As far as Shane lying about Rick being dead, maybe he truly thought Rick was dead. He surely would have heard of the ruckus at the hospital, even Laurie knew that medevacing was taken off the table. Shane probably assumed that Rick was dead or as good as dead. Heck, even Rick said that was the right decision.
There is also the chance that Shane was doing the noble thing, in his mind. Maybe wasn't sure that Rick was 100% dead, but he couldn't risk his life to make sure and he sure as hell couldn't tell Laurie and Carl that there might be a chance and risk them staying behind or risking their own lives to try and save Rick.
Until we know more, I don't think we can say that Shane maliciously lied about Rick or even quickly pushed Rick's status under the bus to get with Laurie.
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hypothetical fire escape? it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion, no more or less valid than your power leaper concept. |
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Well we've already talked about a hypothetical fire escape but I didn't think about the possibility of the "mystery helicopter" picking him up. That would put a fun spin on things.
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I'm actually toying around with the idea that the entire Zombie Apocalypse thing is a dream Rick's having while he's in his coma.
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hypothetical fire escape? it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion, no different than your power leaper concept.
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In this case I used the word "hypothetical" in its literal sense, not derogatory in any way.
Sensitive much?
I have no problem with the idea of a fire escape (that wasn't actually shown) existing to "solve" the problem of what happened to Merle. It's just something to talk about here...
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I am starting to think this show really isn't for you... There has to be some sort of reality program on another channel you could watch that you could spend your time finding reality breaking implausibilities in.
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I'm currently enjoying it so I like to conjure up "what ifs" for this kind of thing. I don't SERIOUSLY think this show is just a coma-inspired nightmare conjured up by Rick's mind. But it frankly would be interesting if it took a Hitchcockian twist like that.
I like good stories that work well within their established frameworks regardless if they are fiction or not. If there are bits that could have been handled better I don't mind pointing them out. But so far this show hasn't done enough bad things to turn me off, yet. It's not on SyFy after all. Let's just say I think there's enough potential for this show that it would be disappointing if it let its rough edges cause it to become unwatchable too quickly.
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Here's my theory:
First, Merle sawed off the wrong hand.
Second, someone else came along and rescued him.
Third, it was TV's Bronson Pinchot.
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Like I said before I'm willing to watch the next 3 episodes to better judge the full "season" of the show.|
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This review echoes some of the sentiments that have been expressed here.
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But I'll also have to admit this review did capture a number of lingering concerns I have about this show.
Time will tell of course.
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To be honest, I did read it negatively, more in terms of its connotation in common vernacular.|
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You do love to nitpick on specific single words I use don't you.
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You seem to be taking this show way too seriously. It's a sci-fi/horror show. That's all it is. As such it has some good elements and bad ones. Not -that- big a deal here.
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I like good stories that work well within their established frameworks regardless if they are fiction or not. If there are bits that could have been handled better I don't mind pointing them out. But so far this show hasn't done enough bad things to turn me off, yet.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Let's just say I think there's enough potential for this show that it would be disappointing if it let its rough edges cause it to become unwatchable too quickly.
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But from my own experience, I've been guilty of spending so much time poking and reviewing rough edges that I gnawed away my enjoyment of a show for what it was.
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That is the worst review I have ever read. I can not express how much I disagree with it.
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That is the worst review I have ever read. I can not express how much I disagree with it.
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Well, I didn't watch the third episode.
Didn't even think of it other than seeing this thread coming up in my subscription, hehe (Thanks Lumi ).
Yeah, it just isn't for me.
I may check it out eventually to see what exactly went down, but we'll see.
I don't know, I browsed some of the replies in here about what happened and it seems like more people are getting bothered by the same sort of thing that turned me off after the second episode.
Still... I am glad those that are enjoying it have to enjoy!
I don't mind admitting that I am a bit jealous!
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This show, like so many genre shows before it and probably after it, doesn't hold up to any major scrutiny. But the nit-pickers will over-analyze and the die hard fans will defend and the circle will be unbroken.
I'm just gonna enjoy it, warts and all, for the one hour of entertainment per episode that it is meant to be.
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This show, like so many genre shows before it and probably after it, doesn't hold up to any major scrutiny. But the nit-pickers will over-analyze and the die hard fans will defend and the circle will be unbroken.
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You should see what I can do with a show I actually -don't- like.
But all the same I do get tired of constantly having to "accept" mediocre genre shows in general.
A show worth watching should be able to hold up to a reasonable amount of scrutiny as you put it.
I don't think shows should get a blanket pass just because they are any degree better than average.
I'm giving this show as serious try because it does have potential.
I'm not obligated to have to like it - it's obligated to make itself worth my time and effort.
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Well come ON!!! Who didn't see the redneck chopping his hand off? I mean they purposely put the camera right next the the tool box that was kicked over!
Yes he's an idiot for cutting his hand instead of the rusty bolt. Heck those clamps that hold the bolt to the angle iron are just pressure clamps and more than likely he could have kicked it off. But it wouldn't have made for "good" TV.
I like the show. Yes I'm biased because I've been on a zombie kick for a few years now, but I still think it's better than most shows out there. Other than Big Bang Theory I'd say this is my favorite show... right now. Even Chuck is starting to wear thin on me. So it's nice to have something just a little bit different!
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Ok, you do know there is no such thing as zombies in the real world right? Therefore, since the entire plot is unrealistic why would anyone have to do anything realistic in this unrealistic world?
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It varies by person, of course, but there always comes a point where the viewer throws up their hands and says, "This is ridiculous." Usually it's after just one or two unrealistic things, which is why you have to make sure you've crossed your Ts and dotted your Is. To use an extreme example to illustrate this: if the Asian kid had poured sand in the Charger's gas tank and zoomed away, everyone would be crying BS because it's utterly unrealistic. The show being about zombies doesn't excuse that sort of thing. Even minor gaffes and liberties taken with reality can have the same effect.
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I can't think of a single drama on TV that holds up to any degree of scrutiny. They all break the rules to one degree or another. Watch a medical show, any medical show, with a doctor or nurse and ask them, "What did they do wrong?" and you'll likely get a response along the lines of, "Good lord, where do I begin? Everything is wrong about that!" Watch a legal drama with a lawyer or a cop show with a cop and you'll hear the same thing. Hell, I can't even think of a single time I've ever seen someone use an *asthma inhaler* correctly in movies or TV, and that's the easiest thing in the world to get right. Somehow no one ever does.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
But all the same I do get tired of constantly having to "accept" mediocre genre shows in general.
A show worth watching should be able to hold up to a reasonable amount of scrutiny as you put it. I don't think shows should get a blanket pass just because they are any degree better than average. |
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I can't think of a single drama on TV that holds up to any degree of scrutiny. They all break the rules to one degree or another. Watch a medical show, any medical show, with a doctor or nurse and ask them, "What did they do wrong?" and you'll likely get a response along the lines of, "Good lord, where do I begin? Everything is wrong about that!" Watch a legal drama with a lawyer or a cop show with a cop and you'll hear the same thing. Hell, I can't even think of a single time I've ever seen someone use an *asthma inhaler* correctly in movies or TV, and that's the easiest thing in the world to get right. Somehow no one ever does.
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But when any random person without specific expertise can rip holes through the fabric of a show then you know you have a REAL problem with it. You don't need to have zombie experts in real life to know that a story about zombies has generic flaws from a purely dramatic/literary/plot point of view.
As always everything is relative.
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Being a musician, when I see shows featuring musicians... yeah. Okay. Only 'This Is Spın̈al Tap' is even close. And it's TOO close. 
I'm sure if a real zombie watched this, they'd be all like, "Blrr. Glrr. Goop. Barrrgh."
Which, in English, is "Pfft! Those stupid zomwannabies walk more like <insert favorite drunken celebrity here> trying to pass a drunk test at 5:30 AM than us."
Just for the record...
I don't watch any other tv shows (Short of Cheers, Seinfeld, Inspector Lewis, Fawlty Towers...) alright zero current tv shows.
So, I suppose that is in defense of both myself and Walking Dead.
I thought this one may be an exception... It wasn't.
*shrugs*
Anyone can call it nitpicking if they like... It's all just personal preference (And I believe that is basically what Baler was saying, so I certainly took zero offense with the "nitpciking" thing).
I only pick nits if there are nits to pick. And it only bothers me if there are too many or they are too ridiculous.
Anyways...
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If someone would clue the reviewer to TWD not being about the zombies, it would come off better. That aside, I agree with their complaints about the dialogue. I don't know how much of it is directly lifted from the comics, but there's definite elements of the unnatural speech I've read from Kirkman before.
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Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
In my life, I have known a few people just like Merle. They all talked like that, "lily white ***" and all. Merle's dialog wasn't as cliche or fake as some seem to think.
As to Dale's dialog about the ineffectiveness of words, well, it struck me as someone who wasn't used to expressing deep thoughts and was trying his best to be profound. One can either take that as poor writing (just give him some good, profound dialog) or as good writing (the dialog fits with someone who's not used to talking like that). Personally, it didn't bother me that much because again, I've known real people to talk that way. That is, struggling to be eloquent when they aren't.
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In my life, I have known a few people just like Merle. They all talked like that, "lily white ***" and all. Merle's dialog wasn't as cliche or fake as some seem to think.
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Merle could be lifted out of any number of the caseloads I've had over the years. His dialogue could be lifted out of any random meeting I've had with them (minus the zombie parts, of course!) *shrug*. I'm betting all the "Merle's" I've dealt with would have a fairly decent shot at surviving too. All are well armed, isolated from society, good at surviving on next to nothing. Just depends how sober they are when it hits the fan
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Merle could be lifted out of any number of the caseloads I've had over the years. His dialogue could be lifted out of any random meeting I've had with them (minus the zombie parts, of course!) *shrug*. I'm betting all the "Merle's" I've dealt with would have a fairly decent shot at surviving too. All are well armed, isolated from society, good at surviving on next to nothing. Just depends how sober they are when it hits the fan
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I'm amazed that some of you guys manage to enjoy any TV shows or movies at all... holy crap this is by the far the nitpickiest show review thread I've ever read on this forum
That would actually explain pretty much all the plot holes and logical inconsistencies this show ever generates.
I also toyed with the thought that he's dead and in hell of some kind.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.