I hate what super boosters have done to the community

Yeah, I figured they were permanent additions, but cool they are adding additional standard arcs too. They way you describe it, sure, I could be up for that.

Hey! I just remembered... Vanguard outfits. Free with the RWZ issue and earnable Merits.

And all the Vanguard weapons that were added with Power Customization.

You are correct Sam, Vet attacks pretty much do the same damage for all ATs, regardless of the buffs/debuffs - your description of how it worked used some game mechanics terms a bit loosely is all.

The vet attacks appear to either ignore AT damage mods or work from a fixed set of damage mods (maybe pet damage mods?) They also ignore damage buffs/debuffs (as shown in the combat attributes window). However as far as I can tell they are affected by all other combat buffs/debuffs (accuracy, to hit, recharge, etc) which is good since there is no way to slot accuracy modifiers in them.

I find the vet attacks are best in the following situations:

1) At low levels when you don't have a full attack chain and beginners luck makes up for lack of acc slotting
2) At high levels when you have a lot of +acc or +to hit from powers/IO sets and you need a ranged attack, etc.
3) on low damage AT's that don't have a lot of attacks, especially those that have some way of debuffing enemy def like controllers.
4) on super strength brutes/tanks when rage crashes. Nice thing here is that since the vet attacks ignore damage (de)buffs you get full damage but they are affected by to hit/acc buffs so you get the +20% to hit from rage.

Yes, they always do the same damage for all ATs (at a given level). That's because they do not use the regular AT modifiers table used by most attacks.

That has nothing to do with why you can't buff their damage. That they ignore damage buffs is a different aspect of the power.

PS: I'm being derriere-puckeringly technical about terms here just to clarify what I meant. There's no real argument going on here from my perspective.

I get using "mods" to mean "modifiers" in the sense that damage buffs modify a power's damage. As a direct reply to what I said cutting out "AT", it wasn't clear to me that was what you were doing. I thought you were correcting me and/or mistaking the behavior of the vet powers as related to what mod tables they used.

But we had to buy computers to run the game, so they weren't actually free.

I'm reminded of Top Cat who was holding some kind of a party with "Free soda at 20 cents per bottle."

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Oh, I'm not trying to pick a fight, either Just wanted to reinforce that, other circumstances notwithstanding, veteran and temporary powers ignore AT modifiers and use their own static ones. Hence why they're comparatively more useful to, say, a Defender than a Blaster - a Blaster's own damage overshadows the power, whereas a Defender's low damage mod makes it seem stronger.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Not so sure about this Sam. I have noticed the Warchades dealing significantly less damage with their Nemesis staffs compared to the Peacebringers, and they are still less than the scrappers/blasters I usually play.

City of Data lists the Nemesis Staff as doing 175.63 Smashing damage for both Peacebringers and Warshades at level 50. I would be surprised if it weren't since Peacebringers and Warshades have the same mods for everything and are both listed as Kheldian in damage mod tables. Furthermore, the power is listed as doing 175.63 Smashing damage for a level 50 Blaster, as well. I lack level 50 Kheldians to test this with, but I'll see about throwing a few Nemesis Staff bolts from different ATs to check in person, when I get the time.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I was leveling up a WS and PB, and for my other ATs, the staff usually takes half to 2/3 of their life. For my khelds, it took 1/3 to barely half. I know my blasters can use the staff to two shot most minions. That just was not working for my khelds.

Antecdotal evidence is not enough to sway my case, of course, so if I really want to know, I will have to stop playing long enough to actually test it out.

Thanks for the stats though Sam.

If I remember and take time from Trick or Treating I can verify this at lunch.

Thanks Swellguy. I won't be back on until after 7 tonight. Not an auspicious start to Halloween ToTing.

Both my lvl 50 PB and WS did 176 + 88 bonus against a lvl 50 Possessed Scientist minion with nem staff.

Perhaps you saw a difference when a damage resistance buff or a debuff was in effect against your targets.

Now you're just being picky I'd be playing the game anyhow, meaning earning pieces would be part of what I'm doing anyhow. Now I have to play the game and pay extra for pieces.

In the past, certain costume pieces were special because one earned them. They were an achievement, like badges. Now? Well, any schlep with $10 can just toss it at the NCStore. An achievement, for sure

Here's my rhetorical question: Two booster packs on the heals of a paid expansion?

Which was the same as not adding them in at all for many of us.

A few were... too few to be considered a pattern, really, and as many detractors point out, the "achievement" is usually nothing more than a willingness to waste free time.

On the other hand, we've had 11 optional booster packs (including the ones associated with the "GvE" or "Mac" editions) since Sept, 2006, so this is hardly a new trend.

1) Three- you're forgetting the "complete collection booster pack."

2) That's not much of a rhetorical question... rhetorical questions are posed for their persuasive effect with no expectation of an answer. Your statement hardly qualifies as a question, let alone holding enough content within for a good persuasive effect. It seems the only thing that it does have is that you'd expect/hope it not be answered :P. (Also, it's "on the HEELS" ) (EDIT: just friendly ribbing, there Obsidious, no offense intended.)


3) As a possible answer: If the option is, "bring in extra revenue and offer additional cool stuff to those willing to pay for it" or "don't bring in revenue and curb development to fit our budget" then I gladly accept the option that gives me the option to pay extra for something I want and otherwise wouldn't get.

If I thought that they were sitting on a pile of money and just asking for more money, I'd be upset. With some understanding on the costs associated with an MMO (and the need to have a REASONABLE return on investment), I know that's not the case.

I have no need to be special, and I really don't care if you're special either.

No the thing is we got money, so we can get them if we like it. I don't think there nothing wrong with Booster Pack. A lot of MMO make Packs like this, just to make a dollar or two. I see nothing wrong here with any of this, They do need to Market Stuff, in fact more just to keep things going, Sell T-Shirts, Key Chains, Action Figures. When a game become Free to play, what do you think keep there game going, Also Hiring and Paying there staff?

Came looking for a thread about Superadine; found angst and entitlement instead.

I really wish they'd release the Fitness pool as a booster pack. But it'd be a waste of money, since I already have it on all my characters.

--NT

Possibly. I had not taken that into consideration I suppose. Thanks Swellguy!

i really hate what threads complaining about booster packs inspired by distorted recollections of the game's history of costume additions have done to the community. Not that the OP was all about that, but it certainly attracted some of the same misinformation and hyperbole as those threads.

Actually, i don't hate it that much.
But it does get a bit tiresome.
Time to go trick or treat.

No offense taken... it was a baited question, admittedly.