Choking Cloud worth the end cost??

Are you fricken kidding me??

Are we still even talking about this??

FRADS people.

That is all you need to know.

Timeforce II, youtube it and that will answer it all for you.

I have it on my plant/rad/earth troller. Fun power. Even if you don't spend most of the time close range, anyone that runs up on you unexpectedly will pay for it. Stacks well with EM pulse, too. Just watch the end bar.

First, my opinion on the original topic.

Choking Cloud? On a Rad/Sonic Defender, I'd say heck no. Sure, Rad/Sonic loves melee, but, especially if you're using Screech, it'll get far more mileage for less endurance out of Oppressive Gloom. OG does come much later, but well-slotted Radiation Infection coupled with (if solo) Siren's Song will make you plenty safe in the mean time. Jumping into melee with OG is just icing on a rather devastating cake.

My Earth/Rad controller loves it. If you can stack it with practically any other AoE hold, it becomes very fun.

Of course whenever I go into melee, I keep getting reported for using an exploit. You know, since Controller types aren't allowed.

je_saist, your argument from authority is worthless if your claim is stupid. Which it is.

The reason some trollers have PBAoE in their primary is so they can surround themselves with corpses. Some controllers, and some defenders, are at their best in melee.

If you are an expert on game design, you ought to be able to understand that different sets are designed to play differently. There's a reason good traps defenders tend to be in a mob before the tank...

Well, i personally want to thank je, cause he's taking the beating that is usually aimed at me.... LOL. At least i only get yelled at in the market section.... hahaha.

Damn this is good popcorn....


My Rad/Rad Corruptor uses CC. Considering some of her attacks are PBAoE and she does need to move into melee range on occasion. Soloing with her, CC makes a huge difference in her survival.

My Earth/Rad Troller loves leaping into melee range. Stacking Volcanic Gasses or Fossilize with CC makes for one easily held mob.

My Fire/Rad... what Local Man said.

As for Controllers, Corruptors, and Defenders staying mostly at range? It all depends on the power sets. I know some of my other controllers; Ill/FF, Fire/Kin and Ice/Kin live at melee range, but my Grav./Storm and Ice/Storm don't. Nor would my Plant/Thermal survive in melee for long.

My Kin/Dark and Dark/Elec are more effective in Melee than at Ranged. (Although I tend to bounce around a lot on the Kin/Dark.) My Emp/Sonic will be standing close behind, so that his healing aura will have an effect on everyone, just not too close.

All je saist has to do now is link himself from a prior post about how he's right and the cycle will be complete.

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The thing with Je is once he's been called out in a post you will rarely see him in the topic again

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Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn Hazy is right

MY;
Fire/Rad, sets ranged attack then moves in to melee, CC is must have
Ill/Rad, plays Confuse heavily, little use for CC vs. end cost, but heavy RI/EF
Grav/Kin, very much a "behind ya" kinda troll

All depends on yer style, but CC to me has always meant Crowd Control, and Choking Cloud is an appropriate tool for some of that!

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It's certainly worth the Endurance, but I can't say it's worth the annoyance of having to wait for it to recharge and retoggle it every single time an enemy manages to mez in my general direction.

Oh this thread is suddenly much much MUCH shorter.

At least the right posts got nuked this time.

As to the actual topic, my personal opinion is that the usefulness of choking cloud varies widely depending on your personal preferences and what other powers you've got to go along with it. If you prefer to avoid melee, then I wouldn't think the end cost worth it. But if you've got other PBAoEs (especially auras) or spend lots of time jumping in and out of melee, I'd definitely consider it.

One potential issue to watch out for is that, even though it doesn't take accuracy enhancements, it is *not* auto-hit and in fact only has base accuracy. Thus, if you actually want to use it you'll need to do something to ensure it can hit its targets. It doesn't accept accuracy enhancements, but anything that boosts your tohit (such as tactics or the kismet +6% tohit IO) will affect it. Also, although I haven't tested this myself, both accuracy set bonuses and multi-aspect hold set IOs with accuracy components *should* work.

Of course, that's an extra slotting burden on a power that already needs significant slotting, but that's just the kind of power it is - one that needs lots of slots. It can definitely be useful, though. (definitely consider the +2 mag proc, also)

I have found Choking Cloud to be an amazing tool for any toon who is in melee range. It's also PASSIVE control, which is a lovely thing, since controllers are busy, busy people.

For toons not in melee range, it might or might not be useful. I think you have to analyze what's going on when you play to best answer the question.

EXAMPLES: My arch/rad corruptor seems to pull a fair amount of aggro from the toggles on small-to-medium sized teams. She never goes into melee range, but a recent respec into CC has been a Godsend. She's low 30's, however - I don't remember the toggles pulling much aggro at high levels, and she may well respec out of it later. Conversely, my ill/rad respec'd out of it, since her pets do personal tanking duty and stuff almost never gets to her - what little does can be very easily handled with a single target hold.

So, in short, if foes are getting in your face, for whatever reason, get it, 6 slot it, I really think you will love it. If nothing much is on you, don't bother.