I don't know about other builds but here is what on my non-supered out (ie regular game build) Spines/Fire scrapper, from one run of FRONTLOAD-fuzzy kittens +4/8:
Influence: 5,507,509
Time: 1:57
Reactive T3, 75% damage- 67165
Blazing Aura- 23427
Quills- 11531 (shows 1886, but I'm assuming it's tracking Quills as the power Flashpulse and that is the number for quills crits)
Spines Burst- 8192
Throw Spines- 23410
Fire Ball- 12942
Burn- 15432
I have no idea how good/bad these numbers are, but I can say that Burn, Quills, and Blazing contributed way more than my other powers, simply through the reactive proc.
TW/Elec Optimization
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Rain of fire doesn't debuff defense
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Actually it will add at least 1 tick of around 12 damage (vs even level mobs) 99.9% of the time. Every time your attacks do damage it has 5 chances to add additional damage. Each one of those rolls have a 75% chance to hit. So your odds of missing all 5 of those is 1:1024 meaning you have a 0.09765% chance of doing no extra damage or slightly more than a 99.9% chance of doing some extra damage.
So you can turn sleet slotted for just recharge from an attack doing 25 damage or so into a nuke doing 900-4500 that is up every 15-30 seconds with decent recharge. Oh and don't forget the resist debuff that sleet adds along with the resist debuff from the reactive proc as well. Consider too that if you get a Fire/Storm you would have accees to rain of fire, freezing rain and tornado. That is just 3 kinds of wrong right there. |
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Plasmic's Guide to Regeneration
Plasmic Fire - 50 Fire/Rad Victory Server
Your point? Did I ever claim it did?
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I believe you nailed it, thanks.
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Granite, you might be trying to reactivate veng while it still up. Which doesnt work, you have to wait for it to wear off before you can reapply it. But it could just be timed weird so that this always ends up happening during a rage crash. Thats all i can come up with.
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All hail the T4 reactive proc! I swapped my epic from Earth to Ice, adding Ice Storm and its many, many ticks of damage. |
Originally Posted by Syntax42
The primary reason Reactive procs are contributing so much damage is that their powers do very little damage, but tick several times per second. Each tick may only do 1 damage by itself, but the reactive proc adds 10 more damage 75% of the time. In addition, going from tier 2 for a 25% chance to tier 3 for a 75% chance of fire damage makes a HUGE difference.
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Fuzzy Kitten frontloaded, +4/x8/with bosses:
Time: 2:43
Inf: 7.9M (2.9M inf/min)
Tix: 475/min
DAMAGE:
Bonus (procs).........25,316
Judgement.............10,070
Reactive Interface...102,375
Roots.................11,966
Hazel Black - Mind/Psi D
Stephanie Winters - Nightwidow
Jacqui Frost - Cold/Ice D
Jacqui Embers - Fire/Kin C
Simone Templar - Fire/MM B
Mallory Woods - Kin/Rad D
Sanguine Melody - Grav/Sonic C
Fumina Hara - Plant/Storm C
Nutmeg - Warshade
Lauren Wu - SS/WP B
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Absolutely nothing, I was thinking so completely different lol
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Your point? Did I ever claim it did?
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Plasmic's Guide to Sonic/Mental
Plasmic's Guide to Regeneration
Plasmic Fire - 50 Fire/Rad Victory Server
On a traps / dark defender, 0 / 8 AE ambush mish with bosses:
619 tickets / minute
189,000 damage of which 120,000 was reactive
Gotta love those stacked Caltrops patches 
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Okay, you just sold me. I'll get Reactive for my DM/Nin Stalker.
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Originally Posted by BurningChick
On a traps / dark defender, 0 / 8 AE ambush mish with bosses:
619 tickets / minute 189,000 damage of which 120,000 was reactive Gotta love those stacked Caltrops patches |
Too many alts to list.
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What sets Caltrops apart, IME, is that you can have 2 or 3 out all the time so you can, at least theoretically, get 20+ mobs lit on fire.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Grumpums
Okay, you just sold me. I'll get Reactive for my DM/Nin Stalker.
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The hillarity increases if I can keep 2 Acid Mortars out (they're destructible) since they fire an AoE that can also set off Reactive (in addition to debuffing resistance).
So ... not sure how long it's going to last. Caveat emptor with Reactive and your stalker because, IME, it's the tiniest bit insane right now.
Edit: oh my god, I'm my own worst proof reader.
Starting to wish i never deleted all my trap toons in their mid 20-30s >.<
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
Really wish I got my Fire/Storm to 50. Can you imagine sleet and RoF with that reactive proc going off?
My personal Favorite is Elec/fire Brute...3 AoE's and 2 build-up powers, and with the brute fury means mass damage...close 2nd is Claws/fire brute, because of fast recharge and the attack power follow up that boost damage and to hit which can be stacked, with muitiple AoE's cause mass damage quickly...Comes down to personal preference
SS/fire brute is 3rd mainly because of only 2 aoe's and Footstomp has a slower recharge
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I just PLed up a Fire/Cold just for this. Unlocked the T3 Reactive last night and it is...a sight to behold. All I could say was holy **** on Vent when I first used it.
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Originally Posted by Neogumbercules
Really wish I got my Fire/Storm to 50. Can you imagine sleet and RoF with that reactive proc going off?
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Originally Posted by Murdok
Your mom's real name is Castle.
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I figured I should ask this here instead of starting a whole new thread. I have the T3 reactive 75% fire damage proc on my SS/Fire/Mu. He farms really fast now(I've never taken numbers), but I was wondering if anyone has taken the arctic pool for ice storm. It seems like it might do more damage now than EF and BL but I'm not sure. Any thoughts on this?
I like turtles
I have been thinking about this myself. But im too lazy to try it out.
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
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My fire tanker has Ice Storm, my SS / Fire has Mu. When Ice Storm is up, it's very, very nice. But the Mu powers recharge much faster.|
Originally Posted by Hottieforhire
I figured I should ask this here instead of starting a whole new thread. I have the T3 reactive 75% fire damage proc on my SS/Fire/Mu. He farms really fast now(I've never taken numbers), but I was wondering if anyone has taken the arctic pool for ice storm. It seems like it might do more damage now than EF and BL but I'm not sure. Any thoughts on this?
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My gut feeling is that Ice Storm would probably outpace Mu on high recharge builds, [edit]or at least be competitive because the fast DoT ensures that mobs are tagged with the max possible number of procs.
So I went ahead and tried this out. I put Ice storm with 2 damage procs in my build. while playing it feels slower because there are times when you are waiting on recharge. I have to say tho, it goes MUCH faster with Ice Storm. I run the Frontloaded mish and I am very happy with the change. Here is my build in case anyone was wondering.
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AMID Smash: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Arctic Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(36), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(37), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(46), Mocking-Rchg(46)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(27), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(34)
Level 2: Blazing Aura -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(3), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Oblit-%Dam(15), EndRdx-I(25)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(13), Dct'dW-Rchg(13)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dam%(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(11), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(11)
Level 10: Boxing -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(17), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(25)
Level 18: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(19), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(19), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(23)
Level 20: Consume -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(21), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(21), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(23), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(43), Mocking-Rchg(43)
Level 22: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 28: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Oblit-%Dam(31)
Level 30: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(40)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Rise of the Phoenix -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(39), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(39), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(39), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(40)
Level 41: Chilblain -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Ice Blast -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(45), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Posi-Dam%(A), Ragnrk-Knock%(48), ImpSwft-Dam%(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(50), Det'tn-Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Temperature Protection -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Total Core Revamp
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(37), P'Shift-End%(37)
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I like turtles
Alright just respeced into ice. Ill have better numbers in a sec. So far gut says not any better.
Edit: its better.
FIRE!(other) ID 460877
+4/x8 with bosses
With Mu
8:11 (1:38 avg per mish)
13.149mil inf
1.606 mil inf/min
7,296 tix
885 tix/min
With Ice
6:55 (1:23 avg per mish) (i had some really bad lag for one mish so these results are messed up)
12.057mil inf
1,743,180 inf/min (i think)
6900 tix
997 tix/min
Now, a few notes.
This was the first time running with /ice so it will get faster as i get used to it.
What made ice faster for me i think was that i could cast ice on the mob and then turn on hasten/rage/FE. But with mu best i could do was cast burn then use those powers.
NO LOAD TIMES.
Was in SG mode.
Ageless core, reactive radial, spirit core, ion core. All t4
There is also the rather big down side to this. You need reactive, which would mean an iTrial build. So it doesnt work if you just wanted that cheap quick farmer that never leaves AE.
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
I use my own farm now. Spawn the mobs up front then hop to the back. I use my normal aoes like footstomp and burn on the stuff around me and Ice storm on the ambushes that just hang around in the front and that seems to melt stuff the fastest. 496881 if anyone cares about the number.
Just finished a run in 2:36 on an average of 3.58 mil / min. If you spawn the ambushes, jump back and fire off a couple footstomps before hitting rage, you can be done before rage even crashes
Reactive core makes a huge difference.
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So 2.6 min x 3.58 M/min = 9.3 M inf? Did you just clear the front hallway, through the area the ambushes spawn?|
Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
I use my own farm now 496881 if anyone cares about the number.
Just finished a run in 2:36 on an average of 3.58 mil / min. |
I ran your mission just now at +4/x8/with bosses and only got 8.4 M inf -- 3:07 and 2.70 M/min. I didn't use seeds of confusion, so no XP loss there. Any ideas where the other million influence came from on your run?
Hazel Black - Mind/Psi D
Stephanie Winters - Nightwidow
Jacqui Frost - Cold/Ice D
Jacqui Embers - Fire/Kin C
Simone Templar - Fire/MM B
Mallory Woods - Kin/Rad D
Sanguine Melody - Grav/Sonic C
Fumina Hara - Plant/Storm C
Nutmeg - Warshade
Lauren Wu - SS/WP B
So this is my first farming brute! Haven't personally been a farmer in 2 yrs, and back then it was the good ol fire/kin/psi troller.
Currently at lvl 25 so im hoping this build work out!
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.94
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Smite KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Fire Shield RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), RctvArm-ResDam(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 2: Blazing Aura Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(9), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 4: Healing Flames Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(11), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 6: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(15)
Level 8: Siphon Life C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Heal-I(19)
Level 10: Temperature Protection S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(50)
Level 12: Boxing KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 14: Super Jump Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(23), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 18: Dark Consumption Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(27), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(27), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(29), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(48), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 20: Tough ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(29)
Level 22: Weave LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(31), GftotA-Def(31)
Level 24: Consume Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(42), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 26: Soul Drain Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 28: Burn Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(37), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 30: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp Hectmb-Dam%(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(42), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(42)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace RechRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Maneuvers LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(43), GftotA-Def(43)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(45), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(45), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(45)
Level 44: Ball Lightning Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Tactics EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Vengeance LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift Empty(A)
Level 2: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(39)
Level 2: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(37), P'Shift-End%(39)
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So,
Is getting the T4 worth it or just stick with the T3 (75% chance to proc)?
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A bunch of toons! (Freedom, Virtue, and a few on Infinity)
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Runners might be my XP leak. I ran the mission again and earned just under 8 million inf in 2:37 -- 3.01 M inf/min. Definitely good speed, but still not up to top brute-level smashing.
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Originally Posted by Mezzosoprano
So 2.6 min x 3.58 M/min = 9.3 M inf? Did you just clear the front hallway, through the area the ambushes spawn?
I ran your mission just now at +4/x8/with bosses and only got 8.4 M inf -- 3:07 and 2.70 M/min. I didn't use seeds of confusion, so no XP loss there. Any ideas where the other million influence came from on your run? |
Hazel Black - Mind/Psi D
Stephanie Winters - Nightwidow
Jacqui Frost - Cold/Ice D
Jacqui Embers - Fire/Kin C
Simone Templar - Fire/MM B
Mallory Woods - Kin/Rad D
Sanguine Melody - Grav/Sonic C
Fumina Hara - Plant/Storm C
Nutmeg - Warshade
Lauren Wu - SS/WP B
I got my 75% proc from reactive. Now which T3 Cardiac should i take? I'm guessing go with the total core since im capped on fire resist already?
So you can turn sleet slotted for just recharge from an attack doing 25 damage or so into a nuke doing 900-4500 that is up every 15-30 seconds with decent recharge. Oh and don't forget the resist debuff that sleet adds along with the resist debuff from the reactive proc as well. Consider too that if you get a Fire/Storm you would have accees to rain of fire, freezing rain and tornado. That is just 3 kinds of wrong right there.