Avatea strike target of the week? Your kidding...
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I thought this thread was about Avatea being the strike target of the week?
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That means something to me.
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Thank you.
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Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a Notice until the next weeks target?
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Do you realize that this is the first question you've asked in this thread you started in the Player Questions forum? And not only that, it is one that you already knew the answer for? Did you know that?
And did you know that I knew that you knew that? But, did you know that I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew?
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The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notices of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason.
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To get shards you have to defeat level 50 opponents. Doing lower level TFs is just NOT efficient use of a level 50s time. Especially if he already has the TF. |
I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons. |
Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50s who have not the other way around as many of you seem to think. |
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Does the WST mean patching every week?
I logged on today and had to download 120MB +/- for NA so I could get my hero notice since I couldn't finish the mish on Tuesday. I updated the EU client too with 120MB but then I had to reinstall another 340MB(it had to fix something). I aborted the EU download. I wasted 2 hours(1/2 hour download, 1/2 to apply for each client) because I could only get 25kbps.
This game in an instant has gone from fun to real frustration.
Yeah, same here, I had to burn a few brain cells on that one, but it was well worth it (even though I only have a few remaining).
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I think the biggest issue we will have with low level WST is people suddenly realizing how broken their respec builds are when they exemplar.
I can see it now, a team of all 50s do the Sister TF and nobody has a travel power of any kind(including ninja run) and most people have two attacks. I hope I get on one like that, just for the lulz.
Does the WST mean patching every week?
I logged on today and had to download 120MB +/- for NA so I could get my hero notice since I couldn't finish the mish on Tuesday. I updated the EU client too with 120MB but then I had to reinstall another 340MB(it had to fix something). I aborted the EU download. I wasted 2 hours(1/2 hour download, 1/2 to apply for each client) because I could only get 25kbps. This game in an instant has gone from fun to real frustration. |
The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notice’s of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason.
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Nobody who has commented knows why a lower level TF was picked as a “Target”. I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons. |
Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50’s who have…not the other way around as many of you seem to think. |
Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a “Notice” until the next week’s target? So a level 49 doing the WST and making 50 has to wait another week..To get a “Notice”. So the double experience is actually a “Problem”, at least for him. |
I would not mind doing a lower level TF – if it was boosted to 50 for the week it was the target. |
Again not the point...the choice of the TF is messy. It doesn't seem to fit the scheem of incarnate system or its purpose.
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Maybe it's just not understanding the developer purpose... |
Incarnate is an excellent reason to dust off the old 50's, using a lower level TF doesn't. |
Its good to see all the different opinions on the WST. Thank you all for responding to my initial post. Even the comments on grammar or spelling errors were noted.
The WST was proposed/advertised as a way to get Notices of the Well. That is strictly an incarnate system reason. To get shards you have to defeat level 50 opponents. Doing lower level TFs is just NOT efficient use of MY level 50s time. Especially if he already has the TF. Nobody who has commented knows why a lower level TF was picked as a Target. I only address Avatea with the subject, is because she/he is the one that posted it. It matters NOT who does, only that it is inefficient and therefore poorly thought out for the above reasons. Double experience, influence and merits seems to be incentive for people who have NOT done the incarnate system to help the level 50s who have not the other way around as many of you seem to think. Do you realize that if you have not unlocked the incarnate doing the WST actually prevents you from getting a Notice until the next weeks target? So a level 49 doing the WST and making 50 has to wait another week..To get a Notice. So the double experience is actually a Problem, at least for him. I would not mind doing a lower level TF if it was boosted to 50 for the week it was the target. |
My Incarnate is an actual hero, and thus takes any opportunity to fight against those that would undermine the stability of Paragon City. Sure she might not have a huge stockpile of 'lolzmygodimportantstuffincarnateshardzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz' as another Incarnate, but she also doesn't NEED a titanic stockpile because she knows how to get the components she needs without using them unless it's needed for a conversion.
To get a Very Rare you need 32 shards to fuse two Notice of the Well components into a Favor of the well. This means that an incarnate NEEDS a grand total of 48 shards to get one Very Rare tier alpha boost, that's it. 32 shards for the Favor, and 16 shards to upgrade two common components into Uncommon components for the uncommon boosts needed to upgrade into rares.
48 shards is chump change for someone who's been running all the level 50 TF's for their incarnate component reward option at the end. If said incarnate is intelligent and saves the shards by actually running something other than a LGTF or ITF so they can get something other than the ancient nictus fragment and hero 1 DNA sample reward options.
Run something other than your precious ITF once in a while. Other TFs do exist and do give incarnate rewards. Stygian Variolus got 8 shards or so on an STF last night, in addition to the bonus merits and notice of the well. I even took the doubled merit reward option because I had no use for an Essence of the Incarnate at the time!
Most people already have the badges....or will by then.
That's not the point....I don't mind doing the tf...I do them all the time - for my friends as well as merits. Will I enjoy the extra merits? Of course. Again not the point...the choice of the TF is messy. It doesn't seem to fit the scheme of incarnate system or its purpose. Maybe I'm just not understanding the developer's reasons... Incarnate is an excellent reason to dust off the old 50's, using a lower level TF doesn't make sense. |
That being said, your logic is flawed. Our Incarnates are Slow Growers, we will mature into our incarnate abilities slowly because of the way the Well is allowing us to advance. Forcing Incarnates to do a TF that strips their newfound powers from them IS a good idea, as it provides the observant Well with an insight into the character that willingly sacrifices this new toy for a while to help those with less power when they need it.
The developers are far from stupid, and the implementation has roots in mythology for supernatural beings taking note of someone they have marked doing something extraordinary while held back from their usual full power.
If nothing else, think of it as the Well noticing that while you can do an excellent job of stopping crime, your incarnate is still willing to take their time and rescue that stranded kitten or help the old lady cross the street despite the fact that such minor things do not earn you anywhere near the same fame and glory as curbstomping some silly Roman guy for the umpteen-millionth time.
i think the WST is a great idea. it gets folks to play all the TFs and not just the ITF or LGTF.
Or Moonfire.
Or Katie Hannon. Or Hess. Or Positron 1. Or Positron 2. Or Manticore. |
You missed a few
Cavern of Transcendance
Sewer Trial
Eden
What this really highlights is the huge discrepancy in the content available for the two sides - oh and whilst we're on that there being no TF content in Praetoria for lvl 1-20.
I certainly welcome this encompassing the lower level TFs but several of those that could do with players being encouraged to play have no equivalent redside. As it stands there are no shortage of teams running ITF, LGTF, STF, LRSF, Posi 1 & 2, Sister P, Citadel, Cap, Silver Mantis. To a lesser extent Moonfire, Eden, Katie, SSTF3 & 4 but how often do you see a call for a Cavern Trial or Sewer Trial - even SSTF1 gets more interest.
And for those that think this should be 50 only content - just need the contact say something like
"So you think you're all powerful now you have started on the path to becoming an Incarnate - Well let's see how you perform when you don't have that advantage. Go and see <Insert name of lower level TF/SF contact> . They have something to test you with."
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I don't want anyone to mistake me for agreeing with the OP. I don't. I like the idea of low level TF's being included in as the weekly strike target. However, I do have one concern. A lot of that old content is, quite frankly, dull. You typically grind through the same spawn of badguys on roughly the same map for about 60 minutes until you lose track of where you're at and then suddenly it's over with a final 30 seconds of something new.
While I don't mind being exemplared down (and actually ran a SisterP this weekend for no reason except that it was forming when I was looking), I really prefer playing the newer TF's, and won't participate as eagerly when they do drop down to the older, less enjoyable content.
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I don't want anyone to mistake me for agreeing with the OP. I don't. I like the idea of low level TF's being included in as the weekly strike target. However, I do have one concern. A lot of that old content is, quite frankly, dull. You typically grind through the same spawn of badguys on roughly the same map for about 60 minutes until you lose track of where you're at and then suddenly it's over with a final 30 seconds of something new.
While I don't mind being exemplared down (and actually ran a SisterP this weekend for no reason except that it was forming when I was looking), I really prefer playing the newer TF's, and won't participate as eagerly when they do drop down to the older, less enjoyable content. |
Newer arcs and task forces find ways to chop up the monotony and give us something to be interested in. At the very least, they keep it short and to the point (ITF, Tin, Apex). But even the remake of Posi shows that old can be good if it's just structured the right way.
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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LMAO!! I totally agree. That place just sucks. Did it once like 4 years ago, never step foot in there again since.
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I'm fairly certain a good number of people complaining that the WST isn't wholly geared towards Incarnates have come from "that other game." In "that other game" the high level content is Completely separate from anything before it. Thus giving high level toons in that game ZERO incentive to team up with lower level toons.
The WST Directly combats that. Now level 50 toons will go do lower level TFs Once In A While instead of JUST Incarnate TFs.
And the rest of the time they can go back to farming the ITF (or Tin Mage or Rikti Motherships or what have you).
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And the rest of the time they can go back to farming the ITF (or Tin Mage or Rikti Motherships or what have you).
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I would not say that the Weekly strike force is only about Incarnates. And that would be one of the reasons why it will not always be a level 50 TF.
If it was only about Incarnates than why would they give the big boost of XP upon completion for those which are not level 50.
I think it is a good idea that they are going to shuffle around which TF it will be but as someone before mentioned, it will give interesting how those choose ones when you run out of Villain side TF's.
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