Would you watch a 5th Indiana Jones movie starring "Mutt" as the new Indiana?


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Hmm... This latest reply begs a new question *points to altered subject line*

Would you watch a 5th Indiana Jones movie starring Pee Wee Herman as the new Indiana?

I'd have to say that I would definitely watch that.


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Could they recast Mutt? I liked the Mutt character, but I didn't like Shia in the role. That said, I felt most of the acting in Crystal Skull was either too cardboard or too hammy, and I did like Shia in Eagle Eye. So, uh, yeah. I'd give it a shot.


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Crystal Skull was still better than Temple of Doom.


 

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Mutt might have had some education but as stated, doesn't have the experience of Indy and no amount of intense schooling would bring him up to Doctor Jones' level in a sufficiently short space of time. I just don't think he'd have the authority of years of study to bring to bear on cunning ancient conundrums. I could see the film becoming Mutt just stumbling through one booby trap to the next and not having to apply his brain. And that'd just make it like another Lara Croft film for me.

One positive thing about Crystal Skull was that it suddenly made me realise how good Temple of Doom really is.


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Crystal Skull was still better than Temple of Doom.
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Absolutely not.

The series is "Indiana Jones" not "Son of Indiana Jones." It makes about as much sense as "Flash Gordon's Daughter fights the Moon Men" or "Alan Quatermain's Fifth Cousin and the Temple of the Brass Monkey." What they need to do is recast Indy and send him back to the pulp era, possibly with a loving "passing of the torch" intro with Ford starting telling his grand kids about "... the time when I was in Singapore... (fade to new Indy in trouble as usual)"

And personally, I think Nathan Fillion would make a *great* Indy.


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AbsWhat they need to do is recast Indy and send him back to the pulp era, possibly with a loving "passing of the torch" intro with Ford starting telling his grand kids about "... the time when I was in Singapore... (fade to new Indy in trouble as usual)"
Been done, start at :49 seconds.


 

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HAVE YOU ALL FORGOTTEN!?


 

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I don't have any problem with shia the actor like some, but regardless of how you feel about him, he wasn't the problem with Indy 4, some of the writing and scenes were the problems with indy 4. This franchise needs a george lucas filter if it has any chance of successfully continuing. And I don't mean to be too critical, because the guy is very creative, but some his his dumber ideas can crush a movie, and need to be filtered out.


 

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HAVE YOU ALL FORGOTTEN!?
One of lucas' dumb ideas that required filtering, lol...


 

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I'd catch it if it was on the telly a couple of years after release probably, but I'm not paying for it.


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HAVE YOU ALL FORGOTTEN!?
No, I just honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Edit: Seriously, someone explain to me why everyone loathes this scene. I mean yeah it's stupid, but it's not like there's never been stupid scenes in the Indiana Jones series before (That dumb banquet scene in Temple of Doom, surviving falling out of a plane in a raft, surviving a tank falling off a cliff with zero explanation, every Willie Scott scene in Temple of doom...actually in retrospect, let's just say half the scenes in Temple of Doom). But why this particular scene?


 

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No, I just honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Edit: Seriously, someone explain to me why everyone loathes this scene. I mean yeah it's stupid, but it's not like there's never been stupid scenes in the Indiana Jones series before (That dumb banquet scene in Temple of Doom, surviving falling out of a plane in a raft, surviving a tank falling off a cliff with zero explanation, every Willie Scott scene in Temple of doom...actually in retrospect, let's just say half the scenes in Temple of Doom). But why this particular scene?
Agreed.
I don't know if I have anything else to add to that.
Although, Temple Of Doom is... well, yeah... Hmm, what about Raiders... what stupid scenes does that have (I'm not saying this as though it doesn't have any... I'm wondering aloud, so to speak)...

I can't think of any from Raiders...

Heh... then again, while it is an awesome scene all the way through, the climbing/dragging under the truck scene doesn't really look/work all that well (The rest of the scene does).
I know it was a huge stunt and many people were in love with it (And it certainly creates a buzz), but... it's noticeably sped up... and is kinda silly, really.

Anyways... Not like I really feel any need to rip apart any of the movies. I loved Crystal Skull. *shrugs*


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No, I just honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Edit: Seriously, someone explain to me why everyone loathes this scene. I mean yeah it's stupid, but it's not like there's never been stupid scenes in the Indiana Jones series before (That dumb banquet scene in Temple of Doom, surviving falling out of a plane in a raft, surviving a tank falling off a cliff with zero explanation, every Willie Scott scene in Temple of doom...actually in retrospect, let's just say half the scenes in Temple of Doom). But why this particular scene?
Because it's by FAR the most ridiculous, impossible and just plain dumb looking scene in any of the movies. Some greaser kid suddenly learns how to swing from vines through a ******* jungle, gathers an army of monkeys, then somehow manages to catch up to a speeding caravan of motor vehicles. There are pleny of other ridiculous scenes in that particular movie, and in temple of doom as well, but this scene is by far the worst of them.

And yeah there are other ridiculous scenes including improbably meal selections and unlikely survivals from falls, but they just don't compare to fonzi turning into tarzan, imo. It took the stupid meter that used to go to ten, and made it go to eleven.


 

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Because it's by FAR the most ridiculous, impossible and just plain dumb looking scene in any of the movies. Some greaser kid suddenly learns how to swing from vines through a ******* jungle, gathers an army of monkeys, then somehow manages to catch up to a speeding caravan of motor vehicles. There are pleny of other ridiculous scenes in that particular movie, and in temple of doom as well, but this scene is by far the worst of them.

And yeah there are other ridiculous scenes including improbably meal selections and unlikely survivals from falls, but they just don't compare to fonzi turning into tarzan, imo. It took the stupid meter that used to go to ten, and made it go to eleven.
If I hadn't been at this movie with other people, I would have walked out of the movie and asked for my money back at this point. Seriously.

You summed up my thoughts as to why this doesn't work at all. Throw in all the other just utterly stupid things leading up this point of the film, and this was just a big bag of fail (though you forgot the inclination of the monkeys to suddenly launch an unprovoked surprise attack on Cate Blanchett).


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For all that say Mutt is not Indiana Jones, you are right. He's not Indiana Jones, he's the son of Indiana Jones.

The questions comes down to these options:

1. Should the franchise just stop, except for books and games?
2. Should they pass the torch to his son?
3. Should they recast Indiana Jones like MGM does with James Bond?


 

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1. maybe see answer 3
2. no, bad character is still bad character.
3. if they could get the right type of guy yes. Ya know ruggedly good looking, decent actor, refuses to shave below the neck. If they go for the emo almost fem looking man that seems to be all the rage right now then hell no.

Right now all Lucas based movies are on a wait till Redbox release before I will think about seeing them.


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If I hadn't been at this movie with other people, I would have walked out of the movie and asked for my money back at this point. Seriously.

You summed up my thoughts as to why this doesn't work at all. Throw in all the other just utterly stupid things leading up this point of the film, and this was just a big bag of fail (though you forgot the inclination of the monkeys to suddenly launch an unprovoked surprise attack on Cate Blanchett).
The ridiculous use of monkeys as an attack force was implied when i refered to them as an 'army'... lol. Ya, there is ridiculous, which can be acceptable up to a point if the rest of the movie is good, then there is just plain stupid ridiculous, which is what that scene was.


 

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1. maybe see answer 3
2. no, bad character is still bad character.
3. if they could get the right type of guy yes. Ya know ruggedly good looking, decent actor, refuses to shave below the neck. If they go for the emo almost fem looking man that seems to be all the rage right now then hell no.

Right now all Lucas based movies are on a wait till Redbox release before I will think about seeing them.
Mutt strikes me as being fairly well educated but stopped in probably his sophomore or junior college year, and is of course at the "Angry young man age". Now he has a father he never knew he had, and the father gives him some guidance, gets him back into school (given that Indy is now the assistant Dean of the university he should have no trouble with that), he finishes his education and also studies his father's journals and books and gets some knowledge of the world. Honestly he strikes me as a good kid that for years did not have a father to give some moral guidance and discipline. Now he has one.

So let's say Mutt graduates, pursues some archaeology, studies his father's journals (surely Indy has some journals of his adventures), and even does a stint in the military possibly in the Korean War given the time frame.

Would that remake the character enough to make him an adventurer able to carry on the family tradition?


 

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It's not the kid's training. It is the character himself. He is just unlikeable in that Anakin Skywalker way. The TV show about the Young Indiana might not have been that great but all three of the actors (kid, young adult, old man) that played the part had a ceratin spark to them. Maybe if they replaced Shia with someone who could make the part work it might be a success.


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The ridiculous use of monkeys as an attack force was implied when i refered to them as an 'army'... lol. Ya, there is ridiculous, which can be acceptable up to a point if the rest of the movie is good, then there is just plain stupid ridiculous, which is what that scene was.
I missed that. On another note, "Army of Angry Monkeys" would be a great band name.


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To be honest instead of a Mutt-based Indiana Jones movie I'd almost rather see a "young Henry Jones" movie to see some early adventures Indy's father. Yes we know he was obsessed with the Holy Grail but there must be a story behind HOW he became obsessed with that. How did he met Indy's mother and/or Marcus Brody? I figure it'd be cooler to see this kind of prequel film than some kind of "Son of Indy" spinoff.
That could work!

Absolutely no Mutt.

I WOULD want to see a Harrison Ford sequel just to make up for crystal skull.


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Because it's by FAR the most ridiculous, impossible and just plain dumb looking scene in any of the movies. Some greaser kid suddenly learns how to swing from vines through a ******* jungle, gathers an army of monkeys, then somehow manages to catch up to a speeding caravan of motor vehicles. There are pleny of other ridiculous scenes in that particular movie, and in temple of doom as well, but this scene is by far the worst of them.
That was the scene where the movie jumped the shark. Up to then it had enough good to make some of the bad palatable. And from there it became a TV movie but with somewhat better effects, culminating in aliens killing the villain for no reason of any sort and a random secret base implosion.

There are stupid scenes even in the last crusade (its own secret base implosion chief among them), but they generally served some sort of plot purpose, had better acting, were counteracted by more positives, or at least were not THAT stupid. The monkey army was among the most ridiculous movie scenes I have ever encountered, and I like camp and don't require movies to make sense.

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I don't have any problem with shia the actor like some, but regardless of how you feel about him, he wasn't the problem with Indy 4, some of the writing and scenes were the problems with indy 4. This franchise needs a george lucas filter if it has any chance of successfully continuing. And I don't mean to be too critical, because the guy is very creative, but some his his dumber ideas can crush a movie, and need to be filtered out.
George Lucas is creative and underrated, but to BE creative you need to have a kind of openness that makes editors important. I don't mean some sort of executive meddler, who is almost always worse, but at least a trusted collaborator who isn't a yes man.


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