Avatea strike target of the week? Your kidding...


Adeon Hawkwood

 

Posted

I would not say that the Weekly strike force is only about Incarnates. And that would be one of the reasons why it will not always be a level 50 TF.

If it was only about Incarnates than why would they give the big boost of XP upon completion for those which are not level 50.

I think it is a good idea that they are going to shuffle around which TF it will be but as someone before mentioned, it will give interesting how those choose ones when you run out of Villain side TF's.


Arc 52555: Tower of Darkness
Arc 139668: Bob's Crazy Car Dealership

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
Fixed.
That took me a minute. Genius.


Main Hero: Chad Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1396 Badges
Main Villain: Evil Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1193 Badges
Mission Architect arcs: Doctor Brainstorm's An Experiment Gone Awry, Arc ID 2093

-----
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nethergoat View Post
it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man View Post
That took me a minute. Genius.
Yeah, same here, I had to burn a few brain cells on that one, but it was well worth it (even though I only have a few remaining).


Leader of Legion of Valor/Fallen Legion (Victory server)
http://legionofvalor.guildportal.com / http://fallenlegion.guildportal.com

StainedGlassScarlet - L50 Spines/Inv Scrapper | Badges: 1,396
Avatar detail taken from full-size piece by Douglas Shuler here

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlloyd View Post
Or they could just leave out the Shard TFs. That way, everyone wins.
Or they could use it as an excuse to improve the Shard. That way, everyone really does win.


/vain hope


http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
I thought this thread was about Avatea being the strike target of the week?
Off subject: Every time I use an emote from the party pack I remember how I won it from that costume contest.

That means something to me.

Thank you for the good memories Avatea.

Thank you.


Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a “Notice” until the next week’s target?
No.

Do you realize that this is the first question you've asked in this thread you started in the Player Questions forum? And not only that, it is one that you already knew the answer for? Did you know that?

And did you know that I knew that you knew that? But, did you know that I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew?

__________________
Currently listening to Split Enz's Spellbound


Chief Hamster of the Fist of Justice / Shadows of Victory
Victory Server: Join Victory Forum for team forming and general game chat and IRC Chat: irc.hashmark.net #victory for offline chatting.
Rock, rock on Hamster.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notice’s of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason.
And the actual implementation gives double mission bonus and double merits - two reasons that have nothing to do with Incarnates.


Quote:
To get shards you have to defeat level 50 opponents. Doing lower level TF’s is just NOT efficient use of a level 50’s time. Especially if he already has the TF.
Then you can spend your time that week doing something more efficient. No one is forcing you to run the low level TF's. Personally, I routinely run low level TF's on high level toons. All of my characters are specifically built for exemping as low as level 30.


Quote:
I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons.
No, it's not poorly thought out at all. You just happen not to like it. Lots of other people do like it.


Quote:
Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50’s who have…not the other way around as many of you seem to think.
No. Unless you're a dev, you don't get to say what the intent is. That's just your opinion. My opinion is that the purpose is to offer something for everyone. Low levels can get extra XP. Incarnates can get the Notice of the Well. And EVERYONE benefits from double merits.


Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project

 

Posted

Does the WST mean patching every week?

I logged on today and had to download 120MB +/- for NA so I could get my hero notice since I couldn't finish the mish on Tuesday. I updated the EU client too with 120MB but then I had to reinstall another 340MB(it had to fix something). I aborted the EU download. I wasted 2 hours(1/2 hour download, 1/2 to apply for each client) because I could only get 25kbps.

This game in an instant has gone from fun to real frustration.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man View Post
That took me a minute. Genius.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Nelson View Post
Yeah, same here, I had to burn a few brain cells on that one, but it was well worth it (even though I only have a few remaining).
Thanks! It made me chuckle a little bit, glad I could share.

I think the biggest issue we will have with low level WST is people suddenly realizing how broken their respec builds are when they exemplar.

I can see it now, a team of all 50s do the Sister TF and nobody has a travel power of any kind(including ninja run) and most people have two attacks. I hope I get on one like that, just for the lulz.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Residentx_EU View Post
Does the WST mean patching every week?

I logged on today and had to download 120MB +/- for NA so I could get my hero notice since I couldn't finish the mish on Tuesday. I updated the EU client too with 120MB but then I had to reinstall another 340MB(it had to fix something). I aborted the EU download. I wasted 2 hours(1/2 hour download, 1/2 to apply for each client) because I could only get 25kbps.

This game in an instant has gone from fun to real frustration.
I seriously doubt it. We had the patch Tuesday for the new stuff, then an emergency fix a day later. I'm confident the devs simplified the process for themselves and us.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notice’s of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason.
I've highlighted an important word for you: a. It means 1. In other words, it's an option when i20 comes out, and a way to progress before i20. As has been mentioned many times before, the WST also involves (and has involved for the same amount of time as the notice) double XP and double merits. Strictly not an incarnate system reason. The idea seems to be to showcase a different TF each week, the incarnate system stuff being just a perk for 50s.

Quote:
Nobody who has commented knows why a lower level TF was picked as a “Target”.
I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons.
Then PM Avatea. Red names don't often respond in this part of the forums.

Quote:
Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50’s who have…not the other way around as many of you seem to think.
Maybe if it were the only way to progress in the incarnate system. But it's not. The very fact that <50 TFs are included suggests the notices are incentive for 50s to do content they normally wouldn't.

Quote:
Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a “Notice” until the next week’s target? So a level 49 doing the WST and making 50 has to wait another week..To get a “Notice”. So the double experience is actually a “Problem”, at least for him.
For now. Although the new 50 still has to unlock the alpha slot and then earn the mass of shards necessary to use the Notice they can't get until the next week. So it's probably not a big deal.

Quote:
I would not mind doing a lower level TF – if it was boosted to 50 for the week it was the target.
The system is not exclusively for 50s, and doesn't need to be.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
Again not the point...the choice of the TF is messy. It doesn't seem to fit the scheem of incarnate system or its purpose.
Hmmm... I wonder why that might be.

Quote:
Maybe it's just not understanding the developer purpose...
Why are you so sure you do? Seeing as the devs had to create this system, it might be closer to their purposes than any speculation any of us can come up with.

Quote:
Incarnate is an excellent reason to dust off the old 50's, using a lower level TF doesn't.
Maybe so, but it is great incentive for running TFs other than ITF.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
It’s good to see all the different opinions on the WST. Thank you all for responding to my initial post. Even the comments on grammar or spelling errors were noted.

The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notice’s of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason.

To get shards you have to defeat level 50 opponents. Doing lower level TF’s is just NOT efficient use of MY level 50’s time. Especially if he already has the TF.

Nobody who has commented knows why a lower level TF was picked as a “Target”.
I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons.

Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50’s who have…not the other way around as many of you seem to think.

Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a “Notice” until the next week’s target? So a level 49 doing the WST and making 50 has to wait another week..To get a “Notice”. So the double experience is actually a “Problem”, at least for him.

I would not mind doing a lower level TF – if it was boosted to 50 for the week it was the target.
What constitutes a good use of YOUR level 50's time and anyone else level 50's time is completely different.

My Incarnate is an actual hero, and thus takes any opportunity to fight against those that would undermine the stability of Paragon City. Sure she might not have a huge stockpile of 'lolzmygodimportantstuffincarnateshardzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz' as another Incarnate, but she also doesn't NEED a titanic stockpile because she knows how to get the components she needs without using them unless it's needed for a conversion.

To get a Very Rare you need 32 shards to fuse two Notice of the Well components into a Favor of the well. This means that an incarnate NEEDS a grand total of 48 shards to get one Very Rare tier alpha boost, that's it. 32 shards for the Favor, and 16 shards to upgrade two common components into Uncommon components for the uncommon boosts needed to upgrade into rares.

48 shards is chump change for someone who's been running all the level 50 TF's for their incarnate component reward option at the end. If said incarnate is intelligent and saves the shards by actually running something other than a LGTF or ITF so they can get something other than the ancient nictus fragment and hero 1 DNA sample reward options.

Run something other than your precious ITF once in a while. Other TFs do exist and do give incarnate rewards. Stygian Variolus got 8 shards or so on an STF last night, in addition to the bonus merits and notice of the well. I even took the doubled merit reward option because I had no use for an Essence of the Incarnate at the time!

Quote:
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall View Post
Most people already have the badges....or will by then.

That's not the point....I don't mind doing the tf...I do them all the time - for my friends as well as merits.

Will I enjoy the extra merits? Of course.

Again not the point...the choice of the TF is messy. It doesn't seem to fit the scheme of incarnate system or its purpose.

Maybe I'm just not understanding the developer's reasons...

Incarnate is an excellent reason to dust off the old 50's, using a lower level TF doesn't make sense.
Fixed a few typos and cleaned up some easily misread statements to what I think is your original intent...

That being said, your logic is flawed. Our Incarnates are Slow Growers, we will mature into our incarnate abilities slowly because of the way the Well is allowing us to advance. Forcing Incarnates to do a TF that strips their newfound powers from them IS a good idea, as it provides the observant Well with an insight into the character that willingly sacrifices this new toy for a while to help those with less power when they need it.

The developers are far from stupid, and the implementation has roots in mythology for supernatural beings taking note of someone they have marked doing something extraordinary while held back from their usual full power.

If nothing else, think of it as the Well noticing that while you can do an excellent job of stopping crime, your incarnate is still willing to take their time and rescue that stranded kitten or help the old lady cross the street despite the fact that such minor things do not earn you anywhere near the same fame and glory as curbstomping some silly Roman guy for the umpteen-millionth time.


 

Posted

i think the WST is a great idea. it gets folks to play all the TFs and not just the ITF or LGTF.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eisenzahn View Post
Or Moonfire.

Or Katie Hannon.

Or Hess.

Or Positron 1.

Or Positron 2.

Or Manticore.

You missed a few

Cavern of Transcendance
Sewer Trial
Eden


What this really highlights is the huge discrepancy in the content available for the two sides - oh and whilst we're on that there being no TF content in Praetoria for lvl 1-20.

I certainly welcome this encompassing the lower level TFs but several of those that could do with players being encouraged to play have no equivalent redside. As it stands there are no shortage of teams running ITF, LGTF, STF, LRSF, Posi 1 & 2, Sister P, Citadel, Cap, Silver Mantis. To a lesser extent Moonfire, Eden, Katie, SSTF3 & 4 but how often do you see a call for a Cavern Trial or Sewer Trial - even SSTF1 gets more interest.

And for those that think this should be 50 only content - just need the contact say something like
"So you think you're all powerful now you have started on the path to becoming an Incarnate - Well let's see how you perform when you don't have that advantage. Go and see <Insert name of lower level TF/SF contact> . They have something to test you with."

Permission granted to use that text or something based on it for any contact NPC in game


Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster View Post
And did you know that I knew that you knew that? But, did you know that I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew?
Gah...ow...


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaia View Post
but how often do you see a call for a Cavern Trial or Sewer Trial - even SSTF1 gets more interest.
I can see why the cavern isn't too popular. It takes longer to set up than to run. We did it in 11 mins on the weekend.


 

Posted

I don't want anyone to mistake me for agreeing with the OP. I don't. I like the idea of low level TF's being included in as the weekly strike target. However, I do have one concern. A lot of that old content is, quite frankly, dull. You typically grind through the same spawn of badguys on roughly the same map for about 60 minutes until you lose track of where you're at and then suddenly it's over with a final 30 seconds of something new.

While I don't mind being exemplared down (and actually ran a SisterP this weekend for no reason except that it was forming when I was looking), I really prefer playing the newer TF's, and won't participate as eagerly when they do drop down to the older, less enjoyable content.


I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey View Post
I don't want anyone to mistake me for agreeing with the OP. I don't. I like the idea of low level TF's being included in as the weekly strike target. However, I do have one concern. A lot of that old content is, quite frankly, dull. You typically grind through the same spawn of badguys on roughly the same map for about 60 minutes until you lose track of where you're at and then suddenly it's over with a final 30 seconds of something new.

While I don't mind being exemplared down (and actually ran a SisterP this weekend for no reason except that it was forming when I was looking), I really prefer playing the newer TF's, and won't participate as eagerly when they do drop down to the older, less enjoyable content.
There's that -- the farther back you go, the less enjoyable the content is. This peaked somewhere around the Shadow Shard. Back then the devs believed that "lots and lots of missions" made an epic, task force worthy experience. Older task forces lack that distinctive "fun" feeling, when you just do the same exact mission (defeat all Clockwork) 20 times in a row, before maybe an AV fight.

Newer arcs and task forces find ways to chop up the monotony and give us something to be interested in. At the very least, they keep it short and to the point (ITF, Tin, Apex). But even the remake of Posi shows that old can be good if it's just structured the right way.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossa_Nova View Post
I've italicized an important word for you
Quoted text is italicized already


http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miyabi View Post
Gah...ow...

__________________
Currently listening to Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble's Live Alive


Chief Hamster of the Fist of Justice / Shadows of Victory
Victory Server: Join Victory Forum for team forming and general game chat and IRC Chat: irc.hashmark.net #victory for offline chatting.
Rock, rock on Hamster.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlloyd View Post
Or they could just leave out the Shard TFs. That way, everyone wins.
LMAO!! I totally agree. That place just sucks. Did it once like 4 years ago, never step foot in there again since.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsha_Mallow View Post
LMAO!! I totally agree. That place just sucks. Did it once like 4 years ago, never step foot in there again since.
I still love the Shard in general but the TF's there do need to be revamped. Just too much running around.

There is so much potential out there.


Arc 52555: Tower of Darkness
Arc 139668: Bob's Crazy Car Dealership

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
Quoted text is italicized already
Let me wipe that egg off my face then.


 

Posted

I'm fairly certain a good number of people complaining that the WST isn't wholly geared towards Incarnates have come from "that other game." In "that other game" the high level content is Completely separate from anything before it. Thus giving high level toons in that game ZERO incentive to team up with lower level toons.

The WST Directly combats that. Now level 50 toons will go do lower level TFs Once In A While instead of JUST Incarnate TFs.

And the rest of the time they can go back to farming the ITF (or Tin Mage or Rikti Motherships or what have you).


Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavicle View Post
And the rest of the time they can go back to farming the ITF (or Tin Mage or Rikti Motherships or what have you).
You know, it's nowhere near as grindy as you think it is. I was on a fantastic ship raid today. Someone announced in Justice United that they'd dropped a pylon, so it might as well be a ship raid. I got into the fourth team, and I'm fairly sure a fifth formed. Lots of crazy fun was had by all, and I came away with five shards and over 600 Vanguard merits, and it was almost entirely spontaneous.

Good thing I needed two more Gr'ai Matter. And who doesn't like a HVAS in your back pocket?