I feel bad for Statesman...
Marcian, the ole "no evidence to the contrary means it could be true" is a friggin' joke.
We slam GG for using that argument a lot; don't do it. |
*ahem*
That's what you are doing. We're joking around with what isn't said. You are saying that:
They aren't gay. |
No, they aren't. Canon is canon. |
He's never given any evidence, whatsoever. |
Now, I can only assume that your mentality is that unless someone's sexuality is stated, their "default setting" is 100% pure Nicaraguan heterosexual. This is the mentality that I've been satirically lampooning with my rapier wit.
It reminds me of how everyone was shocked that Dumbledore was gay, because everyone assumed he was straight. The only evidence that he was straight was that there wasn't a specific sub-plot about Dumbledore being gay.
In other words: You don't know; I don't know, and until it's relevant to the storyline, I doubt either of us will know. Your ability to claim he's straight is as valid as my ability to claim he is not.
Therein lay the humor and satire.
See this guy? This is how clever I am. I am "This Guy" clever.
Now if you'll excuse me, warden_de_dios may have just earned 20 million Inf pending my ability to fit the image in a sig.
Any and all Statesline shippers that want to use my Statesline shipper artwork for Statesline procreation/propaganda porpoises is totally welcome to do so.
Statesline wishes each and everyone of you a happy and wonderful New Year filled with Rainbows and Cotton Candy!
Someone email this thread to Jack Emmert.
try this one, its smaller and we should try to avoid the using all that black.
You can go ahead and keep that inf Marcian, I was gonna do something special in honor of you, when your "post your best screenshot" thread hits half a million views (its really close).
Around Thanksgiving I used that wonderful new tool from the folks at titian to export build information from the game into Mids. That little widget also tracked how much money those characters have.
I have 3 billion Influence.
I could buy all of Boomtown and a big chunk of mercy island.
Their real mistake was opening Pandora's Cube Shaped Container Of Fun-Fun Happy Time. I'm convinced the Essence of the Well is actually Pandora, as she is cursed to bring about ruin and discord to humans (in the original myths, not that fru-fru later crap).
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I say FEH to all this Statesman/Tremblor slash yaoi!
This thread is now about BROMANCE~! Let us celebrate the original CoH bromance: Positron and Synapse! |
Synapse isn't manly. He's a closet emo.
He tried cutting himself once, and nearly sawed his arm off before he could stop. |
I think his arrogance stems from his Half-Mask-Is-It-A-Mask?-I-Don't-Know compressing his brain. Infact, that's probably the reason he gets curb stomped a lot.
"Blessed with godly powers! CURSED with a stupid mask-thing!" |
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Considering I still have the footage I shot from the Sister Psyche/Manticore wedding, I could probably whip up a pretty good video of the love triangle that is Statesman-Faultline-Fusionette...
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
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Okay, to put on my for serious face for a second...
*ahem* That's what you are doing. We're joking around with what isn't said. You are saying that: Okay, so your claim is that they aren't gay and that this is canon. You back this up by saying, and again this is a quote: So, your argument is that he's straight is that there's no proof that he's gay. You're doing exactly what you just said I'm doing. Now, I can only assume that your mentality is that unless someone's sexuality is stated, their "default setting" is 100% pure Nicaraguan heterosexual. This is the mentality that I've been satirically lampooning with my rapier wit. It reminds me of how everyone was shocked that Dumbledore was gay, because everyone assumed he was straight. The only evidence that he was straight was that there wasn't a specific sub-plot about Dumbledore being gay. In other words: You don't know; I don't know, and until it's relevant to the storyline, I doubt either of us will know. Your ability to claim he's straight is as valid as my ability to claim he is not. Therein lay the humor and satire. See this guy? This is how clever I am. I am "This Guy" clever. Now if you'll excuse me, warden_de_dios may have just earned 20 million Inf pending my ability to fit the image in a sig. |
I've met and worked with a few Nicaraguans, and they weren't all 100% anything
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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Didn't this start out about how easily Statesman got beaten up in various stories? If I followed a very dicey train of logic, I'd see his being paired in slashfiction the punishment/reward for not being all he could be as a heroic icon.
I'm actually more interested in Hickman's 'Smoke and Mirrors', something I've never been able to read along with the original CoH novels. Every character in any setting is open to interpretation. Just look how often a certain Kryptonian from another universe gets trawled through flamewars.
For my two influence, Statesman is the heroic ideal and I actually see him as somewhat cursed by the power that he was given by the Well. I thought the rationale that he could give into the power but chooses to restrain himself says a tremendous amount about the man's character. I'd like to see more fiction and MA stories that reflect this Statesman and the heroic Statesman than the excuse for a joke and figure for slashfiction that he's become.
And that's no slight on those who want the Statesline pairing; I figure if you're an immortal with the powers of Zeus (who wasn't exactly known for his mainstream tastes and restraint), you can do whatever you want.
S.
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The only definite outcome we can claim from this thread is that in some future issue, some NPC somewhere will have a rare random dialog reference to thinking Statesman and Faultline would make a great couple.
Does this thread threaten your confidence in your own masculinity?
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As Marcian, General Knowledge, Blood Spectre, and Westley will attest... my masculinity is never threatened by such things. Period. You truly have no idea; however, your sentiment is understandable since you don't know me very well.
I'm merely an imperialist when it comes to fanfiction and fanideas; that is, I find crack pairings and the like insulting to the original story. I've read stories with male-on-male plots that made perfect sense, but that's maybe .000001% of them. The rest are just... crap and defy all logic.
Marcian,
I like your serious face, your picture, and your new sig. :P
Faultline appears to be in a happy relationship with Fusionette.
Statesman was married to a woman and had a biological daughter, presumably in the usual fashion.
It is within the realm of possibility that these characters are closeted gay, or bisexual. But the preponderance of evidence would lead me to believe that they are both straight. Whenever the issue comes up in canon - and it does - they behave as if they are. So it's not entirely fair to argue from the stance that there's no evidence either way. Occam's Razor is in play.
Crimson and Viridian, on the other hand, is a crack pairing I can get behind.
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This is another time that I wish Troy Hickman could have carried on with the CoH comic. His take on Statesman in "Smoke and Mirrors" was an excellent one, and I really think he could have made the character interesting as well as noble.
You are correct: Statesman is pretty much a jerk in the comics elsewhere, while in the backstory to the game, he is an inspirational and selfless leader. In the backstory, 1,000 heroes willingly follow Statesman to almost certain death (800 die) in the Alpha Gambit so that the Omega Team could enter the portals and disable them. The arrogant Statesman of the comics could not inspire anyone to follow him anywhere. Where have you gone, Troy Hickman, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you... |
I know what you mean with Statesman, though. In my mind, I want him to be a combination of the Cary Bates Superman and the Steve Englehart (or Kurt Busiek) Captain America. I want nobility and kindness and the sort of wisdom that being around a lot longer than the rest of us HOPEFULLY brings (assuming you're not a total creep). I did what I could in my arc to transition States from the hard-to-deal-with guy of the first three issues, but I'm not sure it took. He's potentially a great character, though.
Troy Hickman - So proud to have contributed to and played in this wonderful CoH universe
And on the original topic: my personal favorite wild theory is that Marcus Cole becomes a hero* only in universes where Stefan Richter becomes a villain - and that Arachnos the organization was and is aware of this, and elevates Lord Recluse as a villain solely to keep Statesman a hero, while also ensuring that Lord Recluse is repeatedly informed that under no circumstances can he win.
* To the extent that he can be, of course. However intelligent Marcus Cole may be, he's definitely much stronger than he is smart: see Boomtown.
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No, they aren't. Canon is a manufacturer of a range if imaging equipment.
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Fixed that for you.
To be fair I kind of share your pain but I've also been belly laughing at some of the other threads too so I'm on the fence a bit here.
The real problem is that - as several have pointed out - Statesman is the Superheroic Icon in the game and yet many of the people who get to write his story seem to treat him as an uptight arsewipe - thus making him an easy target.
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Marcian, the ole "no evidence to the contrary means it could be true" is a friggin' joke.
We slam GG for using that argument a lot; don't do it.