Are TFs more or less fun for you now?

Lots of people doing TFs lately. Seems like alot of inexperienced playing too.

For me, TFs since i19 have not been as enjoyable. Its not even about speed runs and best times, its mostly about efficiency and just the general idea of what to do, where to go. I dont like playing like its my first time ever trying to figure out what to do. And if I lead and go or do what needs to be done, I get questioned, what are you doing etc. Its hard to relearn, or go back to old ways of playing I suppose. I think I have also used ignore more lately than ever, some 'leaders' are just plain rude and expect blind obedience.

But then the other day, I guess I got a feel of what its like, not knowing what to do, where to go. I joined the Apex TF for the first time, the leader was already experienced, giving out orders and plans. The last mission I entered right as he said dont enter, then got chewed out for it, some badger on the team swore up and down if she didnt get all the badges that she'd do something to me, that wasnt nice. That got me angry, almost quit but didnt. The heat was taken off me after the other tank didnt get the concept of moving from the blue stuff and kept dying.

So Im left wondering, how I can make TFs fun again. Maybe just sit back and do what I do and give out some helpful advice when needed?

People who aren't tolerant of newer or inexperienced players aren't really the sort of people you should want to team with anyway.

Bu as for post-I19 TFs, the only instruction I've really seen so far has been "clear the map"

For me TFs are still the best part of the game. Maybe you've had bad luck on teams recently.

I rarely have time for TFs, but over the last few months I've been able to log two Posi Is ,a Posi II, a Katie and just the other night whatever that trial in the Hollows is.


I had great fun on all of them except the Hollows trial, mainly because the guy who formed the team and *seemed* to know what he was doing had his difficulty slider set to +3. When everyone is level capped at 16 (afair), and a couple of our teammates were level BUMPED to 16, +3 doesn't really work.
The worse part was we made pretty short work of things up to the last encounter, where a giant rock guy who threw immense boulders wiped us multiple times before the bulk of our crew had had enough.


However, I blame this poor result on the guy running things being half smart, not on I19. =P

More fun...hmmm...

1st mission, as the leader, decide if tripping the ambush should be done before or after Solaris gets to the altar. Even then, some people are idiots. And really, you could just skip the ambush.

2nd mission, as the leader, decide if you should go cyst to the ambush then move on, or if cyst and push forward is the way to go. This is of course assuming it's not a speed run.

3rd mission, as the leader, decide pull the generals or work your way up the hill. A lot of this depends on the team, and mob placement. Don't have a good puller and the Beast Master General is at the top of the hill, you'll likely have to work your way up there, or drop down on him.

4th mission, lots of difference routes to go with this one. Work your way there. Go straight for the towers.

The sad part is, the towers is only good on AOE heavy teams, I've seen people say "lets just take them at the tower" when it would be just as quick to work the way there, without added risk of close knit mobs, when the team is heavily single target. But they're just so used to going to the towers and thinking it's quicker. o.O

Can your team handle rushing Romi directly or do you need to pull him to the grass to avoid ambushes.

This changes a bit with TF regulars who all know what they're doing and can keep their head out of the behind and think for a bit.

Personally, I usually ran (at least for later TFs...Id still rather get Synapse done ASAP), kill along the way, take a few short cuts (like up the back of the hill on the 1st mission of the ITF, to avoid the ambush) TFs.

The 2nd mission of the ITF, I'd usually go cyst then take out the ambush, then move on, but I was the type who went to find those missing ambushes who got lost at the door of the mission either

For all the new kill more now, I like it. As a 50 I forming them for merits, drops, prestige, influence anyways. Speed runs were really only good for merits.

My preferred method of running TFs has always been: smash everything between the door and the objective(s). I'd go along with speed runs occasionally, but I didn't enjoy them half as much. I'm in it for fighting hordes of enemies as much - sometimes more than - for the shiny at the end.

That said, I'm not too keen on clearing the entire map on every mission.

Thankfully, so far the vast majority of TFs I've been on have taken my preferred approach, with only one or two wanting to clear the entire map.

So TFs are more fun for me now.

Hooray.

I'm having fun

Lost more people running them.

Yeah I have to sit on my hands sometimes, but so what.

Maybe not killing everything could lead to more shards per sec. But more kills means more of the other rewards as well. Many people I have anecdotally talked to have gotten one or more purples running kill alls.

Also, killing for the sake of killing is underrated.

I've been enjoying More of the TF's I've been on since I19. But then again the current trend is towards the style I like to play which is "max drops" since so many people are doing shard runs. I've never been a fan of the speed run TF

Much more fun. For the first week or so, people starting doing the "kill all" thing, which was a bit annoying, but now people seem to have settled into the "kill on the way to objectives" which is probably how these things were designed to be done and are very fun as a result.

Having way more fun in the game now with I19.
More players running TFs, more people to play with, and slightly more challenging content added.

The only downside is noone seems to be playing lowbies any more

More fun in game definitely. I don't run TFs differenly from how I always do them, but I have a lot less trouble convincing people to not skip half the fun.

Tons more fun. My Cardiac Radial has seriously improved my main. No more end issues, much thicker resistances. Love it!

TFs are less fun for me now. I've completed a grand total of two TFs (and no trials). I did both of them thanks to forum-created supergroups. One of those SGs is long gone, and the other is no longer active except for me. I haven't done a TF in years.

I'm pleased that more people are interested in running TFs, and I haven't really been able to run then for quite a while. I'm also pleased to not have to do a speed run every single time. They can be fun, lots of fun! But they get boring if they're all you ever do. I did an ITF the other day, and in the Rescue the Sybils mission, once we got outside we actually fought our way up the hill instead of just jumping and flying straight to the top. I'd just about forgotten that there was even a path up it had been so long.

No need to clear all if that's not what people want, though. But no need to stealth every possible thing, either. On balance, I'm having more fun.

I run all my own TFs from a select group of people* and I set the parameters, so TFs are exactly as fun for me now as they were previously.

*smart enough to join one or more global channels

I never liked "speed runs", and even though there are more people doing more killing on the way to their objectives now, a lot of the old speed run habits seem to die hard... Ignoring the ambushes while key hunting in the STF, for instance, or pulling both AVs down while dealing with the computer and the bots at the same time on the ITF. (As someone who tends not to play uber-build toons with untouchable levels of defense, I hate that particular habit a lot. It's one of the reasons why I stopped joining ITF runs pre-I19. It's not fun spending that entire encounter eating floor tiles because an uncontrolled AV or a half-dozen bots decided your toon was a juicier target than the otherwise-occupied tank. >_>)

So, it's a bit of a wash for me, to be honest. I'm glad people aren't exclusively going for SpeedSpeedSpeed all the time, but I really wish they'd stop running a few things as if they were. The short-cut mindset is hard to break.

Pre-I19 I rarely did TFs. Did a bunch recently to get shards, and remembered why I didn't like them. So now I'm back to not doing them.

So, about the same, I guess.

Most people are doing Lady Grey, Ship Raids, Apex or Tin Mage. I just ran a Dr. Kahn just for giggles and had a blast, but it seems shorter than I remember. Also, anyone know if more Shards drop if the diff is raised?