I hate what super boosters have done to the community
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Angelxman81,
Posted on: 2010-10-15 05:16 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Dz131
so.....why not just charge for VEATs directly?
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Because that fundamentally changes the Devs philosophy of the game: VEATS are unlocked. If you could buy a VEAT there would be so many outcries; "HEATs are free why must I pay for a villain epic" would be just one of the "Devs Hate Villains" cries, and there are very few positives that could come from a unique purchasable AT.
This way, the Booster paid for the VEAT, and people who didn't want one, got the other. Win win
Thelonious Monk
i12 pvp booster plz
[QUOTE=Bill Z Bubba;3265201]You sound like you run slowly at level 4.
I don't have the mac/valkyrie pack nor the dance pack. I'm glad I've purchased the others. I hope that the devs lost money on the dance pack so that they don't pull that crap again.
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I'm not sure that's even possible, unless they created the pack by paying a necromancer to raise Michael Jackson for 5 minutes and used motion capture on him for the pop dance. 
More likely they *found* the party pack under a coaster left behind by Lighthouse, who was messing around one evening with animations in an attempt to impress BaB.
Or it just grew naturally out of the Cyborg pack, like a piece of fruit.
The Widow's Dark Hand - leader of Faux Pas
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[QUOTE=Creole Ned;3271147]Regarding what the monthly fee for the game covers, NCsoft has this in their Support Knowledge Base:
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Why should I have to pay a monthly fee?
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The subscription fees you pay for City of Heroes, City of Villains, Lineage, Lineage II and Aion are used for the following:
A full-time development team that is constantly updating the game with new features to make gameplay more exciting
The availability, maintenance and up-keep of multiple servers for players to choose from, and the addition of new servers as needed
An expanded support team to address any in-game, technical, or billing and account questions or issues in an expedient manner
A full-time Quality Assurance Team to test bug fixes and new features
A network team to minimize downtime caused by any connectivity or server issues that occur
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I love how the PR team isn't on this list, lol.
The Widow's Dark Hand - leader of Faux Pas
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Several years ago I mentioned the idea that the devs should put all the Arachnos helms in a pack to sell for Kids Play, the charity organization. It would cost them little, and it would be good PR on both sides of the fence. Boy, some of the player base were vehemenent against it.
Over all I am fine with booster packs. The Party Pack was a joke, and it deserved to fail. To take content out of an expansion, and try to charge for it not even a month later, is pretty damn low for marketing. I am glad it failed.
Sadly, I think the low sales of it may have contributed to the lay offs as well.
For what I would buy?
:Alternate colors/animations of powers.
:Epic ATs. If they are cost along the same lines as regular boosters, or cheaper, and it unlocks on all servers unlimited.
:A weapons costume piece pack
:A pack for Kids Play that unlocked a bunch of in game alternate costume pieces account wide, such as the Roman stuff.
:More costumes! I would prefer that they have some fun emotes and play powers as well
:Liefeld pack! (Ok maybe I would not buy that. I am not a fan of his art lol. I am sure many players here would like to be covered in more pouches than a marsupials wet dream.)
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I don't want my characters to lose their feet, have hideously wide faces and bodies that appear to be a right-angled triangle from above.|
Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
Liefeld pack! (Ok maybe I would not buy that. I am not a fan of his art lol. I am sure many players here would like to be covered in more pouches than a marsupials wet dream.)
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I would pay for a Liefield Pack if it solely consisted of a smoke aura that obscured the feet, lol
The Widow's Dark Hand - leader of Faux Pas
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I largely agree with Blackarachnia here.
I'm not opposed to boosters with emotes and costume pieces.
My current issue with boosters is including powers with them that give players gameplay advantages. That will always be my opposition. This is going to be cumulative over time and the more we add, the bigger a potential power gap we could end up creating between the haves and have-nots.
Ninja Run should have been included in the game as a global unlockable power or just a regular power that could be chosen at the same level as our first pool power.
I love ninja run as much as the next guy, but I'd rather it be part of a decent travel power pool along with some more, much needed travel powers.
Including an entire EAT, while something I hadn't thought of, isn't really that bad an idea as long as it's not the only way to get that AT.
At the same time, I don't want all our costume pieces going forward to either be boosters or high level unlocks.
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I remember when we got stuff like the Jester and Enforcer sets for free >.>
... just sayin' 
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This I have to agree with, and for a couple of reasons. While costumes are cosmetic and just improve your creative toolset, powers are practical and really divide people into haves and have nots. I, as the owner of every Booster Pack under the sun, should not have the strong advantage I have over new players. I can, as of the time of this post, teleport directly to my mission and base, run very fast and jump very high as early as level 4, wield three extra attacks with no power picks in them, take a travel power at level 6 instead of 14, summon a pet which buffs me and reveal the entire map at the push of a button.|
Originally Posted by Slashman
My current issue with boosters is including powers with them that give players gameplay advantages. That will always be my opposition. This is going to be cumulative over time and the more we add, the bigger a potential power gap we could end up creating between the haves and have-nots.
Ninja Run should have been included in the game as a global unlockable power or just a regular power that could be chosen at the same level as our first pool power. |
None of those, when taken alone, are all that big of a deal, but they add up over time. If we keep adding Ninja Run style powers to Booster Packs - and they WILL keep making Booster Packs - then after a certain point, we're going to start getting into seriously dangerous territory with no way to stop. Look at people these days, and how they complain that their booster doesn't come with an awesome power. We expect this because they keep providing it, and they keep providing it because we expect it. This is bad for the game long-term. It's bad for the game even now, as a matter of fact.
Additionally, anything that comes as part of a Booster is practically guaranteed to be kicked out of the development queue and will never, EVER be expanded upon, upgraded or improved. Look at trenchcoats. They gave us ONE and nothing has been added to that entire category for the entire time it has existed. We don't even have the option for sleeveless trenchcoats (in the same way as sleeveless jackets that you can use big gloves with). And I don't think we'll ever get any more. Why would we, when it's a veteran reward? And what about the Bolero. Think we'll ever get other Bolero styles? Because I don't see it. Booster Packs never get item upgrades once they've been released and paid for.
The same goes for Ninja Run. It could have been a pretty decent travel power, it could have added more options to our builds, it could have come with an entire set. It could have been slottable. But no. Because it's a paid-for power, not only will it never be slottable, but it also guarantees that we'll never get a pool power like it, because, well... What about those who PAID for a lesser version of a power you're giving for free? Won't someone think of the children!?!
We need to stop adding unbalancing powers to Super Boosters and start working those into the general powers system, because that's where the bulk of the game's value is. And we need to start adding items to categories originally introduced by veteran and purchased packs. Keep the veteran trenchcoat unavailable (if you must), but add other trenchcoats to it. In a Booster Pack, if necessary.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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So do I. Remember any OTHER time that happened?
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Originally Posted by Obsidius
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I remember when we got stuff like the Jester and Enforcer sets for free >.> ... just sayin' |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Nope, but I can't be bothered to care or recollect one way or another at this point.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
So do I. Remember any OTHER time that happened?
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Those aren't Booster Packs, Sam.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
wield three extra attacks with no power picks in them, take a travel power at level 6 instead of 14, summon a pet which buffs me and reveal the entire map at the push of a button
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They're still things we paid for (each one is three months' worth of cost) and still things that, going into the 60-month ones, a lot of people don't have and won't have.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Those aren't Booster Packs, Sam.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Don't remind me. Memphis Bill might come along and we'll derail the entitlement whining into vet rewards instead of booster packs. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
They're still things we paid for (each one is three months' worth of cost) and still things that, going into the 60-month ones, a lot of people don't have and won't have.
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Now I wish booster packs weren't available to veterans, just for the neener factor.
I think the next set of Booster Packs should be to get Vet Reward powers early, and to unlock existing sets/accolades early.
Ex: The Cimerora Pack
Unlocks the Cimeroan Costume Sets (Costume and weapons/shield customization--including the Nictus Sword), account wide, from the start.
And, one of the accolade powers for free from the start.
The Vet Reward Pack, Year 1
All the Year 1 Vet Rewards, catches the account up for those years, meaning the next reward would be for 15 months, regardless of the previous amount.
The Vet Reward Pack, Year 2
As above, but it wouldn't catch the character up unless they were at Year 2 (when they reach it, they'd go straight to Year 3, meaning, it'd go from the 12 month reward to the 27 month reward)
Etc.
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Originally Posted by Creole Ned
Regarding what the monthly fee for the game covers, NCsoft has this in their Support Knowledge Base:
Question Why should I have to pay a monthly fee? Answer The subscription fees you pay for City of Heroes, City of Villains, Lineage, Lineage II and Aion are used for the following: A full-time development team that is constantly updating the game with new features to make gameplay more exciting. |
Notice how they don't promise that any new content and features will be added for free? There's no mention of free content.
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| Guild Wars does not require a subscription fee. The game was built from the ground up with that factor in mind. The Guild Wars model, offering a new chapter in the Guild Wars saga every six to nine months, will sustain the game and enable us to support the free online play. |
Even when they specifically mention Guild Wars they go out of their way to explain that the only thing free there is that they don't have a subscription fee. You pay for all the content.
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Originally Posted by BenRGamer
I think the next set of Booster Packs should be to get Vet Reward powers early, and to unlock existing sets/accolades early.
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Well I think the next Vet Reward should give all 78 month vets free access to all existing and future Booster Packs.
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So long as both are implemented, this sounds like a wonderful idea to me.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
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I keep saying this in these kinds of threads and it keeps getting ignored, but over a six year lifespan not raising the sub fee IS "increased value".|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Yes and they should also not expect to keep getting our $15 dollars a month if they stop providing increased value with their product.
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I'm not interested enough to do a detailed survey, but I'll wager there aren't that many entertainment services that haven't hiked prices in the last six years.
$14.95 in 2004 dollars carried more purchasing power than $14.95 today.
The fact that we've ALSO been getting 'increased value' via big changes arriving with the 'free' issues is pretty amazing, and IMHO should earn the devs some credit with any reasonable gamer.
Boosters are a way for them to increase income without increasing sub fees. Players that want to 'opt in' can do so, everyone else can just ignore it. I really don't understand all the complaining.
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Eh, I'm worried about the gameplay balance with the various powers, myself.
They add up, like the other guy said.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I really don't understand all the complaining.
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A player wants it. A player doesn't want to pay extra for it. A player rationalizes why they shouldn't have to pay extra for it.
Meanwhile at McDonalds meals go up. In vending machines and at convienence and grocery stores snacks and drinks go up. At the bars and restaurants and liquor stores, alcoholic beverages go up.
But if after 6 years the monthly sub goes up or items get sold to prevent that...
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Look, I don't mind booster packs myself, just the unbalancing nature of the combined mini-powers.
For example, from what I've heard, it's possible with Hurdle for Ninja Run to be better at Horizontal movement than Super Jump. And with i19, Hurdle's going to become completely inherent.
Does that sound like Ninja Run's a simple novelty power?
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Written that way it seems like a major issue but when I play on my account without them and my account with them while I miss them they hardly inhibit my ability to play or level.|
Originally Posted by BenRGamer
Look, I don't mind booster packs myself, just the unbalancing nature of the combined mini-powers.
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In other words "making a mountain out of a molehill."
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I hate guild wars, now GW2 omg a dream come true so far if its all that and bags of chips CoH is gonna need that f2p concept with buy boosters n packs as the bread n butter imo.
Of course I won't up n go. I have a sg/vg crew, and I respect, and really do care for there feelings to just abandon what we worked on for years. There is the chance I could be playing less though I won't deny that.