Buff Peacebringers!!

However, all the numbers of a Peacebringer's attacks and defenses in all the forms are balanced around the maximum possible, after boosts by the PB Inherent, still being less than that of a more "specialized" archetype at the same level.

The *optimal* attack chain for a human form peacebringer is about 105 dps, including the very expensive Hecatomb and Apocalypse procs.

The *average* attack chain for a blaster or a scrapper runs about 200-225 dps. Without procs or expensive IOs.

Simply put, the numbers are too low for Peacebringers at their base. Period.

Once the Alpha slot is properly working for PB added with fitness (stamina) also working for the class I belive we are going to really see the AT buff up a lot more then other classes.

Going for a global recharge IO (basically with the Alpha slot) with the new extra end/second (From stamina) will increase my DPS significantly as well as close my Dwarf's attack chain.

Question, as I am not at home for a few days (COH withdrawls are starting) the +end proc in one of the end mod sets, that can go in both stamina and each of the forms's right? With 2 active when shape shifted? Or is in unique?

With an added recharge of 33% with some going past ED and all that extra END, I am looking forward to being the blast-o-matic 9000.

Yes other classes also get to go Alpha crazy, however having less powers and a higher slots/power ratio will get less of an overall increase.

I think the may issue with Peacebringers is that they were designed back when GDN/ED wasn't still on the horizon.


Before, a PB could be almost as good as a Tanker, on his own reaching 85% damage res, good heals with a heal which could be 5-6 sloted with heals (pre-ED) or deal good damage with Nova form 5-6 sloted for damage (Pre-ED).
Human form could be 6 sloted for damage on some powers, using to-hit buffs (tactics) to get extra accuracy.
So, while not a real tanker nor a real blaster, it could be almost as good as one.


I am not saying everything was perfect, because it wasn't. They improved a few stuff (stamina on forms, Cosmic Balance working while on forms...).


But, with GDN/ED, the Kheldians and Peacebringers lost much of their former power, especially solo-wise, and their forms, which gave some benefits but also bringing "locking" onto a specific role while on that form, those forms are now worse then before.
So, they came to a point in which a PBs versatility does not compensate its lack of sheer power.
Yes, they can change between Tanking and Blasting, but they do those roles so badly due to lack of supporting options (pool powers not working on forms, not enough slots....) that a team is basically better off trying to get something else.



I think what I am trying to say is that a "Jack of all trades, Master of none" is only good when they can be reasonably good at all trades.
When they aren't good enough, then they suffer.


I don't think Kheldians need big buffs, but they need a few things.
Like, Nova form might get its on Build Up, or get an extra attack at level 50, or maybe a clickie with some kind of defensive skill.
Maybe Dwarf form should get some extra Status Resists, or Debuff resistances. Maybe it should get higher base res, or higher base damage, or some kind of Aura.
Something.


There's also something that has always bothered me.
Kheldians *want* to be on teams so that they will get benifits from it (Cosmic Balance).
One way to make Kheldians more desired for teams would be if Cosmic Balance also gave some kind of bonus to the other members on the team.
That way, teams might really want Kheldians onboard.

I think the level requirement should be bumped up to 50, then both PB and WS(If it needs it) should be buffed up. The population of PB players is going down because of how underpowered they are compared to other ATs even though they are supposed to be "Epic" Arch Types. That is all I will say.

I'm actually unsure on warshades, myself. They're certainly better off than peacebringers and function much better in-game, but I don't know if I'd agree they are quite the 'power build' that prevailing wisdom tends to cast them as, without doing some calculations first.

A part of the problem with warshades IMO is that the people who play them and make them work that powerfully, are generally well-skilled and knowledgeable, as well as dedicated players who are willing and able to invest a lot of resources into the character.

On the other hand, investing the resources at least does make the warshade improve proportionately. Investing the same resources into a peacebringer tends to have decidedly less impressive results.

Just finished playing with my Peacebringer, since GDN/ED. I hadn't picked him since.
Took him with a scrapper through the Mender Raimiel Arc.

First, I did a respec and rearranged him. I have like 30 HamiOs, so I had like 4 Damage/Range HO on each nova attack (above ED cap, I know, I know) and +2 ACC.
Nova sloted with 3 end mod, 3 to-hit buff.
Dwarf attacks 3 slotted with ACC/DMG HOs, 2 recharge, 1 end.
Heal Sloted with 1 HO Heal/End, 2 Heals, 3 recharge.
Taunt 2 ACC, 2 Taunt, 2 Recharge.
Dwarf 3 Sloted with Damage Res, 3 sloted with End mod.

Stamina with 4 End mod


Really, just a quick, basic build. The other HOs were left out.
Then I took him for the Mender Raimiel Arc, with a Scrapper, who was giving me +10% res, going for 68% res.


Well...what a shock! I was a true pain! I couldn't believe HOW weak it has become.
It's just not that it has become a lot weaker due to not 6 sloting with ACC/Damage, but also it's that ALL other toons went up in Power, due to massive IOs sets and bonuses.
But the PB came all the way down.


Honoree was a challenge, instead of the breeze it was with my other two tankers (one of them soloed Trapdoor, and Both Honoree AND the other dude at the same time.)
But this...this was painful.
Died a few times, due to agro from Rikti, psy-damage, with no defenses. Only my heal and it wasn't enough, clearly.


I am still quite shocked. It has become weaker than I remembered. Or it might be that since our toons got powered-up, the PBs were left behind.
Reminds me of an old relic that was never quite updated!


Black Scorpion, please, take a look a PBs.
Dwarf needs a Taunt Aura, or at least, its taunt to be Auto-hit.
It needs Psy resist, since it has 0 defenses to all.
Dwarf damage is PITIFUL. It's awfull!

Nova needs some kind of defense. It needs BU on it. It needs its base damage to be increased, even 4 sloted with Damge/Range HO, the range was pathetic and the damage....my tanker deals more damage than him.
It's true. My WP/SS tanker, my Ice/Energy Tanker, my Inv/SM tanker, my Fire/Fire tanker all deal more burst damage, and a LOT more Damage Per Second.
A lot more than Nova form.

Please, look at them.
I think I won't allow a PB anytime soon on my teams. Geee........
Sorry guys, I am still shocked!

Yea, peacebringers are kind of depressing when you set them against a crab...

I wish peacebringers were more group friendly.... how about merging all the shield toggles into one toggle (like crabs have) and then replacing the missing powers with group friendly buffs?

Not a toggle like VEAT have, instead a buff more like empaths... something unique, like a couple different proc effect buffs? Like a buff which gives someone else a percent chance for a self heal? Or a proc which summons a mini photon seeker randomly while fighting?

Some people are just plain afraid of change. Others want the 'challenge' of playing an underperforming AT.
Some people say "Oh, well, it performs good enough for me!" And some people just can't see what a cobbled-together, badly designed AT Peacebringers are.

I played my human-form Peacebringer from level 1 to level 50. I did it solo and on teams. I've played through the entire set of level ranges, gone on flashback missions, gone badging...

She's my single favorite character in the game, but her performance sucks. On a team she's a fifth wheel on a four wheeled vehicle, solo she has to go at -1/x0 in order to clear missions in a reasonable amount of time, and this is *with* the Incarnate slot now. Her most valued power is Pulsar, a PBAOE stun that does no damage whatsoever.

Peacebringers do need work, and a lot of it. Some might say "Oh, the Peacebringer is a jack of all trades, it doesn't need to be good at any one thing" To which I reply with the *full* quote: "Jack of all trades, master of none, but often better than a master of one."

That last part is missing in City of Heroes when it comes to Peacebringers.

Quick things that pop out at me: Nova form is 1 to 2 ranged attacks short of having a full attack chain. Dwarf form is one to two melee attacks short of having a full attack chain and does less base damage in melee than any other melee AT. Human form versatility is decent, but again it's several melee attacks short of having a melee attack chain, relying on blasts to cover the gap between recharging Incandescent and Radiant and Solar Flare. It is light on soft control and has no mez resists at all. Supposedly covered by a shift to dwarf, but Dwarf has no mez resist, only mez protection. So if you shift from Dwarf you get mezzed by still running mezzes. And the shift to Dwarf can be interrupted.
The only consistent "role" is damage, and Peacebringers are demonstrably and numerically bad at that.

Maybe I'm missing it (a distinct possibility) but why does a toon have to be the best at something to be fun? So, the PB doesnt out damage a scrapper or blaster, it doesnt out tank a tank. Ok. So? It can't be fun? Maybe they should just delete the option of PBs altogether and make the only options for ATs be Elec/SD scrapper, Fire/MM blaster, Bots/Traps MM, Fire/Dark corruptor, Mind/fire Dom, Ill/Rad troller, Cold/sonic Defender, etc.

WEEEEEEE! Fun!

Good reply.
Yes, somewhere along the way (40s? 50s? IOs?) *everyone* else got better but PBs didn't.
So, if A, B and C get better but D stays the same (or worse, but I'll concede that point), then generally speaking D just got worse.
Remeber: A,B and C evolved, improved, got better. They all did. But D (Peacebringers) didn't get better, they stayed the same.

It's like if you had a group of friends all with Pentium I computers.
But now, they all got a new I7 PC but you and only you didn't get a new one, you got stuck with your Pentium I.
Now, everyone's standards got improved but yours didn't.
Your friends can now play games like Mass Effect, Modern Warfare II, City of Heroes......
but you're stuck with...Pacman. (lol).

That's the issue.
Every AT got better, we expect them to perform to higher levels than before.
But not Peacebringers. We can't do stuff that the game now expects us to.



I don't want my Human-form PB to be a GOD unkillable Hamidon-Solo machine.
I don't want my Nova form to be a uber pwnxor blaster.
I don't want my Dwarf form to be the best tanker in this game and the next.
No, I want my Nova form to be a good enough blaster. I want it to have BENEFITS to counter-balance Nova's lack of defense and utility.
I want my Dwarf for to be a good enough Tanker. I want it to have reasonable BENEFITS to counter-balance Dwarfs lack of damage.


Currently, we have neither.
Is that too much to ask? A *reasonable* change to balance the pros and cons of the forms?
I say *reasonable* so that people don't assume I want uber-mode unlocked.
But I don't want minor, irrelevant buffs that do not deal with the issues Kheldians have.


Again, just to finish, the issues are:
1- the penalties of being in a form are WAY over the top considering the form's benefits.
2- The forms overall "power" is lacking considering their roles.