1 week ago), and it seems pretty much exactly the same tone and attitude as it was ~6 months ago- that is, far more mature, helpful, and respectful than pretty much any other game forum out there.
Best as I can tell, the forum is pretty much exactly the same as it was when I first started. Different sections carry the idiot ball at different times, but I don't believe there's been any extra idiot balls added into the fray (besides the usual pre-issue angst that has occured with every issue I've been around for).
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;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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The server forums got hit hard when the policies about non-server related postings came down. I know lots of people who would rather not post at all rather than going to the general forums now.
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Memory has a way of softening the bad and enhancing the good. This forum has had its share of acrimony since day one. If you think the current, mostly Incarnate-related snits are unprecedented, then just try to imagine (or if you were here, then think back to) the crapstorm that erupted over Enhancement Diversification. |
Originally Posted by Chyll
I think ogi has it. I feel like I'm seeing more personal attacks and whatnot which clashes with the long standing atmosphere.
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The difference on the CoH boards, I think, is that most people here will at least give you a few posts before the discussion devolves into chaos. There seems to be a lot less knee-jerk, one-line flippancy on the COH forum than there is on some other games' forums. People who come here asking for good-faith advice or information usually get it, even if it sometimes comes with a little snark on the side. Protracted debates can get pretty ugly, but then in my experience, that's always true; after a point, inevitably, each side is merely restating (over and over and over) its position in slightly different ways, with neither one reading the other's very carefully as a result. And the more you restate something, the more likely it is that something you say will be taken the wrong way.
And the more things are taken the wrong way, the faster you end up arguing over phrasing rather than content, and phrasing is inherently personal: I can disagree with your position without holding a grudge, but the way you choose to phrase your position speaks to your personality and your thought processes. The internet is particularly prone to this sort of devolution in debate, because it's perhaps the only medium to offer you endless opportunities to reply, and in a quasi-public way. In real debates, there are time limits for a reason, and I say that in full recognition that I've fallen victim to last-wordism more than a few times here, myself.
YMMV, but I always get a bit of a chuckle when people lament the good old days. It's popular to argue that political discourse in the US has recently declined to unprecedented depths, for instance -- which is a very tenuous observation on its face given that the the US started with a revolution. I don't see too many duels fought among the political class these days, either.
Apologies for the long-winded and self-indulgent reply.
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Seems like the same amount of doom related to changes in the game to me :P Forums haven't changed since I've started, just the group that's unhappy at the time.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
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there is a separation here between the ones that used this forum mainly to talk about COH vs those that treated it as a Nerd community.
The ones that used this forum for years mainly as a means to get/give info concerning COX won't have noticed much of a dynamic shift.
Those of us that used this forum for years to discuss everything from COX to Pong have most certainly.
A fair chunk of the longtime posters are still shell shocked over the switch last fall, with rule enforcement still being confusing.
Basically, this went from being a very friendly and casual atmosphere for most of us to one where we had to constantly wonder if we're breaking the rules. In turn this led to an exodus of helpful posters and left us with the more... vocal among us.
I've watched closely over the past 6 months and marveled at how forum cartel members, posters with a multi year long record of being friendly and understanding have slowly mutated into forum pvpers and I blame the sour grapes feeling that still lingers.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
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Seriously, things seem okay.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
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It seems as if I've seen fewer instances of people saying "that's silly" instead of "you're silly".
Maybe my memory is rose-colored about pretty faithful self policing and not really feeling what Maestro mentions until recently:
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
A fair chunk of the longtime posters are still shell shocked over the switch last fall, with rule enforcement still being confusing.
Basically, this went from being a very friendly and casual atmosphere for most of us to one where we had to constantly wonder if we're breaking the rules. In turn this led to an exodus of helpful posters and left us with the more... vocal among us. I've watched closely over the past 6 months and marveled at how forum cartel members, posters with a multi year long record of being friendly and understanding have slowly mutated into forum pvpers and I blame the sour grapes feeling that still lingers. |
City of Heroes was my first MMO, & my favorite computer game.
R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
Nah still a bunch of people who whine about everything and anything that changes in the game; although again with thousands of posts it makes me wonder how much time they actually spend.. ya know.. IN game.
I generally just browse the forums and laugh at the DOOMers.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
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I think we are seeing an influx of gamers from other MMOs between their major releases. MMOs whose forums are survival of the fittest, where helping is a sign of weakness and entrenchment of a position is the norm, regardless of the facts.
Think reintegrating a feral child into civilized society.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
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It happens when something occurs with the game that there are two distinct sides of.
Currently, it's the whole Incarnate debate that is making it seem that way. Before that it was AE, before that it was the PvP changes, before that it was Inventions and the market. Before that it was ED and the GDN, before that I suspect it was the level cap (it went from 40 at release to 50 with Issue 1)
Any time there is something new to talk about that galvanizes people into "for" and "against" categories you're going to see more sniping and general snarkiness for a while. The arguing about the things I mentioned has died down, I expect this will pass as well, though it might take a little longer to do so.
If you look in the AT and Server forums, where people aren't discussing the new big thing as heatedly, it's pretty much business as usual.
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I have always found this community friendly. Personal attacks aside, which happen on any forum, this is deffinately more gental than others I have been on.
As others have said, I didn't notice any change. Around every Issue release there's people who like what they're getting and people who're disappointed with it and they argue. This dies down after a month the Issue is released and starts up when more information about the next gets released.
So close to I20 as we are, naturally we'll be seeing more threads.
Oh, also, I don't usually post in newbie question threads but I sometimes check them out, but those still seem as friendly as helpful as ever. This is the thing we're known for being friendly about. Oldbies may argue a lot, but they're all very friendly and inviting to newcomers.
It's the same. Just got back after a year. Same tone. Generally helpful unless you step into one of the threads covered in land mines. It tends to get this way when a new system is implemented.
I remember the firestore from when AE got introduced.
I remember the firestorm when IOs were introduced.
I don't remember the firestorm when ED was introduced because I was beaten about the head, very badly... and I was just a wee lurker back then. They came for everybody back then. Avatars were stacked up 20 feet high... there was GODDOOM! You think this is bad? This is a hiccup. ED was........
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........ an aberration. I well remember it, and the threads that swelled to over 4,000 responses in 24 hours. Almost the entire player base was outraged over it, particularly coming as it did on top of the massive nerfs of issue 5 (the GDN) and being assured by Statesman (at the time Lead Developer) that there would be "No changes to powers with issue 6" then getting ED slapped on us. His explanation that ED was a change to the way enhancements worked in powers, not the powers themselves wasn't very well received as you might imagine.|
Originally Posted by DanZero
I don't remember the firestorm when ED was introduced because I was beaten about the head, very badly... and I was just a wee lurker back then. They came for everybody back then. Avatars were stacked up 20 feet high... there was GODDOOM! You think this is bad? This is a hiccup. ED was........
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Picture the state of the game in issue 4 - then picture the reaction when all defenses and many controller powers were cut by over 50%, many by up to 75% in issue 5, then every power in the game was cut by another 50% in issue 6. That was, by far, the worst forum meltdown I've ever seen. Nothing before or since has even approached that level of animosity. Tankers were operating at about 20% of their issue 4 power level, Controllers lost 75% of their AOE control ability and everyone lost 50% of their damage.
It took 2 years and the addition of Invention sets to boost performance back to about the level it was after issue 5 but prior to issue 6. Yes, there was a major buff to defense in issue 7 (nearly a year after ED) and other minor buffs along the way but the issue 6 era wasn't a really fun time to be here, particularly for those of us who still remembered the old days. Overall I'd say we have a better game now than we had in issue 3-4 but boy did we go through growing pains getting here. Lots of the old timers left with either issue 5 or issue 6 and we saw a steady decline in the player base that didn't reverse itself until issue 14. We got a massive boost with issue 18 and Going Rogue; at a guess we're at least double the player base now that we had a couple of years ago.
Yeah, I guess the GDN and ED are still sore points for those of us who were here for them. I do think that the long decline of players had the effect of bringing those of us who remained closer together and may have been a contributing factor to the civility of the forums. Another, and probably the biggest factor is simple demographics - most of us average older than the typical MMO so most of us are mature & responsible adults. Because of this we don't see much of the childish "Jimmy's touching me!" attitude you see in the 800lb gorilla.
COH has just been murdered by NCSoft. http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
I still love CuppaJo.
Upon further reflection, I think part of what we're starting to notice is the fact that this is now a generational game. In a way at least.
Those of us 'old timers' are now butting heads with the younguns, recounting the 'good ol days' and lamenting the passage of time. We've nearly memorized the bible and the landscape of Paragon so it takes more and more to please us. While on the flip side the 'young adults and teens' i.e. those only here for a year or 2 are easier to please, not having 'seen it all before'
It's a unique thing, having a diverse community with some being here for going on 8 years, while others have less than a month or two. The more jaded us old timers get, the more defensive things end up being. Though it's still lightyears better than most other forums, the fact is there is a changing of the guard taking place.
In closing; I'm having more fun in game than I have in years.
On the forums, not so much. But I blame myself and changing perceptions more than anything else.
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...or is the general tone around the forums changing?