Lord Recluse Flattened Me

Yeah, you don't need an emp. I've tanked LR on my Fire/SD Scrapper with just kin heals. Although, an emp is the best dedicated support toon you could get for it.

ha...I remember when the STF first came out and I tanked him w/ my Invul/Fire...I was all like "ha, I'm capped to s/l damage, he won't hurt me that bad." Then I get to the actual fight..."OH MY GOD WHY ARE HIS SMASH/LETHAL HURTING SO MUCH!?"

I severely DISLIKE when people say "I can solo LR on my tank....with inspirations".
I know what people mean when they say that but in this game, soloing with inspirations isn't really soloing.


I mean, take purples for example. You eat 2 big purples and usually that's more defense than one good defender can give you. You eat 2 big oranges and that's usually a LOT more than most defenders can give you.
Having a full tray of inspirations (while being a clever play, no doubt about that!) is like having your own pocket (or more than one) defender. You will get defense, resistance, heals, endurance.....it's exactly the same of what a defender can give you..


So, saying "I soloed LR....with inspirations" doesn't really mean anything really. EVERYONE can do that. Hell, I suppose a blaster CAN also tank LR then if he used a million inspirations on his tray to get to the res and def cap, with a million more inpirations on his email.
(I am exagerating but I think you guys can see my point)


And what would that prove? That your blaster is tough? Or that the INSPIRATIONS is what really made that possible?


So please, with all due respect, don't say that you can Tank LR solo....with inspirations.
I know it's true to the letter but in spirit, in this game....it isn't.



PS - Just one minor thing. I don't mean people shouldn't use inspirations against LR. That's not my point. I use inspirations against him. Hell, I think he was designed with that in mind.
I just think that it's a lot different soloing LR and soloing LR with inspirations. Like, it's kinda like the Ritki Pylon thread for scrappers, you can be soloing but if you eat inspirations to keep you going (red, or blues or greens, whatever) it doesn't really prove anything.

Dude, I don't claim you can't tank LR, I just think that saying you soloed him with inspirations isn't quite "soloing" him.
If not, everyone can solo almost everything, including Blasters tanking LR.
And I don't think you need to get defensive, I am not trying to diminish your accomplishments. I also tanked LR on my Ice, my Granite, abd my Inv, all of them "with inspirations".


All in all, I think my thing about "soloing with inspirations" comes back from the good old days, when we used to say that Regen"solo tanking Hamidon" meant really that, Tanking Hamidon without any outside help or any inspirations at all.
I must say that the Scrapper Pylon Challenge also kinda like says what I did, soloing with no inspirations.


It's only a minor nitpick, really. No offense meant.

You seem to have misunderstood me and got angry.
I did not say not to use inspirations against LR. In fact, I said that I DID use them against LR.
I did not say that inspirations aren't useful or that they are "cheesy".
I did not say that inspirations are "cheats".
Likw i said in my post, if you had cared to read it, I use inspirations too and I don't think they are cheats. Your entire post is argueing against something I did not say. It's rather pointless since I didn't say any of those things.


Please, stop using fallacy arguments.



Again, I only said that I dislike people saying they are "soloing with inspirations". I have nothing against inspirations and I do use them. I did use them against LR.
I just think that saying "I can solo X with inspirations" isn't appropriate.
Like, I would say, I tanked LR with inspirations, or simply, I did STF on my tanker and Tanked LR.


Again, CMA, I think your reply is overly agressive when I stated clearly on my post that I have nothing against inspirations nor against anyone using them since i use them myself.
And I also said that I didn't intend to step on anyone's toes nor offend anyone.
Peace.

Soloing is using only the tools, talents and skills inherit to yourself, to do alone. Do you dislike guitar solos that use an amp? If you're tanking Recluse without buffs, an emp angel, or other teammates support you are solo tanking him. Not something I prefer to do, but I don't soft cap with 1 target (43%) and a good bubble set with call for justice makes 108 a reality

It should also be pointed out that the "solo blaster tanking Recluse with inspirations" that you mentioned just cannot be done without a heavily IO'd and amazing build. it should also be pointed out that the tank solo tanking recluse cannot be done without a great build that's probably decently IO'd out and even then some builds can't do it all the time because all it takes is for Recluse to get two lucky shots in in a row on something like an Ice Tank while the red tower is up.

It isn't just inspirations that make it possible.

I just tanked LR with an ice/ice tank and I used a bunch of inspirations and an emp was healing me. We beat him and everyone on the team got badges and Notice of the Well, and whatever else they chose as a reward. I was on a TEAM...it was TEAM effort. And we did it with little difficulty because it was a TEAM of 8 heroes working together. So there!

While I might not agree with DeathKitty's choice of words, I'm certainly right with him on the sentiment. I ran my first STF earlier this week on my Fire/Fire Tanker, and I'm sure I couldn't have handled him without the help of my team. But with Fortitude, a set of FF shields, and the Wedding Band temp power from Stephanie Peebles, I could comfortably tank him standing in the middle while the other seven people piled on the towers. I had 66% defense, so not quite softcapped through the blue tower, but I used two small oranges per minute to cap my resistances to S/L/E until the red tower dropped, then hit Healing Flames whenever I saw my health bar move.

I did have AM and Speed Boost, which helped how often I could do that, but it really wasn't a challenge compared to something like the patron fight (the pull went badly, and I had to scramble to get aggro on all four of them. Not easy when Ghost Widow lands her massive Immobilise in the first few seconds. Luckily, I didn't get held.)

All in all, Lord Recluse is manageable if you work together and use what's available to you. HVAS and Shivans aren't the only temp powers you can call on when things get tough - the Wedding Band is a great tool for Resistance tankers, as the difference between 45% resistance and 75% resistance is less than half as much damage actually getting through.

I gave up trying to convince people that you don't need a stoner and an emp to do STF. Granted its easier I guess, but it is not a prerequisite. I agree with Deathkitty up there, its a team tf, so buffs and debuffs are welcome. Once the red tower is down its all gravy.

If you say you have a toon that can solo STF your a liar, its a team oriented TF.

Any tanker can tank the STF. Some powersets can do it easier then others based on predefined criteria that plays to those sets specific strengths. Inspirations are meant to be used and should be used strategically. A little bit of preparation and a little bit of knowledge go a long way on the STF.

As for Solo Tanking a Tower Buffed Lord Recluse, Why? This is a team event and in all reality the tanker should be assisted with whatever buffs that are beneficial to the tank. Besides for a little bit of ego stroking or tanker comparison its more or less useless because you don't get Merits/Enhancements or Incarnate items by tanking him, you get it for defeating the STF, and that takes a team.

Onto some beneficial ways to handle the STF.

Bring 1 Cold and 1 Sonic Defender, seriously try it out it makes things so much easier. Obviously a rad would be great asset too. (Just a note I know Darks TA's, EMps, FF's, and any other primary I forgot are great too, just pointing out optimal options)

Inspiration wise, if you are close to softcap defensively 4 Purples 8 Oranges 4 Greens and 4 Blues (Depending on Primary blues may be irrelevant) Pop 1 Purple and 2 Oranges before entering combat with Lord Recluse, Keep him facing away from the team preferably in a corner, however some teams like to have you close so they can drop buffs on you. Regardless, if your back is too the team there will be problems.

If you are not close to Soft Cap bring 8 Purples, 8 Oranges and 4 Greens and pop 2 Oranges and 2 Purples before entering the fight. Follow the same directions as above

Watch your inspirations, pop as they start to blink. Don't get anxious about them and don't overbuff. You will get hit and it will take chunks from your bar, just keep taunting and hit a green if you need it. If you are gonna drop let your team know so they can take action if they can. Always communicate.

All in all just relax and have fun, thats what its meant for. Running it for the first few times will not be perfect runs and will be learning experiences, take what you learn and apply it to the next run.


Ice

I know this has been said, but don't be upset if he cleans your clock too. I jumped him last night comfortably inside a bubble, inside the range of steaming mist reading well over 100 Def and 90/90/60/60/60/60/42 resists, but without Dull Pain up (ussually don't need it right off if ever depending on how good my empy is . Punched, stepped back 4 steps to begain to pull him where I like to keep him, taunted. His first lucky hit/hits were for over 1900, I'm all oh crap looking for the INSP or DP button, so it goes off as soon as the taunt animation stops, he hits me again for 1500. I"m down. Sometimes the bear just gets you.

(Used the new vet power to instant reserect with 3 large insps already loaded to grab him back again, but he got me)