Issue 20 info is up!

To answer the highlighted question, because after 7 years, if a game does not evolve, it stagnates, withers, and dies. Whatever change is made will "shift the spirit of the game" in the eyes of some players. I like the changes so far. Others don't. No kidding.

The 'market leader' has infinibux to do it all at once. CoX does not. Meanwhile, to my understanding, the 'market leader' often makes the uberloot you worked so hard to get worthless by the next go-round, so there is that. CoX does not do that.

lol, I saw what you did. *golfclap*

This right here is why I can't get worked into a lather about i20. The complaints aren't even new.

I'm not really all bent out of shape over it.
I would just like the Devs to show me in some small way that Issue 20 isn't going to be the standard fare from now on. If it is, I will have to at some point question why I'm sticking around. If not, then all's good for me.

I am one of those people that never really wanted CoH to have an endgame, as I felt we didn't need one. But obviously other people enjoy endgame play and I do not begrudge them that at all. I would just like to see a few small things I do enjoy in future content updates. Things like powerset proliferation, new story arcs, new costume options all go quite a long way toward keeping me engaged.

I'm not saying that I think the Devs will never do any of that again. I'm sure they will. But I suppose it's a matter of frequency for me. If I can only realistically expect those types of updates once a year, for example, then it hardly seems worth it for me to continue dumping money into the game.

Again, not a new complaint.

I mean, really, they're introducing a large new system into the game the game hasn't had before. Of course they're going to swing a lot of resources into getting it up and running. Activating something takes more power than maintaining and updating it.

Hey, you can do exactly what I've done from time to time: Stop subscribing but occasionally check the main site for the content of updates. If anything "wows" you, resub and continue playing for as long as it holds your interest.

I can understand that argument, but it honestly doesn't make me feel any better. Sorry, I can't help that. If the answer truly is that I just need to shut up and wait, and hopefully maybe the Devs will at some point possibly add some more stuff I am interested in, well then, that sucks to be honest.

Actually that is what I have done, several times. That's why my account creation date is August 2004 and I'm only at 57 months of Vet Rewards. I was kind of hoping I could break the cycle this time, but I suppose not. Ah well. Such is life in the MMO world I guess.

Pretty much what I've done. I left for two years and came back for Going Rogue.

I would never tell someone to shut up. Walking away from a conversation is easier than trying to make the other guy do it. But while making your opinion heard is certainly valuable, what do you think will happen at this point? "Oh, sorry guys, we didn't realize some people wouldn't like this issue. We're going to pull Issue 20 and rework it. We'll get back to you in August."

I'm not being snarky, I'm truly not. Issue 20 has been announced, either all of it or the big content additions at the very least. That's what it's going to be. You can make your displeasure known and hope they take it into account for the next issue or two (depending on how long their development cycle is), but beyond talking on the forums there's two things you can do at this point; either continue to play the parts of the game you like or unsubscribe, giving the reason for your canceled subscription in the exit survey.

It would be awesome if the dev team had a faster response and turnaround time, it really would. But Issue 20 isn't going to be changed at this point, for better or worse. They've sunk far too many manhours into it already.

I don't think folks are asking for it to be changed.

I think they are asking for additional things like:

some bones for bases (decorations, improvements to storage, adding an interface to have wents IN BASE, seeing as how it's now vet power)
some pvp fixes
more powerset prolif

Those three things shouldn't be too time intensive. . . But are probably too late to add to Issue 20. (Provided ofcourse that they aren't part of the unannounced features. )

You have misunderstood me. I do not expect them to change a single thing that is going to be in I20, and have accepted the fact that, for me, it is a "non-update" of sorts. By making my displeasure known at the complete lack of anything but TF's and raids in I20, it is my hope the Devs will say "Hey guys, we should really put more stuff than TF's and raids in the issues that come after that." So far they have not given me any warm fuzzy feelings they intend to do anything of the sort. Until they do, I will continue to voice my displeasure. I'm actually asking them to give me a reason to shut up.

We can't stop here, this is Standard Code Rant Country.

Yep, see the rest of that line of text. It's not too time intensive, had they planned for it to be in the issue from the begining.

After the fact is a different story.

The rest of that line doesn't negate the assertion I quoted. Not trying to shut you down, just trying to keep things reasonable.

See my clarification above.

EDIT: And noted

To be fair, we as players really have no idea how time intensive something like powerset proliferation is. For all we know, it could be as simple as copying and pasting an entry from one database to another. Or it could be a living hell that takes a team of people days on end to do one single powerset. Because of that I try to avoid making statements about how easy or hard something would be for the Devs to do.

Point taken.

My main point was that folks would like some of that stuff for future issues, and not have future issues have a main focus solely about Incarnates/praetoria/mary sue marcus cole is a super clown in any dimension.

With the Praetorian Hamidon out there and Cole himself I expect that future issues will have a MAJOR Incarnate portion. However, let's not forget there are plenty of content additions they can add that have nothing to do with Incarnates.

I also get why they want to beef up both Prae and the Incarnate system. Not doing so would have them being accused of abandoning yet ANOTHER system. *cough* bases, pvp *cough*

I think it is copying and pasting, but then it's the balancing and making sure that copy and paste doesn't break any number of things that's the holdup. At least that's how it was explained to me one of the 2349 I whined about no Illusion Dominators!

I actually agree with you completely on all the above. I would think the Devs would want to keep us all paying and playing as long as possible. Focusing all development entirely on one thing simply isn't going to do that for some people.


Oh if only we COULD get Illusion Doms. I would love that.

*inserts Golden Girl's "AngryYo" pic here*

Yeah, we read the story the first time. We get it.

The point is that it's a terrible story.

Well, they are adding the level 20-40 TF and SF, so I wouldn't say they're ignoring the lower levels, and focusing just on endgame.

Well if it's a terrible story, that's one thing. But the point was, it's not saying "You are this new origin" it's saying "we're increasing your potential along the origin you picked"

Remember, scaling AVs to EBs wasn't always a option, which the comment was referencing to that time period in that side discussion.