Inf in storage?

Here's some idle math trying to figure out, exactly, how much inf is in storage in the system:

There are something like 155 recipes (and maybe half that many crafted items) level 51-53 with bids out there. Let's call it 250 total different items. These are very very rough guesses.

Let us further guess that each item has an average of 2 billion inf bid on it. Some things have 2 or 3 bids on them; some may have misguided actual bids. I think one of the LoTG +Recharge recipes had 31 bids on it.

That's 500 billion inf in storage at Wents.

I think most of the cash inf is stored in gleemail, with "stored on characters" coming in a strong second, and "stored in Wents" a distant third. So as another rough guess there's 3 times that much on characters and 4 times that much in gleemail.

That gives me a number of 4 trillion inf total. That seems really, really low considering there was 3 trillion before the market ever went live.

Anyone got any other ideas for how to guess these numbers?

I think you are overestimating the amount stored in gleemail and underestimating the amount stored on characters.

First off gleemail, considering the various issues gleemail has had I have a hard time believing that there is a significant store of Inf there. There is probably some stored there but I really doubt it's the most popular storage spot in the game.

Secondly characters. I think you're underestimating the amount stored on characters. People who have enough inf to make storing in WW/gleemail an issue are in the minority. I think most people just leave their cash on their characters unless they need it. Sure they probably don't have much on each one but when you consider the sheer number of characters in the game it adds up very, very quickly.

Assume that there are 10,000 active players each with an average of 12 characters and each character has an average wealth of 20million. That amounts to a total of 2.4 trillion Inf on characters and I think my estimates for all three inputs are probably low.

I don't store inf on gleemail or the market because I don't trust those systems enough to not lose it, and I don't trust myself enough to remember how much I had stored there. I agree with the commenter above me who said that storage alts are probably the main form of storage out there. Even if you can only store 2 billion (liquid) on an alt, just one server you don't use for playing gives you enough alts to bank up to 24 billion. And you don't even have to level the alts past level 1.

But ultimately I don't think there's any way we can realy make any kind of reasonable guess at how much is out there. There are just too many unknowns and people often do weird things that don't always make sense.

After losing items in email due to a rollback, I store nothing valuable in gleemail. All of my inf is stored on alts.

Was that 3 trillion across all accounts or just the active ones? Either way, seems to me that there is probably a lot more than 4 trillion out there now. Any real guess would be just based on assumption after assumption though. It'd be nice if we could get a dev to give us the actual figure again, because I'm curious about it too.

I no longer trust gleemail with storing valuables, but I've had money stored on the market for about a year. I haven't had any issues yet with it and I don't expect to until they remove level 51+ recipes.

after my recent 3,000,000,000 mishap I'm never storing inf in gleemail again.
I mean I got it back and all, but it took over a week.


That's another nice thing about the 88's, I don't really have to worry about 'inf storage' any more. =P

Like the others, I have to disagree with the gleemail idea for storage.

I don't know how trusting the "casual gamer" is with his/her inf, but I know,
for myself, that apart from transfers that I'll claim within an hour of making
them, I only store 25M in gleemail (for newbie toons) long-term.

That's probably only 0.1% of my holdings or less.

As for your other estimates, I think those are way low as well. There are
more than 230 recipe niches (and, by extension, an equal number of crafteds)
just for Common IOs.

I've not counted, but I'd easily guess there are more than 100 recipe niches
for sets, and a couple significant ones for temps (primarily respecs) and rare
(or expensive) salvage.

Given that a fair number of Purples, PvP IOs, and certain premium IO's sell
for 100M +, I'd envision that the churn on those alone "stores" the 550 Billion
in your estimate.

It wouldn't surprise me to see somewhere on the order of 1 Trillion tied up
in the market at any given time.


Another thing to consider is new influence. In the past I've estimated
(conservatively) that anywhere between 1-3 Trillion could be generated
monthly by the existing player base. That's also a PFA (pulled from @$$)
estimate, but nobody has offered up any more plausible numbers so far.

So, where is all that inf being stored?


Yet a third category (which you may be discounting intentionally for this
discussion) is hard assets stored in SG bins in the form of crafted IOs and
salvage - While difficult to guess with precision, I'd certainly expect that
to be significant amount.


My gut feeling is that the bulk (say 50-60%) of inf is stored on toons, with
another 10-20% stored in hard assets, and 10-20% tied up in the market.

If that market share really is closer to a trillion, and the percentage allocation
is even close to accurate, we're looking at roughly 10-15 Trillion inf in the
game presently.

I have no idea how close that actually is, but I wouldn't be at all surprised
at that range.


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I know at one point there was a marketeer who commented they were close to a trillion. A single person. I think we're off by an order of magnitude.

I think you under estimate the market storage as well. I know I personally do not store my money on 51-53 IOs, rather I have something like 15 bids out on Glad Armor uniques a 1B a piece. I figure if one ever sells for 1B I lucked out and I can resale for profits or it will stand as a perfectly suitable storage mechanism. I'm quite sure others do the same at 2B considering even the most desperate for instant cash can find a buyer for a Glad unique at 2.5B which is a substantial profit off 1 sale.

A trillion. Erf. Even if I were to tally up all the IOs I have stored away -- 9 tables worth, so well over 800 IOs but only about 20 purples / pvp recipes I guess -- I'm not sure I'd come close to even 100 billion.

I don't store anything very valuable in gleemail either. For my purposes, I'll email 200 million or less at a time, and that amount is not something I worry about losing so I might leave it sit there for a few days. More than that, and I claim it right away. Very useful IOs/recipes I claim right away.

I don't usually store money on the market either. I buy stuff with it and put it in my base. ^_^

seems like about the only way to get an idea is start a "hey, how much inf do you have stored, and how do you store it?" thread.

Obviously not all that scientific, but might give us at least some notion of what's floating around out there.

Have you tried asking the people at Titan Network that run City of info tracker ? The new Titan Sentinel exports inf on hand back to them and stores it in the character profile.

Unfortunately once you get to a certain point in liquid funds the ONLY viable option is market storage. It feels shaky at best I'll admit, but I see no other option. I've taken the added precaution of doing screenshots on the big banks.

I wish they'd let us have an account wide "bank account". I know there were explanations about the engine not being able to recognize over 2.3'ish billion, however I would think an extra line item entry on the data sheet wouldnt be an issue. Then just let us only take out or put in the 2 Billion character cap at most. Basically a data point outside of the engine shouldnt be a problem. Then they just need to make an interface.

I'm pretty sure they wont ever implement it, but its a dreamy thought, lol.

All my 50s tend to hover around the 2B mark, and as they overflow, I shunt bits of it onto the market, usually between 0-1B stored. I'm not a hard-core profiteer, though, so I am quite sure I represent small potatoes.

Like others, I will not store inf in the mail system unless it goes a long, long time without obvious *****. Right now it's far too unstable to trust