2 billion per enhancer

B_C, if you know so much more about the market than the marketeers who have repeatedly explained things to you, if you understand the market so much better than them, why aren't you richer already?



If the market actually worked the way that B_C thought it did, I might find it disagreeable too.

Because there is a vast, elaborate conspiracy of morally depraved people who have explicitly chosen to make his life harder.

Heroes, Villains ♦ Reviews ♦ Retrospect

I just sold a gaussian's fire control chance-for-build-up.

List: 20,000,001
Sale: 40,000,000

I do not feel as though I had very much control there.

I think, unless BC comments something obscenely preposterous, this will be my last post because I seriously feel like I'm debating with a wall here.

Using the wrong metrics to measure things will get you the wrong results. If you use a stopwatch to measure the volume of a cup, you'll most likely get a bad result. At best, you'll luckily get the right result, but it's not valid because you cannot really find any proper data to support this result. Why did I post this analogy? Well, if you use your feelings to measure things you think are broken with the market, you won't get valid results. That is the important thing here. If you wanted to convince us that the majority (you do not make up the majority, sorry) of the players, especially these average and casual ones, think that the market is broken, conduct a survey and show the results to us. You see, when talking to people who are familiar with the market and who don't think it is broken, circumstantial evidence doesn't suffice.

Refusing to acknowledge other posts and learning their contents doesn't help your campaign, by the way. Even if stuffing your fingers into your ears and going "NANANANANANANA" might work in real life, it doesn't work here because we're all tireless geeks who will go on about explaining how and why you are wrong. Have you yet read my post about the burden of proof or was the truth about your position's invalidity too much, so you chose to ignore it?

I'd also like to know why you choose not to reply to so many valid counter-arguments. You mentioned having had a few courses of philosophy, so I'd think the first thing you learn there is that you lose an argument if someone comes up with a valid counter-argument you cannot dismiss. I also believe you should be familiar with the burden of proof, but I guess like in this thread, you chose to ignore whatever seems to make things harder on you.


I'm starting to question my own sanity because I go on replying to these posts each time expecting you to wake up from your dream world. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein"

Incoming wall of text. There is a point in there, but I have to give a lot of background to get to it.

Consider the Incarnate system for a minute. Take a look at what's been revealed it. It shares some loose features with the Inventions system, primarily in that there's a sort of "salvage" and crafting involved. But there are some key differences. One of the most glaring among them? You can't trade or sell the Incarnate "salvage" pieces, or anything you craft with them. As long as that's true, Incarnate stuff can never appear on the market. Someday they might appear in some sort of "token" store, but probably not for a long while. It's inconceivable that we could ever buy the Incarnate components with (just) Inf.

The Incarnate system clearly represents character progression. As you unlock additional slots, and craft more and more rare versions of abilities, your character will get more powerful. But since you can't buy any that progress with Inf, you have to do stuff. Rest assured, even if they someday introduce an Incarnate component store based on some hypothetical "Incarnate Merits", you'll still have to do stuff to earn those merits, and there will be solid constraints on how fast you can earn them.

It's pretty much just like earning XP. We can't go anywhere and spend inf to get XP. To make progress on our characters, we can't just buy it, so we'll have to do stuff.

Inventions are supposed to be like that too, but the introduction of the market(s) as a distribution system have distorted people's view of it. People get this idea that they just want to hit 50 (or whatever level), then run out and grab all the IOs they have laid out in a Mid's build (or whatever) and be good to go. But the devs never set that expectation. From the onset, the Invention system was touted as an optional, alternate progression system. You can use IOs as another way to get more powerful. Before the announcement of the Incarnate system, Inventions were the only way a character capped at level 50 could continue to progress their power.

Of course you can start progressing in IO power before 50, but that doesn't change the Devs' expectation - working towards your character progress means you have to do something.

Let's look at purple IOs in particular. Unique among all IOs, you cannot slot them when you are within 3 levels of their level. You could slot any other level 50 IO once you hit level 47, but you can't slot a purple at all unless you are actually level 50. Do you really think the Devs expected everyone who wanted purples to have them all laid out ready to go as soon as they hit 50? I certainly don't think that at all. I think they expected people to get to level 50 and then keep doing stuff to work towards any purples (and any other non-purple IOs) they wanted.

Any store the Devs give us that allow us to create purples or whatever are going to have prices set based on whatever standard the Devs have for how long they think we should spend doing stuff. I think that's the primary reason that they only let us have fixed price stores in terms of non-Inf "currency" like merits - we can't just consolidate all our merits from our other characters, or buy merits from a RMT seller. We actually have to do stuff with a characters to earn merits, and both Alignment and Reward Merits are set up to try and control our rates of reward. (Alignment Merits are limited in the number allowed per day, and Reward Merits try to tie the number of them to the time it's supposed to take to complete content.)

The Devs constantly work to ride the fine line between listening to their customers and ruining their cash cow. They are going to try to give us things they think we want while cleaving to their notions of what is good and healthy for the game. They want rewards to take time to obtain. Now, the Devs do fiddle with how much time rewards take, as well as what they want us to do to get them, but I don't think it's ever going to be reasonable to expect them to make it trivial to obtain things that amount to progression in their eyes.

So what you're saying is if I write a nice big post and in the middle I throw in a big middle finger you'll ignore the whole post?

hey I have an idea, let's see what the nice lady standing in Wentworth's has to say!