Getting purpled on the cheap?


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I admit, until now I've been something of an invention refusenik- just not terribly interested. But now I've got a couple of level 50's that I'm working through the incarnate slots with, and I'm looking at ways to make them better and stronger, including IO's.

So here's a question for those in the know in these affairs- if you want to get a set of purple IO's for a character, what are some good ways to do it as cheaply as possible?
One character is a Katana/WP scrapper, the other is Dual blades/WP.


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Run ITF until your eyes bleed.

Failing that, put up bids for 40 mil and leave them up for a long time. You might get lucky and someone will accidentally leave off a 0 when posting their recipe.

Those two are of course assuming you're talking about a melee character, which you are. If you happen to play a character with a confuse or sleep power, I poked at Fortunata's Hypnosis and Coercive Persuasion recently; compared to the damage sets, those are ridiculously cheap. You can get a full set of Fortunata's for under 100 mil if you're patient.

Edit: Oh, right, one other way. You can get them from alignment merits for 20-25 merits per recipe. That's an incredibly slow way, but you can do it without spending inf at all, and using it to supplement market purchases is more or less viable.


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Originally Posted by Amanita View Post
So here's a question for those in the know in these affairs- if you want to get a set of purple IO's for a character, what are some good ways to do it as cheaply as possible?
A good way to do it as "cheaply" as possible? Well the "cheapest" way is to farm for purples. You get them for free as drops and just have to pay to craft them.

But I think what you may really be asking for is "what's the easiest way to buy the ones you need off the market". If that's the case there are plenty of player guides available to help you play the market.

Basically there are many way to get to that goal but basically time spent in this game is almost always equal to money. If you're willing to farm and/or play the market slow and conservatively you can eventually get any purple you want, but it might take weeks or even months. If you want those sets "TODAY" then you'll pay more INF for that privilege.

As always YMMV.


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Originally Posted by Amanita View Post
I admit, until now I've been something of an invention refusenik- just not terribly interested. But now I've got a couple of level 50's that I'm working through the incarnate slots with, and I'm looking at ways to make them better and stronger, including IO's.

So here's a question for those in the know in these affairs- if you want to get a set of purple IO's for a character, what are some good ways to do it as cheaply as possible?
One character is a Katana/WP scrapper, the other is Dual blades/WP.
Well the first question to ask is do you really need purples? Purple sets are nice for some builds but in other cases non-purple sets actually provide more useful bonuses.

That being said if you do want purple sets the purple recipes you are likely to want (Hecatomb and Armageddon) are the most expensive sets so there isn't a cheap way to get them.

The easiest way to get them is to get alignment merits (either through tip missions or running TFs and converting merits). Now don't use the alignment merits to buy purples directly, it's not worth it. Instead use them to buy high value rare recipes (level 25 LotG 7.5%s are often a good choice but check the market) craft those and sell them on the market. You can often get 200 million for 2 A-Merits this way which, given the cost of purples works out to needing about 4-6 alignment merits for every purple recipe.

Now most people only slot 5 pieces of the set and the proc is generally a bit cheaper than the others so you're probably looking at around 50 alignment merits per character to get 10 purples this way.

The other options are:
1. Farm until your eyes bleed
2. Marketeering


 

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The cheapest way to get a purple set is to have a character with a sleep. Delete your Dual Blades/Willpower and roll a Willpower/Dual Blades, then take the Stone Mastery ancillary power pool.


 

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My advice is, if you are just starting to look at IO sets, don't start with purples.

It's amazing how much you can improve your build with a relatively cheap application of Thunderstrike, Crushing Impact, Doctored Wounds, Red Fortune and the like.

If, after you fool around with the affordable stuff, you find that you are having fun and still want to do more with your build, then you can step up to the higher priced stuff.


 

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Originally Posted by Camper View Post
My advice is, if you are just starting to look at IO sets, don't start with purples.

It's amazing how much you can improve your build with a relatively cheap application of Thunderstrike, Crushing Impact, Doctored Wounds, Red Fortune and the like.

If, after you fool around with the affordable stuff, you find that you are having fun and still want to do more with your build, then you can step up to the higher priced stuff.
This.
i have one alt with a single purple hold set slotted. The rest have used other sets and generally have softcapped defenses (which really aren't achieved with purples anyway) and more than sufficient recharge and other bonuses to be very effective. There are several i would spend the money to outfit with purple sets if i received a couple pieces from the sets as drops. At that point it would be worth it to me.


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I wouldn't go for purples unless you're really a completionist and/or have nothing better to do. The differences between purples and oranges are relatively minor, but the price difference is... Rather steep.


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Purples are a boon in a high-recharge build and the procs can be very nice, but other than that they're pretty much a status thing.


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Rather than getting the whole set, I've found I get more mileage slotting one lower-end set (as others have said, Thunderstrike and Crushing Impact are wonderful!) and then using one slot for a purple proc.

All the utility, less of the cost!


 

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The cheapest way to get a purple set is to have a character with a sleep.
Do not confuse with "Sleep with a character."


 

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Purples are a boon in a high-recharge build and the procs can be very nice, but other than that they're pretty much a status thing.
I only have a few toons that have a couple purple sets on them, (I got them before the cost went through the roof)
I wouldn't really call having purple sets a status thing, cause my first toon with purples was all done over a long period of time where a few lucky drops helped fund them.

If anything the PVP IO procs are a LOT harder to get than purples.


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An example of a basic market method to get the purples you want:

1) Alignment Merits.
Don't save up for an actual purple. Instead, earn / buy 2, get a LOTG +7.5% recharge. (The price is going down on these as this tactic gains steam and starts to satisfy the market-- when I started, I could sell a crafted one for 220-250mil. Looking at it now, they seem to be closer to 175-200mil, but there may be other similar special rares that hold high value). Running the tips on the lowest settings (keep em at +0 difficulty, so the level 50 foes have a chance to drop a purple.

So, if you just buy a Hero merit every-other day, you'd need 100 reward merits and 40 million inf, you'd clear around 120-140 mil profit.
If you just go by earning merits, you can earn 3 LOTG's every 2 weeks and get around 500-600mil...

2) Architect Entertainment
This is counterintuitive, as the purples won't drop there, but there are some good spots in the commons that you can make good coin through cashing in some AE tickets. Have a stack you earned ages ago? Have some lowbies still leveling? Look at what's in demand and cash in some tickets. Granted, even at 4 million a rare, you'd need 100-150 sales to get the costly purples.

(Of course, there's a dearth of mid-tier commons right now with everyone playing their 50's, you could sell stacks of commons (much cheaper per ticket) for hundreds of thousands each, if your timing's right. I don't encourage 'helping' your timing by buying up all the cheaper items first :P )

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Now, if you're interested in marketing more aggressively, there are several level 50 rare recipes that you can usually buy for 20 million less than what they sell for (healing/defensive rares are the most well-known). Put up a low bid for 10 of them, and a day or 2 later, gather em, craft em, and resell em. With less than 5 mil in listing costs and under 5 mil in crafting costs, you can clear 100 mil with each stack.

Once you get the starting funds, you can have several stacks bidding at a time, moving at a rate that you constantly replenish and easily earn the $$ for 2 or 3 expensive purples a week.


 

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Do not confuse with "Sleep with a character."
That was how I read it at first.


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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
The easiest way to get them is to get alignment merits (either through tip missions or running TFs and converting merits). Now don't use the alignment merits to buy purples directly, it's not worth it. Instead use them to buy high value rare recipes (level 25 LotG 7.5%s are often a good choice but check the market) craft those and sell them on the market. You can often get 200 million for 2 A-Merits this way which, given the cost of purples works out to needing about 4-6 alignment merits for every purple recipe.

Now most people only slot 5 pieces of the set and the proc is generally a bit cheaper than the others so you're probably looking at around 50 alignment merits per character to get 10 purples this way.
This, plus, if you run those tip missions at level 50, you have a chance for purples to drop. Over the course of doing tips to get my Dominator her last couple of purple sets, I've had two purples drop.

Also, note what other people have said: Purples aren't necessarily the be-all-end-all IOs. The recharge bonuses are great... if you need recharge bonuses. But they mostly lack other popular bonuses (*cough*defense*cough*).


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Well, here's my $1.13 on the matter.

You plan the rest of your build around which Purples you need. You can have up to 5 different sets, but usually 2 to 3 will do it.

Buy sleep, confuse, hold, or stun first. Cheapest. I got a 5 set o Absolute Amazement for 300 mil total. Then, I wrangled a 5 set of Unbreakable for 500 mil.

So, that's what I paid total. 800 mil.

Ragnarok dropped for me along the way (so I slotted 5), as well as various other purples and respec recipies. I used the proceeds from these to build out everything else.

The inf isn't a big deal. It's a time game. ITFs, level 50 task forces, alignment missions, recipe farms, large groups, play every nite.

BUT, if you love your 50, you'll be doing that anyways.

No one goes from no IOs to full kit instantly. It's a journey of small steps. The good news, as you go along, you get better and get drops faster, make more inf and also, have more fun.

And BTW, purples are awesome. They aren't everything, but seriously... 2 to 3 sets make a big difference.


 

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Originally Posted by Camper View Post
My advice is, if you are just starting to look at IO sets, don't start with purples.

It's amazing how much you can improve your build with a relatively cheap application of Thunderstrike, Crushing Impact, Doctored Wounds, Red Fortune and the like.

If, after you fool around with the affordable stuff, you find that you are having fun and still want to do more with your build, then you can step up to the higher priced stuff.
This is excellent advice.

Purples are by no means necessary and are mainly a luxury item.

But when you find something to put them in, awesomeness can ensue. (Just got a Ragnarok set for Thunderous Blast on my electric blaster...whoa!)

And currently trying to finish out an Armageddon set, but in the past two weeks one of the pieces went from sub-400 million to 700-800 million.


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Also, note what other people have said: Purples aren't necessarily the be-all-end-all IOs. The recharge bonuses are great... if you need recharge bonuses. But they mostly lack other popular bonuses (*cough*defense*cough*).
I have several characters who would be made substantially weaker if I replaced their current sets with purples.


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Also, note what other people have said: Purples aren't necessarily the be-all-end-all IOs. The recharge bonuses are great... if you need recharge bonuses. But they mostly lack other popular bonuses (*cough*defense*cough*).
I've noticed that many of the purple sets appear to be arranged so that the maximum utility from the enhancement percentages themselves comes with a number of enhancements below the point at which you get the most useful set bonus, which means that you're paying hugely for inefficient slotting.


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Eh, not really. Use the proc and you'll avoid that issue, especially once the alpha slot is unlocked.

Anyway, there aren't that many builds that really strongly benefit from purple sets. Dominators and other builds with extreme +rech needs get the most out of them, and builds that need a lot of recovery get some help (although in that case you're often better off frankenslotting them for the sake of the +rec bonus.) Defense builds often can't get away with using many purple sets at all, just because most purple sets don't have defensive bonuses.

Lots of folks have the attitude that they want to work toward the most expensive and 'best' thing, and that means purple sets, without putting much thought at all into what's most useful for how their character actually plays. Compare the set bonuses on, say, obliteration and armageddon, or on posi's blast and ragnarok. Is it more useful for your character to have one set of fancy purples, or 4-5 sets of oranges?


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Don't need purples.

Just get the A-Merits to get the rare orange procs (LOTG Recharge, Numina's Regen/Rec, and or Miracle) and become an Incarnate.


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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
Failing that, put up bids for 40 mil and leave them up for a long time. You might get lucky and someone will accidentally leave off a 0 when posting their recipe.
But that isn't how the bid system works. Anyone who is bidding higher than you will get it.

And speaking for myself personally, I only get 2 or 3 Set Bonuses on a character (usually -4 Knockback resist, Regeneration Increase, etc.). I do just fine on TF's and such. The devs have always lived up to their claims that features like Set Bonus IO's and even normal IO's were always optional. I completely agree from my own experience.


 

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But that isn't how the bid system works. Anyone who is bidding higher than you will get it.
Eventually it'll go to you! Maybe! One can hope!


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Eventually it'll go to you! Maybe! One can hope!
Exactly. I know a couple sgmates that put up lowball bids on things like the numina's proc or miracle proc and got it for like 2 or 3 million instead of the 200-300 million that they were at the time. Sometimes you never know

I've been on the other end of that myself. I put an Apoc.: proc recipe up on the market for 45 million instead of 450 million....bah! hehe....yeah....


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