Well from the first episode from where Rick and the man and his son go into the police station and he starts the hot water, the man says gas has been off for a month, so we know it's been longer than a month, exactly how long I don't know, but longer than a month for sure.
As for Shane and the Laurie situation, wow Shane is kinda a dog, he probably knew Rick wasn't dead when they left, but was hoping that eventually he would be killed so therefore told Laurie he was dead so he could have her.
As for Shane beating the crap outta Ed, good for him, yes he had pent up anger and did use it against the guy, but personally I HATE wife and children beaters so the guy deserved everybit of it, and I hope that if the guy starts hitting again that they do kill him off.
Merle was going loopy and wasn't thinking straight when the zombies starting coming so even if he did know about the chain he still would have hacked off his hand, for how he got down, I don't know something tells me he dropped to a lower roof top some where and is hididng in an ajacent building somewhere mumbling to himself.
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
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 I do not accept cutting the hand off as 'fantastic', however. There are sufficient real life examples to convince me it is more than believable under the circumstances. |
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Dumb question but would you really have to saw your hand off to get out of handcuffs? Would the complete thumb be enough to allow you to pull your hand out? Or would that be too awkward to do?
I am clueless about saws but I am guessing Merle would have used them before.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
So is Grimes the only primary character in the comic who's not a jackass?
For me, TWD is quickly turning into a show full of unlikable characters who drive the plot, then a bunch of sheep in the background who don't say much of anything.
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I thought about this too. I suppose if Merle was thinking "rationally" and had some time to weigh the alternatives it'd make more sense for him to saw his thumb off and slip out of the cuff that way. After all a thumbless hand has to be better than having no hand at all. |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Dumb question but would you really have to saw your hand off to get out of handcuffs? Would the complete thumb be enough to allow you to pull your hand out? Or would that be too awkward to do?
I am clueless about saws but I am guessing Merle would have used them before. |
Ultimately I think the makers of the show/story just wanted to have something like this be a "OMG!" shock thing. I still think, given all the alternatives, cutting something other than the hand/thumb/wrist would've been the more realistic option even given the threat of the zombies.
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Yeah I'm honestly losing some interest in this show already due to some of the "hollowness" of the characters we've seen. I'll definitely watch the rest of the season (since there's only 3 more shows) but I'm starting to wonder how long into the second season I'm going to be able to tolerate it. I really don't care to see "reality TV show" styled bickering with a few zombies thrown in for flavor every episode.
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So is Grimes the only primary character in the comic who's not a jackass?
For me, TWD is quickly turning into a show full of unlikable characters who drive the plot, then a bunch of sheep in the background who don't say much of anything. |
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If they REALLY wanted to give us an "OMG!" shock thing, they should have had Merle still handcuffed to the pipe, still alive, still intact... but wearing a pink tutu.
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Ultimately I think the makers of the show/story just wanted to have something like this be a "OMG!" shock thing.
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Maybe he IS wearing one under his clothes...
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Originally Posted by Flarstux
If they REALLY wanted to give us an "OMG!" shock thing, they should have had Merle still handcuffed to the pipe, still alive, still intact... but wearing a pink tutu.
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Wrist would be fastest, and the most obvious. There's a gap between the arm bone and the wrist bones, so you can sever the hand while only cutting through flesh. To take off your thumb you'd have to saw through bone, or carve far into the hand to get around the lowest metacarpal.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Dumb question but would you really have to saw your hand off to get out of handcuffs? Would the complete thumb be enough to allow you to pull your hand out? Or would that be too awkward to do?
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Of course, if you're familiar with Houdini's work, you'll know that the thumb can be dislocated and folded into the palm, allowing you to slip out of any wrist-enclosing device. That's a technique I've always wanted to learn but never got the incentive.
Anyway.
I caught this show last night and watched all three episodes. It's a darn good show so far. I have my doubts about how long they can continue a series like this; there is no stable center to the cast. But as a mini-series with a planned end point it is hitting on all cylinders.
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I caught this show last night and watched all three episodes. It's a darn good show so far. I have my doubts about how long they can continue a series like this; there is no stable center to the cast. But as a mini-series with a planned end point it is hitting on all cylinders.
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I honestly don't know that much about the comic book this show is based on. I do know it has had a bunch of issues (70 or more?) so the TV show can continue to follow the comic story for a while. Still I think the longer it runs the more likely it'll diverge from what's been established in the comic and fall apart.
This show's concept would have made for a perfect mini-series.
Now we'll probably never know what it could have been.
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Still loving it, really in places it is better than the comic was.
As far as him sawing his hand off, that was stupid on his part. The bold was rusty, and I think that would have been faster than the hand, also cutting that radial artery would have killed him unless a tourniquet was on it before hand. I have seen people with amputated hands live, but that tents to be because the artery was somehow closed in the process, closed in a way that a hack saw would not cover. Yeah, the rusty U-bolt would have been faster and wiser.
Now, there is a chance he didn't think of that because he was coming down from some chemical high, and was not in his right mind.
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I tend to think the whole "cutting the hand off" scenario was dumb as well, but as Devil's Advocate I can think of an answer for your point about needing a tourniquet: he could've used the same belt he used to fish for the saw in the first place. He could have wrapped that around his arm before he started cutting.|
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Still loving it, really in places it is better than the comic was.
As far as him sawing his hand off, that was stupid on his part. The bold was rusty, and I think that would have been faster than the hand, also cutting that radial artery would have killed him unless a tourniquet was on it before hand. I have seen people with amputated hands live, but that tents to be because the artery was somehow closed in the process, closed in a way that a hack saw would not cover. Yeah, the rusty U-bolt would have been faster and wiser. Now, there is a chance he didn't think of that because he was coming down from some chemical high, and was not in his right mind. |
Of course one could argue if he was rational enough to think about applying a tourniquet to himself he might have been rational enough to cut something other than one of his own body parts.
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Ok, you do know there is no such thing as zombies in the real world right? Therefore, since the entire plot is unrealistic why would anyone have to do anything realistic in this unrealistic world?
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I thought about this too. I suppose if Merle was thinking "rationally" and had some time to weigh the alternatives it'd make more sense for him to saw his thumb off and slip out of the cuff that way. After all a thumbless hand has to be better than having no hand at all.
Ultimately I think the makers of the show/story just wanted to have something like this be a "OMG!" shock thing. I still think, given all the alternatives, cutting something other than the hand/thumb/wrist would've been the more realistic option even given the threat of the zombies. |
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I got to say while a wild animal would be scary, zombies are still a bit more unnerving to me. But I would still be really unwilling to saw off body parts to get away. Saw open my throat to die quick? Yes. But I would expect I wouldn't live long after sawing off my hand anyway.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
OK, take the zombies out of the equation then. Replace the zombies trying to get through that door to eat Merle with an angry/hungry grizzly bear or Bengal tiger. Now rethink how Merle would have reacted "realistically" to a REAL LIFE threat to his life.
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I am not going to do well in a zombie apocalypse without super powers.
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I am not going to do well in a zombie apocalypse without super powers.
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I am not going to do well in a zombie apocalypse without super powers.
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That's not going to do the rest of us any good at all.
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If I remember the prior episode, didn't Glen and Rick climb up a ladder to a roof, then cross from one roof to another over some big plank thing (Rick about this time asks if Glen was the one who barricaded the alley below), then on the second roof they went down through a vent/hatch. |
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Zombies at the door, panic sets in, you saw off what's fastest. But how did he get off the roof of a multistory building with one hand and not be street pizza for zombies?
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And yeah, drug addicts in general don't do smart things, even when not directly high. I get to work with them daily. I have several Merle's on my caseload .... fun times believe me. Add in some dehydration and exposure and what was shown of him on the roof ... I think it is safe to say he was nowhere near rational
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Fire escape on the side of the building? The mystery helicopter Rick saw?
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Zombies at the door, panic sets in, you saw off what's fastest. But how did he get off the roof of a multistory building with one hand and not be street pizza for zombies?
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Fire escape on the side of the building? The mystery helicopter Rick saw?
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Well we've already talked about a hypothetical fire escape but I didn't think about the possibility of the "mystery helicopter" picking him up. That would put a fun spin on things.
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(I am not looking for spoilers if any exist on this I was just writing out loud.)
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That chopper is one of my big curiosities. Did he actually see it or was it a hallucination as the others believed?
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That would actually explain pretty much all the plot holes and logical inconsistencies this show ever generates.
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Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!