Buff Peacebringers!!

I'm a big fan of my PB. I think the biggest thing to improve PBs is learning to play them! Specifically the knock back. I don't think any of these proposed buffs would happen in game, because PBs play different from any AT. I don't plan on my WS and PB to be played the same, just as my Grav/Energy Dom plays different from my Mind/Psi Dom. *My PB plays well as is, maybe you don't LIKE the knock back, but are you "playing" the knock back?

I look at my PB as the games best Energy/Energy blapper. I think if you play a PB (human only) like that, you will see what I mean. I actually need to update my human only PB guide next week, but as for changes, I'm guessing we will see very few if any in the upcoming 2-3 issues.

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I like these changes, more or less (I mean, the numbers may not be quite right, but I like the direction).

Lightform is a real mixed bag now, going it a lower duration while keeping the duty cycle about the same is a really nice idea IMHO. It's a bit like the MoG fix.

These changes might make them OP in PVP though, (who cares right!?).

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Originally Posted by EvilGeko OK we all know Warshades are better than Peacebringers late game, if anyone agrees, we'll argue it out. But better to just get to the idea. DO THIS CASTLE: Increase Ranged damage modifier and melee defense and resist modifiers to .85. Gleaming Bolt: Increase this power's damage scale from .6 to 1.32, increase its recharge from 1.5 seconds to 3 seconds and increased its endurance cost from 3.12 to 4.37. Glinting Eye: Increase this power's damage scale from 1 to 1.64, increase its recharge from 4 to 8 seconds and increased its endurance cost from 5.2 to 8.528 Gleaming Blast: Increased this power's damage scale from 1.64 to 1.96, increase its recharge from 8 seconds to 10 seconds and increased its endurance cost from 8.5 to 10.2. Proton Scatter: Increase this power's damage scale from 1.04 to 1.3, increase its recharge from 12 to 16 seconds and increased its endurance cost from 11.9 to 15.18. Solar Flare: Reduce KB magnitude to 1.4 from 4.1. Light Form: Reduce recharge to 360 seconds; reduce duration to 90 seconds; reduce Sm, Le, Eng, Neg resistance to Scale 3; Fire, Cold, Toxic resistance to Scale 1.5, Remove -recovery, -end at termination The blast changes are mostly lifted from similar changes done to Dominators to great effect. Peacebringers don't have the same damage buffing ability that Warshades do, hence the small buff to base damage to go along with the blast changes. The Solar Flare change maintains the KB that some folks enjoy, but lessens the scatter a bit. Finally, the changes to Light Form and the base resist changes are to provide Peacebringers the same opportunities for mitigation in the human form that Warshades have with Eclipse. But it's a different path. The changes to Light Form make it work similar to One with the Shield and Strength of Will but without the ban on recharge enhancement.

One change I would like to see is with Photon Seekers: reduce their recharge to 120 seconds and flag them so that only three are allowed out at one time.

The sixty second duration and 300 second recharge limits their usefulness. Warshades' extracted essences, by contrast, are permable, and with slotting and minimal IO investment and hasten are stackable to three. Essences keep right on blasting instead of self destructing, and a warshade can switch to dwarf and tank for them.

Photon Seekers go bang. That's it for about another 120 seconds (with recharge slotting). Reducing their recharge to 120 seconds out of the box makes them a more permanent addition to the Peacebringer's arsenal, and expands their usefulness to more than just an offensive mini-nuke that's only most of the time reliable.

With the shorter recharge, I could cast them and go nova - using them as angry little shields to keep melee fliers at bay. They could protect my human form when mezzed. Or I could cast my nuke and have them mop up the stragglers to give me time to recover from the crash.

Or I could use them exactly as they are used now - that wouldn't change.

Point is, I can do all that now, but using them defensively now means that I'll have to wait so long before I can use them again that it becomes prohibitively inefficient to use them any other way than as a mini-nuke. With the shorter recharge I wouldn't worry about that because they would be back in a short while, anyway. It gives me more flexibility with the power.

I want to say that each Seeker does that much damage. However, it is over a limited area, so you might have difficulty getting the explosions to overlap enough. I generally use Seekers when I'm in the middle of a mob, as I figure that maximizes the damage.

However, it can be nice to summon them and go to Nova, and they'll go after whatever aggros on you. Does a decent amount of damage that way, and mitigation.

Basically, the three Seekers are independent of each other and can go after whatever they want in aggro range. Summoning them up close makes it more of a sure thing their explosions will overlap. Letting them run in to a mob on their own leads to... uncertain results. Some targets will get pasted, others won't. And they may ignore that boss you would have preferred they went after. Summoning up close helps guarantee that they'll hit everything.

They're fun, but more temperemental than a nuke, which is why people argue for a recharge reduction. They're hardly so good as to warrant their recharge, even though my PB has a lot of recharge and Hasten to bring them up somewhat often. I'd rather they were available every few mobs than 2-3 times in a mission (depending on the length).

Yup, that's pretty much what I said. Each one has its own targeting, and it will decide to go after... whatever. They're not as bad as they used to be (Castle fixed them up a bit when he improved Kheldians), but they're still rather random, which is why I prefer using them up close.

Thanks for the info on the damage, as I wasn't sure. I knew you could kill minions with them if the explosions overlap enough, so I thought maybe the higher figure was correct.

I do like the power and how random it is, actually. I just thing the recharge is rather punitive for what it does. Heck, Dark Extraction has lower recharge and the pets persist and do damage for 90 seconds. A blast of high damage is nice, but seriously...

IDK if this has been mentioned or not but the buff i would really like to see is make it so their inherent gets the SK treatment and has no tether at all. Seems simple and fair to me.

Having played a PB to 50 I can honestly say that I've never had WS envy. Usually when I team with a WS he or she ends up dying while my merry PB keeps right on chugging. Even if Warshades are better at end game stuff it wouldn't be fair to buff Peacebringers when they seem to have the advantage on survivability at the lower levels.

I've never minded the crash from Light Form either cause three minutes is a very long time in game terms and you usually have plenty of opportunity to get into a position where popping Essence Boost or some other of your heals will get you safely back into the fight. Only changes I'd make to either Kheldian is to somehow increase Mez protection for Human and Nova (at least while grouping) and maybe also give Dwarf form a slight damage increase from CB/DS.

I've read through the thread and must say I'd be behind most of the suggested changes.

INCREASE BASE DAMAGE!!!
If you couldn't tell by the large script and excessive use of exclamation points, this is the buff I'd like to see most Peacebringers don't have anywhere near the same capability to increase their own damage as Warshades do. Now that's not a bad thing since it differentiates the ATs from one another.

But, as it stands, PBs don't do enough damage on their own to compensate for this fact. I'm not suggesting trying to equalize the two but an increase to both melee and ranged damage modifiers would do a lot to improve the performance of Peacebringers, particularly at higher levels where Warshades begin to severely outpace them.

An increase to .95(Melee) and .85(Ranged) would give PBs solid damage without making them overpowered or requiring any major changes to power mechanics that could potentially unbalance the AT in comparison to others.