Avatea strike target of the week? Your kidding...
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Posted on: 2011-02-03 19:09 in Player Questions
In addition to what mousedroid said, the fact is that when these TF of the Week things happen, there will be lots and lots of people wanting to do the TF . . . for double merits if nothing else. That's a pretty significant reward.
I feel your complaint is unmerited. Nobody is "forced" to do anything . . . If you choose to run the WSF, you get the bonus reward. Who says that every level 50 character has to get every reward NAOW!!!!!?
If you want to run a "speed" run, then join a "speed" team. If you want to run for the XP, then run a "slow" team where you kill most or all of the foes. I have seen plenty of both for the TF runs so far. There is no shortage of teams and you can pick and choose which type you want to run. I have not seen ANY conflicts between players of the type you describe because there are plenty of teams doing both types of runs.
I, for one, am looking forward to running a wider variety of TFs under the WSF banner. There is a limited number of level 50 TFs, and running them over and over and over and over again gets boring. (Just last weekend I ran a Synapse TF -- I had the badge for it on that level 50 character, but it was a nice change of pace and the 50 merits were nice. I'm looking forward to getting 98 merits instead!) I'm looking forward to being able to pull out a few of my lower level characters to get some XP, since the WSF makes it so easy to find a team.
And by the way, not everyone subscribes to the same definition of "fun." Some of us enjoy those other TFs. Even during the last few weeks of WSFs, I have frequently seen requests in global channels to run Manticore and Citadel, Sister and Numina, and even Positron on Blue side, and several various SFs on Red side. (I mainly hang out Blue side.) I almost felt "pressured" to keep running the WSF because of the bonus rewards, even though the others look like fun, too.
Frankly, any of the TFs or SFs are fun with a decent team. I have even had fun running Quarterfield with the right team. They are especially enjoyable when I'm teamed with my usual group of 3-5 buddies and then we add in a few others that we have teamed with on a regular basis.
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Double the merits is a waste of time?| Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time |
Can I have yours? You obviously don't care about them.
Being able to run a Sister on your lower characters because there's enough people doing them regularly that you can find a team, and therefore gain credit toward TFC, which is a useful accolade?
Yes, please. I hope they do the same with some of the other lower TFs.
Thankfully the Devs aren't as singularly focused as you seem to be.
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Mmm...
I will make a stand and simply say I oppose Sister and lowbie TFs being part of WST. I understand that, maybe, just maybe, WST is not only about Incarnate; and in fact it may be only a temporary measure to acquire notices of the well until I20 kicks in. But as of now, Notices of the Well is a key ingredient for level 50s progessing through out the incanate system, and they can only be acquired via the WST. Now we can play coy all we want, but lets face some obvious observables: 1. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs Notices of the Wells. 2. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs lots of shards, and I mean lots! Why would a level 50 intent in doing the new incarnate material, have any interest in doing lowbie material? Again we can play coy in this and come up with some lame excuses, but frankly, there is no good reason to do this from an incarnate progression perspective. Today with my 36 level 50 alts, I have no use for low level material, I need shards, shards, shards, and more shards. As Wendy said, if we take a level 50 incarnate minded player and force him into Sister, what you think that player is gonna do? "Duh, lets kill all mobs, because some whinny lowbie wants exp" No, they are going to device and practice the most expedient way to complete a very boring TF to get the only thing of value from it: Notice of the well. I have expressed my concern in other threads about mixing 50s with lowbies in TFs, and the week of Sis its going to get very very ugly. The problem is that 2 very different set of goal minded people are going to collide head to head, I predict lasting enmities between players is going to occur from this. What are the 2 main set of goal minded people? The first, the obvious, lowbies using the TF to get exp and level. To these folk, nothing but a kill all mobs would be acceptable, plain an simple. The second, and just as obvious, are level 50s hunting for Notices. To this folk, doing anything beyond what minimally is needed would be unacceptable. Now I do point the finger at the developers for being "irresponsible" enough to set a clear situation "Sister TF" where these two frames of mind are guaranteed to collide. Sheesh, and I thought this game was about having fun... Stormy Ps: Fortunately by the time Sister comes around I would have accumulated sufficient notices, to not need to bother with Sister at all! After all I need to gain lots of shards from 50s content. Frankly, Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time. Incidentally, does Sister drop any decent recipes? Certainly no chance for purples... |
When I run Sister Psyche next week, I'll have no issue doing a kill most or kill all for the lower level characters.
I can run an ITF for shards later.
I can run a few RWZ missions for grai and decon for shards.
Everything you wrote is based on hoe YOU play the game and what YOU want. Me? I'll get the Notice in time, anyways. Might as well get a lively group going while I'm at it? And... then what? Nothing for a week? No, I'll be running TFs for merits etc, some of which are low level.
Not everyone feels the need to run things in the most efficient way. Some of us enjoy the interaction. Some of us have friends in game with low level characters who need the exp and we'd gladly help. Some of us ARE low level characters.
You want shards and a notice? Here's how. Get a solid group for Sister Psyche, get it done quick, then hop over to Cim and use the same group on an ITF. I am willing to bet that in 3 hours, both will be done, you'll have 5 shards and a nictus fragment for more shards if you like.
At worst, it's a 1 and a half our detour from your regular schedule to get something you want/need. If it's that much of a hassle, turn in your mouse and keyboard and take up woodworking or something.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Double the merits is a waste of time?
Can I have yours? You obviously don't care about them. Being able to run a Sister on your lower characters because there's enough people doing them regularly that you can find a team, and therefore gain credit toward TFC, which is a useful accolade? Yes, please. I hope they do the same with some of the other lower TFs. Thankfully the Devs aren't as singularly focused as you seem to be. |
I've a load of characters near enough this level range which means I'll be able to join in the fun for a change and get double merits too.
Must try and get my Warshade to 20 actually, he's even got 40 mill spare (thank you random Steadfast drop) to convert the 100 merit reward into two A-Merits at some point.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Double the merits is a waste of time?
Thankfully the Devs aren't as singularly focused as you seem to be. |
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I love that Psyche is the next WST! My reasons?
1. I have 2 in that level range who wil benefit greatly from doing a TF and getting the bonus XP, in addition to the reward merit bonuses.
2. My main badger has yet to do the Pirates SF, so I'm going to get that one in. One of my other badgers hasn't done the Psyche TF yet, so it should be easy enough to find a team for it.
3. I can go back on some not played as much toons and get Psyche for those who haven't earned it yet for TF commander.
Sure, some people may not want to run Psyche/Pirates (ooo, new villain name - Psyche Pirate.....would DC sue?), but there will be others who will want to run it, so it should even out.
I find your lack of signature disturbing.
So.. you totally missed the idea of the Devs working their way into making sure people will do content that is sometimes ignored. A WSF also makes sure AE babies will do tf's they never done... even if its just to get stronger. There is no way to power level yourself to a Very Rare Alpha slot!
For lower toons there is the double merits... for lvl 50 toons the notice of the well should be enough reason to do a lower lvl tf. Doing a lower level tf just for fun should already be enough reason.
NO! You are not less powerful even if your level is lower. You have powers available above your level and you have IO sets and enhancements. You r lvl 50 should be able to steam roll lower level tf's if you know how to play. Which you should if you played to lvl 50 the honest way.
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Erm, one thing here. Chances are if you're exempted down to 25 then chances are a lot of your Set Bonuses won't work, unless you've been slotting with level 28 or Purple IOs.|
Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
So.. you totally missed the idea of the Devs working their way into making sure people will do content that is sometimes ignored. A WSF also makes sure AE babies will do tf's they never done... even if its just to get stronger. There is no way to power level yourself to a Very Rare Alpha slot!
For lower toons there is the double merits... for lvl 50 toons the notice of the well should be enough reason to do a lower lvl tf. Doing a lower level tf just for fun should already be enough reason. NO! You are not less powerful even if your level is lower. You have powers available above your level and you have IO sets and enhancements. You r lvl 50 should be able to steam roll lower level tf's if you know how to play. Which you should if you played to lvl 50 the honest way. |
Power-wise you'll have your level 26, 28 and 30 powers. Obviously how hard this hits you is powerset dependent.
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Still means you are more powerful then you where at that actual level. That should be enough. Challenge is the word here! Not I-am-drunk-and-slap-things-mindlessly-and-still-win!|
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Erm, one thing here. Chances are if you're exempted down to 25 then chances are a lot of your Set Bonuses won't work, unless you've been slotting with level 28 or Purple IOs.
Power-wise you'll have your level 26, 28 and 30 powers. Obviously how hard this hits you is powerset dependent. |
This is already too much in this game.
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Why would a level 50 intent in doing the new incarnate material, have any interest in doing lowbie material?
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| Today with my 36 level 50 alts, I have no use for low level material, I need shards, shards, shards, and more shards. |
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As Wendy said, if we take a level 50 incarnate minded player and force him into Sister, what you think that player is gonna do? "Duh, lets kill all mobs, because some whinny lowbie wants exp" No, they are going to device and practice the most expedient way to complete a very boring TF to get the only thing of value from it: Notice of the well. |
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I have expressed my concern in other threads about mixing 50s with lowbies in TFs, and the week of Sis its going to get very very ugly. The problem is that 2 very different set of goal minded people are going to collide head to head, I predict lasting enmities between players is going to occur from this. |
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What are the 2 main set of goal minded people? The first, the obvious, lowbies using the TF to get exp and level. To these folk, nothing but a kill all mobs would be acceptable, plain an simple. The second, and just as obvious, are level 50s hunting for Notices. To this folk, doing anything beyond what minimally is needed would be unacceptable. |
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Now I do point the finger at the developers for being "irresponsible" enough to set a clear situation "Sister TF" where these two frames of mind are guaranteed to collide. Sheesh, and I thought this game was about having fun... |
Okay, Jack, you just keep thinking that way.
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| Ps: Fortunately by the time Sister comes around I would have accumulated sufficient notices, to not need to bother with Sister at all! After all I need to gain lots of shards from 50s content. |
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| Frankly, Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time. Incidentally, does Sister drop any decent recipes? Certainly no chance for purples... |
Pffft.
And by the way, Steadfast Protection, Regenerative Tissue, and Kismet all fall into that level range, and are either enemy defeat drops, or mission complete drops.
You just go ahead and keep telling everyone how you know what they think is fun.
And we'll just go ahead and keep laughing at you.
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I'm not disagreeing with your sentiments, just pointing out that IO Sets are one thing which won't necessarily add to that power.|
Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
Still means you are more powerful then you where at that actual level. That should be enough. Challenge is the word here! Not I-am-drunk-and-slap-things-mindlessly-and-still-win!
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Of course given that I'm a total Frankenslotter anyway that wouldn't affect any of my characters at all really.
Oh, and never write off the drunk-and-slap-things-mindlessly, my Tekken Tag Survival record of 37 wins in a row happened when I was very, very drunk one night. My flatmate couldn't believe it when he came home and was having a slurred conversation with me whilest I was still in the middle of it and decimating things whilest apparently not even looking at the TV.
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Drunkenness is practically a requirement to play on Pinnacle.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Oh, and never write off the drunk-and-slap-things-mindlessly, my Tekken Tag Survival record of 37 wins in a row happened when I was very, very drunk one night. My flatmate couldn't believe it when he came home and was having a slurred conversation with me whilest I was still in the middle of it and decimating things whilest apparently not even looking at the TV. |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
You know whats amusing?
At first, when the incarnate system was annouced and implemented people were worried about the devs disregarding the sub-50 levels and just focusing on incarnate content, and they raised a fuss.
Now that the devs have a way to include people that aren't working on incarnate content, the pro-endgamers now want all development focused on them and want the devs to ignore everything below level 50 and non incarnate related.
Funny how it works?
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WOW! All I can say is pure arrogance on your part to think that they way YOU think things should go are the only way they should be designed.|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Mmm...
I will make a stand and simply say I oppose Sister and lowbie TFs being part of WST. I understand that, maybe, just maybe, WST is not only about Incarnate; and in fact it may be only a temporary measure to acquire notices of the well until I20 kicks in. But as of now, Notices of the Well is a key ingredient for level 50s progessing through out the incanate system, and they can only be acquired via the WST. Now we can play coy all we want, but lets face some obvious observables: 1. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs Notices of the Wells. 2. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs lots of shards, and I mean lots! Why would a level 50 intent in doing the new incarnate material, have any interest in doing lowbie material? Again we can play coy in this and come up with some lame excuses, but frankly, there is no good reason to do this from an incarnate progression perspective. Today with my 36 level 50 alts, I have no use for low level material, I need shards, shards, shards, and more shards. As Wendy said, if we take a level 50 incarnate minded player and force him into Sister, what you think that player is gonna do? "Duh, lets kill all mobs, because some whinny lowbie wants exp" No, they are going to device and practice the most expedient way to complete a very boring TF to get the only thing of value from it: Notice of the well. I have expressed my concern in other threads about mixing 50s with lowbies in TFs, and the week of Sis its going to get very very ugly. The problem is that 2 very different set of goal minded people are going to collide head to head, I predict lasting enmities between players is going to occur from this. What are the 2 main set of goal minded people? The first, the obvious, lowbies using the TF to get exp and level. To these folk, nothing but a kill all mobs would be acceptable, plain an simple. The second, and just as obvious, are level 50s hunting for Notices. To this folk, doing anything beyond what minimally is needed would be unacceptable. Now I do point the finger at the developers for being "irresponsible" enough to set a clear situation "Sister TF" where these two frames of mind are guaranteed to collide. Sheesh, and I thought this game was about having fun... Stormy Ps: Fortunately by the time Sister comes around I would have accumulated sufficient notices, to not need to bother with Sister at all! After all I need to gain lots of shards from 50s content. Frankly, Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time. Incidentally, does Sister drop any decent recipes? Certainly no chance for purples... |
The WST is not based solely around the Incarnates. If it was then there would not be a need to have the double merits or xp bonus.
Yes the WST is currently the only way to obtain a Notice of the well but it will not be the only way in the future.
If you do not feel that the Sister TF is worth your time then don't run it. Or find a speed team and race through it as fast as possible. It is not that hard of a TF to get through quickly.
As others have pointed out, you will also be getting recipes that are not obtainable when all you do is run level 50 content. That is an offset for not getting purples or shards.
I find running any of the TF's fun and many others do to.
Additionally, having the lower TF's being in the sequence opens up many people to run low characters and help the advance which keep other parts of the game moving forward instead of ONLY the end game content.
I love that they have added more content for end game as I have lots of 50's I still love playing but there is also low level stuff that has been added which many people miss because all the focus is getting shards...shards...shards.
So from my perspective I will be taking advantage of this Sister TF being part of the WST to get lots of merits and leveling up some of my lower characters from that nice xp bonus.
If you do not agree then don't run them. Hopefully, I will not have to have you on my team and deal with someone ranting because they think the devs are out of their mind for putting end content mixed with other content.
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Until I20 hits, I can support that stand. After that, though, shards'll be dropping in it... (Personally, though, I'll be skipping it - my characters tend to be built for 29 as the lowest they can go [L30-32 IOs being the best tradeoff, IMHO, between power and amount of content that can be done without losing sets while exemplared])
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Mmm...
I will make a stand and simply say I oppose Sister and lowbie TFs being part of WST. |
Anyone else find it amusing that the people who were saying they don't want this game to turn into an endless grinding raidfest, where no one ever wants to do anything below the level cap........are some of the same people who are now opposing lower level TFs being added into the WST cycle?
There are quite a few people in the game who don't even have ONE level 50 character. They should just be ignored here so you can keep grinding shards on your 36 level 50s?
1) If they only made level 50 TFs eligible for the WST, those 4 TFs would get old quick. Or, rather even older, since they've all been around a while.
2) If only level 50 TFs were ever WSTs it would be next to impossible for someone running a level 30 character to generate any interest in a low level TF, because end game is what you do.
3) I suspect that the WST was going to happen anyway, and the Notice being available was an afterthought, because the Rare and Very Rare were ready, but the Trials meant to award it weren't yet.
I also don't really think the Incarnate system was really designed with the casual player in mind. Sure, they can do it if they want, but it really seems more like the devs' response to the people who have been complaining that there was nothing to do once you got to 50 for several years now. Most casual players don't actually play enough to get bored with it that quickly.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Most casual players don't actually play enough to get bored with it that quickly.
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Mmm...
I will make a stand and simply say I oppose Sister and lowbie TFs being part of WST. I understand that, maybe, just maybe, WST is not only about Incarnate; and in fact it may be only a temporary measure to acquire notices of the well until I20 kicks in. But as of now, Notices of the Well is a key ingredient for level 50s progessing through out the incanate system, and they can only be acquired via the WST. Now we can play coy all we want, but lets face some obvious observables: 1. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs Notices of the Wells. 2. Level 50s progressing in the incarnate system: Needs lots of shards, and I mean lots! Why would a level 50 intent in doing the new incarnate material, have any interest in doing lowbie material? Again we can play coy in this and come up with some lame excuses, but frankly, there is no good reason to do this from an incarnate progression perspective. Today with my 36 level 50 alts, I have no use for low level material, I need shards, shards, shards, and more shards. As Wendy said, if we take a level 50 incarnate minded player and force him into Sister, what you think that player is gonna do? "Duh, lets kill all mobs, because some whinny lowbie wants exp" No, they are going to device and practice the most expedient way to complete a very boring TF to get the only thing of value from it: Notice of the well. I have expressed my concern in other threads about mixing 50s with lowbies in TFs, and the week of Sis its going to get very very ugly. The problem is that 2 very different set of goal minded people are going to collide head to head, I predict lasting enmities between players is going to occur from this. What are the 2 main set of goal minded people? The first, the obvious, lowbies using the TF to get exp and level. To these folk, nothing but a kill all mobs would be acceptable, plain an simple. The second, and just as obvious, are level 50s hunting for Notices. To this folk, doing anything beyond what minimally is needed would be unacceptable. Now I do point the finger at the developers for being "irresponsible" enough to set a clear situation "Sister TF" where these two frames of mind are guaranteed to collide. Sheesh, and I thought this game was about having fun... Stormy Ps: Fortunately by the time Sister comes around I would have accumulated sufficient notices, to not need to bother with Sister at all! After all I need to gain lots of shards from 50s content. Frankly, Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time. Incidentally, does Sister drop any decent recipes? Certainly no chance for purples... |
Anyhow, I guess I will fighting with myself since I plan to get Notices for 50's plus level lowbies next week. How will I survive???
Can you still run Silver Mantis in an hour or less?
EDIT: or am i thinking about leviathan?
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That's very likely. Heck, they may even advertise their intentions to blast through the TF for the Notice when building their team, simply to avoid those pesky lowbies.|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
No, they are going to device and practice the most expedient way to complete a very boring TF to get the only thing of value from it: Notice of the well.
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| I have expressed my concern in other threads about mixing 50s with lowbies in TFs, and the week of Sis its going to get very very ugly. |
If lowbies want to earn as much experience as possible, wouldn't they try to avoid 50s?
Where's the problem?
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| The problem is that 2 very different set of goal minded people are going to collide head to head, I predict lasting enmities between players is going to occur from this. |
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| Sheesh, and I thought this game was about having fun... |
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| Frankly, Sister is plainly a 100% waste of time. Incidentally, does Sister drop any decent recipes? Certainly no chance for purples... |
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I usually run SM in about 35-45 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Terror1
Can you still run Silver Mantis in an hour or less?
EDIT: or am i thinking about leviathan? |
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Nope. I have a few lowbies that I intend to run through Sister Psyche and I intend to join the fastest teams possible. If I want to fight enemies for XP Sister Psyche is not going to be my preferred method of doing it, it is nothing but an endless and rather boring parade of Freakshow. I will be doing it because in addition to the normal TF rewards the WST give me a very large chunk of bonus XP and a total of 100 merits. Since I get both of those for TF completion I will happily look for the fastest way to get there.|
Originally Posted by Bossa_Nova
If lowbies want to earn as much experience as possible, wouldn't they try to avoid 50s?
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The Freedom Phalanx TFs are, for the most part, complete snooze-fests. They consist of an endless stream of missions with a single enemy type (except Positron). For the most part I do them once on each character for TF commander and then call it a day. I occasionally run Manticore on characters that have it since it isn't as long as the others and it's high enough level that things are interesting.
People seem to be predicting doom and conflict between people leveling characters and Incarnates in this WST and I really do not see it. In both cases the devs are bribing me to do a TF that I don't really enjoy, so I'll do it the same way in both cases.
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
I will make a stand and simply say I oppose Sister and lowbie TFs being part of WST.
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I totally agree! I have a few incarnates but I still have alts that I want to level up.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Anyone else find it amusing that the people who were saying they don't want this game to turn into an endless grinding raidfest, where no one ever wants to do anything below the level cap........are some of the same people who are now opposing lower level TFs being added into the WST cycle?
There are quite a few people in the game who don't even have ONE level 50 character. They should just be ignored here so you can keep grinding shards on your 36 level 50s? 1) If they only made level 50 TFs eligible for the WST, those 4 TFs would get old quick. Or, rather even older, since they've all been around a while. 2) If only level 50 TFs were ever WSTs it would be next to impossible for someone running a level 30 character to generate any interest in a low level TF, because end game is what you do. 3) I suspect that the WST was going to happen anyway, and the Notice being available was an afterthought, because the Rare and Very Rare were ready, but the Trials meant to award it weren't yet. I also don't really think the Incarnate system was really designed with the casual player in mind. Sure, they can do it if they want, but it really seems more like the devs' response to the people who have been complaining that there was nothing to do once you got to 50 for several years now. Most casual players don't actually play enough to get bored with it that quickly. |
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We're being invaded. Again. This time, instead of aliens, zombies, or eyeballs with teeth, it's the marching band.
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February 22nd to February 28th - Clamor and Destruction (from Sister Psyche in Independence Port) / Pirates of the Skies (from Silver Mantis in Sharkhead Isle or your supergroup or villaingroup base's mission computer or oracle)
becuase there is no doubt tons of people will be doing it during that week
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