Please stop with the agreement every login
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Posted on: 2011-03-05 14:52 in Suggestions and Ideas
Ever think it is there for... oh, legal reasons?
You mean the same legal agreement you had to accept each time you started up the old CoH Updater?
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They got along fine without us needing to click on it in the game for 7 years. Suddenly we need to?
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Ever think it is there for... oh, legal reasons?
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I agree, it's kind of annoying to have to do that again.
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Except you did click it every time you started the game, it was just in the launcher. With the new launcher it had to be moved to the login screen. I do wish they would allow you to accept it with enter though.
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Originally Posted by firespray
They got along fine without us needing to click on it in the game for 7 years. Suddenly we need to?
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I know it used to be in the launcher. That's why I said we didn't have to click it in the game. I wish they'd put it back in the launcher. It was less intrusive there.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Except you did click it every time you started the game, it was just in the launcher. With the new launcher it had to be moved to the login screen. I do wish they would allow you to accept it with enter though.
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The problem with that is the new launcher is for all of NCSoft's games, not just CoH, and different games have different EULA's/terms/rules/whatever you call it. |
Originally Posted by firespray
I know it used to be in the launcher. That's why I said we didn't have to click it in the game. I wish they'd put it back in the launcher. It was less intrusive there.
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If you haven't switched to the NCSoft Launcher, then when you do, you only have to click the agree button once.
Just wish it was like other games and only had you accept the terms if they changed since the last time you accepted them.
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I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall agreeing to the EULA every time I logged on to WoW, AION, Champions Online, Stark Trek Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Granted it has been at least a nine months (Star Trek) and at most four years (WoW) since I logged on to any of those games, but it seems to me that EULA skipping is frowned upon across the industry.|
Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Just wish it was like other games and only had you accept the terms if they changed since the last time you accepted them.
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The fact that you could skip the EULA by skipping the launcher in CoH was an aberration, not the norm.
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The agreement has always been there. Give it a month and you'll get used to the change and forget its there again.
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Clicking on CoH changes what you see in the launcher. Would it be that hard to add the EULA to the "City of Heroes" section of the launcher? Not rhetorical, I'm actually curious. Would it?
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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid
The problem with that is the new launcher is for all of NCSoft's games, not just CoH, and different games have different EULA's/terms/rules/whatever you call it.
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oh can you lot stop maoning, the only difference now is u notice it more.
you had to click accept in the launcher, but now its just before you log in, its no difference then before. i dont mind it i like having the launcher launching faster then do 1..ONE...UNO click.
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The problem is that people used to have it set up where you hacked it and just went to game load with no agreement, or even file check. Now they have no choice to hit the agreement, and are waiting on a new hack to get past the new loader.
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Originally Posted by HardRider
oh can you lot stop maoning, the only difference now is u notice it more.
you had to click accept in the launcher, but now its just before you log in, its no difference then before. i dont mind it i like having the launcher launching faster then do 1..ONE...UNO click. |
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Actually, the new launcher has a feature that lets you create a desktop shortcut that skips all the button clicking in the NCSoft launcher.|
Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk
The problem is that people used to have it set up where you hacked it and just went to game load with no agreement, or even file check. Now they have no choice to hit the agreement, and are waiting on a new hack to get past the new loader.
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Click the CITY OF HEROES line in the NCSoft launcher and a small menu button appears on the right. Click that and a menu appears. Click the Create Desktop Shortcut item. The launcher will create an icon that automatically does all the selecting, checking and launching of CoH, bringing you directly to the login page.
So instead of having to click Next and Accept in the current launcher, you just click the Accept button in the game for terms of service, for a reduction of one button click with the new launcher using no hacks at all.
Its the same number of clicks and the same amount of time that it takes to get ingame. They just moved it from the launcher to the game.
You can take one second out of your busy schedule of punching time travelling werewolf nazis to click the button.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Just wish it was like other games and only had you accept the terms if they changed since the last time you accepted them.
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World of Warcraft, Champions Online, Star Trek Online: None require you to accept the ToS unless it has changed since the last time. It doesn't seem to be a problem for Blizzard. You think they know something we don't?
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Could be different legal advisors. I don't know how these things, but it's entirely possible their lawyer said 'Make 'em accept it every time to keep your *** entirely covered'.|
Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
This.
World of Warcraft, Champions Online, Star Trek Online: None require you to accept the ToS unless it has changed since the last time. It doesn't seem to be a problem for Blizzard. You think they know something we don't? |
As it stands, I guess this thread goes to show that people will complain about absolutely everything, even having to make a single mouse click.
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It doesn't particularly bother me - if anything the in-game version has a slicker and more aesthetically pleasing presentation than the previous launcher version - however, it really *should* remember that you've already agreed to it on a per account basis and thus not show it to you unless there's been a change.
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They will even complain about other people giving feedback. Bizarre.
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Originally Posted by Demobot
As it stands, I guess this thread goes to show that people will complain about absolutely everything, even having to make a single mouse click.
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There's a difference between complaining and making an observation of human behavior, but the distinction is apparently very subtle.
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Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
They will even complain about other people giving feedback. Bizarre.
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Oh god, the pain! The suffering! The humanity! One more click to torment us! Whyfore art thou so cruel, Devs? Whyfore, NCSoft? A single click moved into a new place! Doooom and the worlds endi-
Oh, yeah, right. Sorry. Of course, some people must find it so excrutiatingly painful to move their mouse a few inches to click on one button.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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What reason do you have to want the terms presented when they have not changed since the last time?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh, yeah, right. Sorry. Of course, some people must find it so excrutiatingly painful to move their mouse a few inches to click on one button.
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Do you need your contract presented to you each day you go to into work, even though you signed it when you were hired and it has not changed since?
Does Paypal need to present you with its terms and conditions every single time you wish to make a transfer?
Maybe if you provided a rational explanation, it would sway people to your point of view where ridicule and sarcasm do not.
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Whats not to ridicule and be sarcastic about? You fail to point out whats so utterly terrible about this current setup when, previously, that one click was still present, just in a different place (namely the launcher).|
Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
What reason do you have to want the terms presented when they have not changed since the last time?
Do you need your contract presented to you each day you go to into work, even though you signed it when you were hired and it has not changed since? Does Paypal need to present you with its terms and conditions every single time you wish to make a transfer? Maybe if you provided a rational explanation, it would sway people to your point of view where ridicule and sarcasm do not. |
Afaik, pretty much every other MMO out there has something similar in it. It's very likely for legal reasons or something outside of the Devs direct control, not to mention the change to the NC Launcher, which removes the old updater and thus the Agreement that was present there.
It's one click. If it's honestly that painful for people, I'd hate to see what happened when something genuinely taxing cropped up for them.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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How about: It was silly before, and the increasing amount of time it's been left silly with no real change save to the aesthetics of it pushes it past silly into ridiculous?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Whats not to ridicule and be sarcastic about? You fail to point out whats so utterly terrible about this current setup when, previously, that one click was still present, just in a different place (namely the launcher).
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Could be that there is a ridiculous legal reason for it to be there, but surely you wouldn't be sarcastic based on pure supposition? Not *you* of all people.
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Having to accept the same legal agreement every single time you start the game is ridiculous.