Please stop with the agreement every login
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Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2011-03-05 14:52 in Suggestions and Ideas
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No. Already covered in this thread.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Afaik, pretty much every other MMO out there has something similar in it.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
It's one click.
You fail to point out whats so utterly terrible about this current setup when, previously, that one click was still present |
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1. TERMS OF AGREEMENT b) You agree to check this Agreement and the Rules of Conduct periodically so you will be familiar with their content as amended or modified from time to time. |
So, effectively;
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Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
What reason do you have to want the terms presented when they have not changed since the last time?
Do you need your contract presented to you each day you go to into work, even though you signed it when you were hired and it has not changed since? Does Paypal need to present you with its terms and conditions every single time you wish to make a transfer? Maybe if you provided a rational explanation, it would sway people to your point of view where ridicule and sarcasm do not. |
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Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
No. Already covered in this thread.
If you are quickly clicking past the Terms of Service, you are in violation of them. You are expected to read the terms whenever they have changed. Since they are presented to you even if they have not changed, you have no way of knowing when to read them for new changes. |
Sure, they should put up some red or something to say when they have changed.
But can you honestly say you read the ToS everytime? I doubt anyone does. So, people should be glad that it's not enforced a little more strictly.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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No, but I'm expected to, and that's the problem with it. When you design a user interface with a specific intent and people do the opposite, you have failed in your design.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
But can you honestly say you read the ToS everytime? I doubt anyone does. So, people should be glad that it's not enforced a little more strictly.
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The point of this thread is to bring attention to it while the new launcher is still in the developers' sights, instead of six months down the road when they have long since moved on.
We have no way of knowing whether a better solution is feasible, but that's not our job. We provide feedback and the developers decide if it's doable.
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Yeah, the 1/4 of a second it takes to click on that button just seems to drag on and on and on.
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Originally Posted by Plasma
Having to accept the same legal agreement every single time you start the game is ridiculous.
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Talk about nit picking on something that has NO impact on game play. If I had to scroll through the whole thing before hitting agree, I might find that annoying. But as is, it's fine.
No one pays attention to me, cause I listen to the voices in my head.
For whatever reason NCSoft feels it should be there. It has been there from the day this game launched. If they felt that it needed to be removed, it wouldn't be there. It's their game. They can do what they want with it. If having to move your mouse rather than just being able to click past it is such a big deal, then don't do it. As for me, I've already gotten used to the change and don't even think about it when I log in.
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/this. The company is not some evil organization that gets its laughs out of making us click once. It was discussed and added for a reason they deemed necessary, otherwise, they would have not gone through the expense in time, people, and money to change the set up when they have so much else to work on. |
Originally Posted by DocArcus
For whatever reason NCSoft feels it should be there. It has been there from the day this game launched. If they felt that it needed to be removed, it wouldn't be there. It's their game.
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Seriously, one-click means what again to all the times you click during the game? You have to click glowies and doors, or activate powers if not bound to the key board. The new launcher is far better than the old one IMO, nothing to be changed.
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This. Press enter once to enter password, enter again to agree to the EULA. No need to fish for the button, can easily be worked into a routine, and the dark legal gods are placated.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Except you did click it every time you started the game, it was just in the launcher. With the new launcher it had to be moved to the login screen. I do wish they would allow you to accept it with enter though.
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Not every NC game makes you accept it every time; I know GuildWars doesn't.|
Originally Posted by DocArcus
For whatever reason NCSoft feels it should be there.
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I don't really mind it, I can click past it just as fast in game as from the old launcher. Although it does make me even more grateful for the "quit to character select" feature.
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If the Quit to Character Select didn't have that 30 second countdown, I'd be grateful for it. As it is, it takes almost the same amount of time to immediately exit to desktop and relaunch the game.
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Originally Posted by Placta
Not every NC game makes you accept it every time; I know GuildWars doesn't.
I don't really mind it, I can click past it just as fast in game as from the old launcher. Although it does make me even more grateful for the "quit to character select" feature. |
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I find that hard to believe, unless your rig is on cyber-steroids |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
If the Quit to Character Select didn't have that 30 second countdown, I'd be grateful for it. As it is, it takes almost the same amount of time to immediately exit to desktop and relaunch the game.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Don't know why you'd think that. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I find that hard to believe, unless your rig is on cyber-steroids
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It usually takes less than 30 seconds to start up CoH on my machine.
Heck, I've dropped to desktop, relaunched CoH, logged in and been told that I'm still logged
in on the previous character more than once.
Granted that was a rather random statement from Tenzhi that didn't really have anything
to do with the ToS agreement (and I still think the log out to character select was a silly
change to put in, oooo I have to retype my password this is unacceptable. . .).
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I wish I had your load speed. My computer can't do that (it is a bit on the old side.) It is much faster for me to use the Quit to Character Select.
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The legal intent of the user interface design is to guarantee that no player could argue that they did not have ample opportunity to read the terms of service agreement and were required to acknowledge it every time they played the game. If someone were to argue in court that they saw it, acknowledged it, but deliberately didn't read it, that would serve as a lack of due diligence on the part of the player and weaken any claim that they were unaware of the terms of service.|
Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff
When you design a user interface with a specific intent and people do the opposite, you have failed in your design.
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Its debatable as to whether a specific intent of the system is to guarantee that changes to the EULA are highlighted in as clear a manner as possible to simplify the task of reviewing the terms of service incrementally. I've never specifically been given that priority in over twenty years of writing software by anyone, actually.
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It takes 24 seconds to start the game client and have it show the login prompt from the NC launcher on my i870 with 16 gigs of ram. The fastest I can run the sequence of quitting the game client, relaunching it, logging in, and returning to the character selection screen is about 29 seconds. The only way I could make it go faster is probably to copy the entire game into a ram disk. Even then, I'm not sure most of the game isn't cached already after running the test the first time.|
Originally Posted by Soulwind
It usually takes less than 30 seconds to start up CoH on my machine.
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My guess is that most people's round trip travel time is likely to be much longer than that.
Damn, now I'm curious to know what the fastest possible load time I can generate on my system is. Grr...
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Took me 42 seconds last time I timed it (as I said: almost the same amount of time), but that was with the old launcher and there was a slight lag on the game closing down. I've often had it tell me I was still logged in when I've exited and relaunched. I haven't timed it with the new launcher, but I suspect it would be even faster.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I find that hard to believe, unless your rig is on cyber-steroids
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Just took me 27 seconds from double clicking the NCsoft launcher icon to the login screen. I have a 2 year old rig with an i7 920 and 6 gigs of ram.
@True Metal
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28 seconds from the time I clicked the NCSoft Launcher until I started zoning in.....
26 seconds if I do not lose the launcher......
Yes this is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm)
If 2 seconds of your life is that precious...I might suggest spending time in game itself is something you should be looking at instead of the few seconds more it may take to log in now. LOL
In other words.............
/unsigned
I decided to add my time here to show how slow it can be for some people. I just timed it and it took 1 minute and 29 seconds from when I clicked on the launcher till the time the log in screen loaded. The Quit to Character Select has made things nice for me.
I can't wait till I finish building my new computer.
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It's not a matter of time, but rather of annoyance - another chore to deal with, even if it is trivial, before you can get to the "fun" stuff. That you need to manually switch mental gears to do it also makes it stick out.
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Originally Posted by Fixxer
Yes this is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dammit! I want it to be in the game, on the character I intended before I even decide which toon I wanted! Before I've even decided to play! Hell, before I even get close enough to my computer to turn it on!
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I always double clicked the button so I didn't really notice the agreement. Now it's much more noticeable. I'll get used to it. But I'd prefer it the old way.
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Look, I'm a picky ******* who refuses to make easy billions by playing the Market, who refuses to do research on what sells for how much, who refuses to run the Architect for easy loot and so on... And even I'm telling you that you have far too low a threshold for "chores." A single extra click is not a chore. It does not require switching gears when what you are doing to begin with is clicking.|
Originally Posted by Quinch
It's not a matter of time, but rather of annoyance - another chore to deal with, even if it is trivial, before you can get to the "fun" stuff. That you need to manually switch mental gears to do it also makes it stick out.
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Yes, I'll admit that the EULA has been catching me by surprise every single time I've logged in since it was moved to the client, and it has required me to stop and figure out what I had to do to make it go away. I give it another week or two before I stop noticing it's there. This is not work. This is not a chore. It's an extra click. It's like having to double-click a shortcut instead of single-clicking it, and I know Windows can be set to single-click launch shortcuts.
This is like complaining you have to type in your password every time.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Could be that there is a ridiculous legal reason for it to be there, but surely you wouldn't be sarcastic based on pure supposition? Not *you* of all people.
But, seriously, if it has to be there (which it seems to) then it has to be there. Compared to all the things, both little and small, that are currently in need of fixing in-game, one measly little click seems kind of like turning a pebble into a mountain. There are countless things in game that are frustrating, awkward, annoying and sometimes jsut downright broken.
This honestly isn't one of them, unless people are seriously that intolerant over a genuinely minor thing.