Curiosity: Incarnate!

I really wasn't going to post again in this thread, but the topic of the thread has changed again to an extent that it probably should be a separate thread.

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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan I don't think calling it "clique" is fair. That word tends to have many negative connotations, and we really DON'T try to be negative at GG unless someone is being a jerk.

I just made £10.

That's what I bet that specifically FFM, rather than any other GG-regular, would moan it was unfair to call them a clique. ((And considering you already got moderated once for it, could you please stop calling people J**ks?)).

Well, this entire thread shows exactly what so many complain about the group at GG being a 'clique' for.

We have had a strong, occassionally passionate, and very occassionally heated debate about how we will, and can, bring 'becoming incarnate' (the Game mechanism) to our characters - the IC rationale/cause for the OOC incarnate slots effect.

However, a very few people can't stick with just agreeing or disagreeing with the points made, and start arguing with the poster, rather than the post. Sadly, Dr Mechano was the first.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano Ok now you're just being a ********* Ammon, sure I mispelled a word and then you jump all over me for it. You know what, consider me done with this conversation, if all I'm going to get is be made out to be retarded for a slight misspelling than you can go [censored] yourself.

Some people take themselves far to seriously to tease even if you make clear it is just humour by following it with "but seriously, ..." Does anyone think that was a reasonable reaction to a harmless joke about misspelling?

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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan Ammon, quit being a jerk and telling people how they play their characters. If you don't like how they're interpreting Incarnate, DON'T RP WITH THEM. It's none of your business how people do things, so take your unwelcome god modding elsewhere.

Ah, FFM asks me to leave his forum. And becomes the first person to need moderator intervention.

Of course, there is no point before this where I have told anyone how to play their character. I posted a list that stated entirely the opposite. The closest I have come is saying that I have the right to react IC to how they play their character IC, and even avoid/ignore roleplay stuff that doesn't sit well with me. I never say what others can or cannot do, per se, only what they may or may not expect me (or others like me) to swallow and accept.

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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan I really don't see why certain people are having such a major spaz over what some other people want to do with their chars.

Me either. But certain people really did seem to have a major problem with the idea that one of my characters might not take their character seriously, and might, on seeing them backhand Statesman across a room, IC, believe them to be of the same power-order or more than known Incarnates.

Apparently, I am 'wrong' for deciding that my character, in character, on seeing another character perform with Incarnate-level powers, think to themselves that the character is indeed Incarnate level. That my character does not have the right to think that a very powerful character of theirs is possibly Incarnate. Somehow, my character is supposed to know their OOC explanation?

I must be 'wrong' because my posts about how I and my characters will react to things are what has been attacked quite personally at times.

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Originally Posted by Fanservice Taking the game that literally is usually being just a little bit of a ****.

This was said of a quoted part of my text, so again, unneccesarily personal. However, from a later post, I get the idea that Fanservice thinks I am in agreement with CB, or that CB and I are some sort of team. For all I know, Fanservice has been unable to separate my posts from CBs, and really meant to get personal with him. But is that really any better?

And for the record, Fanservice, my group are those lively people in the Militia and Cadre, thus it is with Dante and Wolfram with whom I play the most often (several times a week on average). I barely know CB really, can't recall a time we have teamed together IC if there is one, but I'm with Voltaire, in that I may disagree with everything he says, but I shall defend to the death his right to say it.

I will always be dismayed to see posts like:

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Originally Posted by White_Warlock Seriously CB just drop it alright? I swear you seem to be arguing the point just to be as contrary as possible and its getting real old real quick. Tech, Z, Floaty and Omy have already (repeatedly) attempted to explain to you why in their view; and mine as it so happens since I agree with most of their reasoning, you are wrong and for that (and their saint-like patience) I salute them. In all honesty the only conclusion I can come to is that you are deliberately trolling and it really is getting more than a bit tedious.

There is no call for things to get personal, nor for name-calling. None. It doesn't help things at all either that it sometimes seems like the GG RP crowd cannot argue anything without using the words 'Right' and 'Wrong'.

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Originally Posted by Fanservice I know Ammon and CB think they're really, really, right on this one but the fact is no one else is willing to swallow it and that is essentially the important thing.

You see, I am right. Because all I have stated is how my characters will be reacting. And my characters are my right. They may not be right for you, but they are always right for me. Its called individual choice.

I have never, once, had the sheer abominable arrogance and to decide that how someone else will think IC, about my characters actions is something I should control, or something I could possibly have the authority to declare 'right' or 'wrong'.

Those that have, that do, are all from the Galaxy Girl RP scene, and so it gives the impression, that they are unfriendly, intollerant, and a very closed clique.

I'd be willing to bet money also that the several posters who have expressed that they've been told they did forum RP somehow 'wrongly' were also told that by members of the GG clique.

And although these 'vocal personalities' (to coin the lovely tem Shadowe gave us) may be and probably are a minority of the GG crowd, which are in turn a very small minority of the Union RP scene, the fact is that the others of that GG group never speak out against it. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that Good people do nothing".

It does give other Union RPers the impression that some excellent RPers, such as Shadowe and Zortel, tacitly condone the rude, aggressive, and entirely unmerited authoritarianism of their fellows telling people what is right and wrong, and how they may or may not react IC to IC events.

Fea has some good points there!

Before detailing some more character stuff, let's do a quick woobly woobly sidetrack!

~Wooble~ ~Wooble~

On GG as a clique: As with any social setting where there's an established group, it can be hard for newcomers to get involved, and may take a little bit of time. It can be the same in PD: I've tried to get interaction, but people are firmly stuck in their little social circles having fun RP. It's happened to me at GG before as well.

GG is still one of the longest running RP areas on the server though, having started in March 2005. It was a bit different back then, usually it wound down at ten and people used it as a hub to jump off and do IC missions. That started to change around the time of the Rooftop Generation (A supergroup of teen characters that hung out on a roof in KR) and then started to settle into being more a social spot than a social hub.

On forum RP: I have troubles with forum RP. It can be hard enough to write at the best of times, but the random stop-start nature of forum RP throws me off. The IC story-fests that come with big game events, like the Zero Hour Rikti stories though, I do like.

On building character for RP: The fact of a character needing to have a certain set of social traits for GG is an interesting one. The same would apply for PD. You wouldn't really bring a character who hates alcohol, noise, people and floating disk jockeys there (exception being unless they were dragged along by friends) and as the same, certain character types don't work at GG. It's just one of those things and there isn't really any way to change that.

I've lost my train of thought, so

~wooble~ ~wooble~

Some of these are long term predictions, the characters are not yet 50.

Zortel:
An inspiration streak leading to radical, new designs being implemented in the Zortel suit, starting off with improvements to the power systems (Recharge Alpha) and moving on to a new energy frequency that ups the potency of her suit's stun capacitor gauntlets (Recharge/Stun Alpha). There then exists the chance for installing new weapons systems based on the Judgement things that may not necessarily utilize energy, depends on what I see and like.

Rushmore:
When the Praetorians Imperial Defence Force make planetside, the Spirit of America will endow him with the status of Ambassador of her Spirit. This will enable him to do something he hasn't been able to do before, use his powers outside of America and off-world. It will also let him fight for longer (Endurance Alpha) and increase his resiliance when he calls upon the power of his namesake Mountain (Endurance/Resistance Alpha, for Granite Form.) Judgement, if they've got something lightningy, will likely be 'Franklin's Lightning' or something.

Kites not required.

Cindersnap, Fusebox and Quickfrost:
After Plot Happens, Cindersnap will return from Somewhen having learned a series of martial arts techniques that allow a mutant to tap into their chi and bolster their abilities. Cindersnap will start teaching this to Quickfrost and Fusebox, and they're likely all going to be able to use their powers easier and throw them further (Endurance/Range IO's) though in time they may branch out and develop their abilities in new manners. IO slotting will also aid in their newfound improvements to their abilities.

Number Nine:
By unlocking some of the limiters on the singularity engine that powers her, Nene will be able to better manipulate space and time, allowing her manipulations to land with a better degree of accuracy, and bolstering the time she can keep someone phased out thanks to her distortion ability. (Acc/Hold Alpha)

Azure Arrow: If I pick up a slot, it'll likely just be for OOC purposes, like Recharge or Damage to make him a bit easier to solo.

Nachtbrecher:
Unlocking a Seal of Thule lets Wernher tap the technomagical-derived energies better, that increases the efficiency of his shields and requires less of a drain on himself to summon the dark powers. (End/Res)

Jonathan and Amanda Wong:
Harnessing martial arts training to further boost their prowess. Undecided on what though.

Zahir Rolando:
A newly installed fabricator and power system lets him recall his support units quicker, and increases the potency of his portable nano-fabricator and those on his droids (Recharge/Heal)

Maxi Pound:
Zahir tinkers with her power gauntlets and suit, to make them run better than ever and increase output. (Endurance/Res)

Sochi:
A mutation to her induced mutation ups the power of her regenerative abilities, both passive and active. (Recharge/Heal)

Alraune:
Mastering the power of her plant side, Alraune's thorns and vines will strike harder and linger longer (Damage/Immobilize)

And that's it for now! Got ideas on the others, but that's all that's written up for now.

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~Wooble~


Heee, that's fun.

Thank you for a polite and reasonable response, and for clarifying you position. On both matters.

Could I ask for a specific example of something where I have (inadvertently as I'd hope you'd realise) "[cast myself] in a bad light of taking away people's decisions for their character by imposing [my] own take on what they're doing", rather than explained as I'd tried "If this conflicts with my world view and strains my suspension of disbelief, I'll rationalize it to my characters in my head like so".

I'm not seeing it, but then, I always know what I'm thinking and feeling, behind/beyond the actual words, and so can't as easily misread my intent.

I personally think that we were heading out of the Danger zone- *slaps minion who tries to play that god damned track* -and getting back OT. So...bringing it all back up is kinda silly?

Semi-OT: Others have already explained how GG seems clique. I don't mean the word in any other context other than 'It's hard to get into at times'. Pretty much how I'd view a clique. Not 100% sure what the neg-cons are, so I won't ask

OT: Alpha I've already explained. Well nothing, he's simply integrating bigger and more awesome tech into his and the teams systems, along with stealing whatever superior Praetorian tech he can, and adapting it to suit his own ends. He is a genius, after all.

I'm hard pushed to think of any of my characters that will fit a 'traditional' Incarnate mould if you will, that of being empowered by something at least semi-divine.
That said, Wyldy (Wyld Fire) would be a good example. I have some fun ideas for just what to do with her. I don't think the Demons and Demonettes of the Underrealms have quite realised just what they've let themselves in for by giving power to someone with such a massive drive to claw their way to the top of the pile all the way from the bottom.

Leon will probably end up more empowered... an Incarnate of himself, more likely, given he is the Sire of the DeFeurard bloodline. I know for sure I'll be using Judgement to give him a mega impressive fireball attack to fit his background I have to admit, theres a few characters I wish I could use a more maleable framework with. Although then again some of them might well stray into overpoweredness if that were true... *Imagines Leon as a Katana/Super reflexes/Regen/Fire Blast AT* Hmm...awwww yeeaaaah

Uuhh....Chief is simply gonna get closer to how he should have been anyway (Once I get him back to 50...damn tankers), Nightwalker is going with dark science, Wolf is getting a mk III suit or armour....Vix has got some fun stuff planned that will probably result in Foundry RP
So, yeah, wide array of stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

A good point, Tech. And also, it's Sunday afternoon and I've just been godmodded to death by my six year old nephew while playing Lego Star Wars. (With real lego toys, that is.) So my brain's not up for going back ten posts, let alone 267.

(For those that are interested, it was actually suicide. When I found my dark side forces could take no meaningful actions, diplomacy would not work and that we were vastly outmatched by technology, I did the only thing possible and fired a death-ray at my own planet.

That was then godmodded to say it didn't happen.

I won't be introducing my nephew to roleplaying -just- yet. )

Just have to chime in and say this thread has been immensely entertaining, but for all the wrong reasons!

You all need to take a step back and breath already. It's Christmas (close enough, there's snow and ****)

As for Incarnates... hell, I ain't got a clue if I'm even going to bother! I don't really play anymore. I'm only here to say you all gave me a good laugh reading through this!

Actually Ammon, the thread had fairly quietened down until you came in again and we'd begun discussing the topic at hand.

Yes I overreacted (try existing of four hours sleep a night for long periods of time because you can't seem to sleep for any longer despite being so tired...it isn't much fun) and for that I apologise.

I, along with others, were some of the people backing you during the Heroes for People plot which, much more than this issue, split the EU community at the time, yes I may be passionate, yes GG can be hard to get into and cliquey but I'll be damned if I don't enjoy large plots.

Though I am wondering where this 'told they do forum RP wrong' comes from, so far all I've seen is that the US and EU side both have very different styles...which seems to be a fair assessment and nobody has called it 'wrong' just different. I am posting this on my US account, I've RPed on the US side, even got involved in some of the open US orginated RP threads (unfortunately I really couldn't keep up with Patches which is a pain in the backside because I was enjoying it...hence using a moment from it as my sig but it was finding the time to both catch up and post).

Plus you'll know that I'm one of the supporters of larger forum RP, heck I use to run them myself, I have two to my name (The Chronodyne plot which involved 3 supergroups over the period of two weeks and 'Reign of the Prankster' (I lack a catchy name for it, really would like a decent name) that I mentioned earlier).

Infact I am in talks now with Devious about doing an multiverse plot (which I admit certain people at GG will ignore...which is more their loss really).

As Zortel has no doubt mentioned that the history of the EU RP community runs in cycles and this is just another one of those events.

Ah yes...forgot the son of Dracula had requirements for a Hadouken in his fireball throwing.

Or if you're actually Dracula reincarnated as a white haired pretty boy in a fur lined coat, it is just the matter of absorbing the right soul, then you get the funky phresh three fireballs.

By now I'm about at this point with this thread:



So far all it's achieved is to show that Union roleplayers can be exceptionally petty and hold grudges for ridiculous reasons. I'm quite frankly embarrassed by this thread and wish I'd never posted in it. I'm interested in building bridges with other roleplayers on the Union server whereas others seem to be more interested in burning them down. If anyone likes the idea of bringing people together, I'm all ears.

I suggest taking further discussions to a separate thread called 'Union RP Issues' so that others can get back to discussing the original topic. But not for me.

I'll be somewhere else, having fun rather than continuing some OOC grudge match.

Also agreeing with Dante.

Lets take it to PMs people and let people discuss what actually matters, like what they're doing with their Incarnate characters.

Sorry you NA folks, we now return you to your scheduled programming, the Unionites will be moving on under threat of micro-kitten injection.

Think nanobot sized kittens, there is just so much d'awwww in your bloodstream you literally become incapable of doing anything but thinking of very cute kittens.

You have all be warned!

Edit: Sending you a PM Dante, I'm getting a hankering for some plot organising.

Edit: Nah that's all boring!

Incarnates!

The one most likely to use magic is Soaring Horizon, who likes to defeat and suck the power out of old gods that aren't worshipped any-more. This Christmas she's going to try take on old St Nick! Whether it results in Incarnate hood or coal in the stocking is something to be seen.

I feel bad for starting a thread which sparked problems.

My apologies guys. No ill will, but I think if theres gonna be fighting, I'll have the thread locked. Not anyone's specific fault, just things getting heated.

Unless we can get back on topic of Incarnates...unless we've talked it dry?

I think we've talked all we can about Incarnates yea, maybe a new thread or two discussing some propisitions to try and integrate EU/US and/or Union troubles maybe, but I think all the Incarnate questions itself was answered a while back.

I was planning to, kind of. But the Ian that started in-game is, like, a senior in the thread with all his 'problems' on the table at that point for him to face/overcome as he levels. SH101-102 is the process of me putting those limitations on the table.