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Not a thread jack in any shape, form or fashion. Being that they left it open (while most Official Announcements are locked posts) denotes that this is a discussion thread meant to discuss Dr. Aeon's announcement. Not just to nod at it and smile.
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Originally Posted by ransim
Annoyed no.
However this isn't the place for it. This is an announcement for a contest, not an invitation people to gunk up the thread with complaining. Start a thread with your issues, PM Dr. Aeon with your concerns. But its completely off topic and a thread jack. |
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*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Not a thread jack in any shape, form or fashion. Being that they left it open (while most Official Announcements are locked posts) denotes that this is a discussion thread meant to discuss Dr. Aeon's announcement. Not just to nod at it and smile.
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Complaining about general AE problems IS a thread-jack in a thread about a contest. There is some overlap, but honestly, what does it bring to the proceedings?
"Hey guys, let's have a contest..."
"WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX THIS BUG?!"
"...huh?"
Yeah, kind of a non-sequitur.
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Emphasis mine.
Complaining about general AE problems IS a thread-jack in a thread about a contest. There is some overlap, but honestly, what does it bring to the proceedings? "Hey guys, let's have a contest..." "WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX THIS BUG?!" "...huh?" Yeah, kind of a non-sequitur. |
Your simplification takes what's going on out of context; people aren't just blurting out "Fix a bug." and leaving people confused.
I don't even think that's where most of the complaints are.
Most of the issue that I'm seeing pertains to the general handling of MA/AE events and possibly having to axe long standing creations in order to participate.
Anyway, that's besides the point... the issue is that both pros and cons are allowed to be discussed; ie. "We like the contest because..."/"We don't like the contest because...".
It's really just too bad if you wish this discussion to be one-sided.
As I said, if they wanted this just to be an Announcement (without all the pro/con discussion), then they should've treated it just like an Official Announcement and locked the thread.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
Ignore the raging, Dr. Aeon - these contsts are always fun 
I don't actually take part, but I like to play the results 
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The problem there, is Dr Aeon tends to post "in character" and that wouldn't exactly be in character.|
Originally Posted by Dalghryn
Sometimes, it's all in the approach. Had Dr. A said something like...
"Dr. Aeon here! Remember me? Sorry for seeming to be AWOL, folks, but Pratetoria has had us all doing other things. We've been keeping up wither everyone's concerns and are looking in to all sorts of things that'll spice up live here in AE, and make a lot of people happy, but while we're doing that, I thought a contest would be a great way to get people back through the doors. So... Im here today to issue my Third ARCHITECT CHALLENGE! Its been a long time coming, so I hope youre all ready for this one..." |
Heck I think his references to Neuron were meant to subtly imply Praetoria -has- kept him busy, but what do I know.
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Well-stated. The presentation is one of the main things that put me off with this announcement, after months of silence from the man.|
Originally Posted by Dalghryn
Sometimes, it's all in the approach. Had Dr. A said something like...
"Dr. Aeon here! Remember me? Sorry for seeming to be AWOL, folks, but Pratetoria has had us all doing other things. We've been keeping up wither everyone's concerns and are looking in to all sorts of things that'll spice up live here in AE, and make a lot of people happy, but while we're doing that, I thought a contest would be a great way to get people back through the doors. So... I’m here today to issue my Third ARCHITECT CHALLENGE! It’s been a long time coming, so I hope you’re all ready for this one..." I think another contest is hunky dory. I wish I had time to participate. The fact that it's just tossed out there after months of nothing (with not a comment about anything else people have been dicussing in all those other threads someone suggested we should start), tends to be irritating, however. It's presentation makes it look as if they're just trotting out another shiny while ignoring everything else. |
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I agree, Paragon needs to fully utilize the communication channels that they have.
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Your simplification takes what's going on out of context; people aren't just blurting out "Fix a bug." and leaving people confused.
I don't even think that's where most of the complaints are. Most of the issue that I'm seeing pertains to the general handling of MA/AE events and possibly having to axe long standing creations in order to participate. Anyway, that's besides the point... the issue is that both pros and cons are allowed to be discussed; ie. "We like the contest because..."/"We don't like the contest because...". It's really just too bad if you wish this discussion to be one-sided. As I said, if they wanted this just to be an Announcement (without all the pro/con discussion), then they should've treated it just like an Official Announcement and locked the thread. |
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The problem there, is Dr Aeon tends to post "in character" and that wouldn't exactly be in character.
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Anyhow, I've said what I've wanted to say. Hopefully Aeon will address these concerns.
EDIT: What do you know, the Dev Choice Suggestion thread has been restarted by Dr. Aeon.
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Puts it as well as I could. Blasting the first developer interaction we've seen here in quite a while is counterproductive. Not to mention insulting. It assumes the developers have somehow remained totally unaware of everything everybody on this forum wants fixed.|
Originally Posted by PoliceWoman
Personally, I am just glad to see Dr. Aeon initiate something positive for the Mission Architect community.
I sympathize with the people who are annoyed that the issues they want looked at, aren't addressed by this contest. However, I think pouring scorn on this effort is likely to send the wrong message; even if you think it is a pathetic milksop, it is far better than no dev involvement at all. It's like paddling a puppy for bringing your slippers instead of the newspaper. It probably won't get you the newspaper, and will end up making the puppy sad. Granted, an EVIIIIL GENIIIIUS puppy. But still! Don't make the puppy sad! <and snip of other things that I agree with> |
I'm a developer (not really, it's a hypothetical - a 'thought experiment'). I'm in charge of MA. I've been working around the clock to add a bunch of features to MA. I'm a little annoyed they weren't as well documented as I wanted, but it's not like it isn't going to cause me headaches to come here to the forums and start heaping blame for that. In the shuffle, communication with the community has fallen by the wayside, although I've certainly been reading the threads here as much as possible, and making notes of the things the community wants fixed (which also cuts into time I could be making posts, but I've got limited time, and I'd rather spend it working, trying to get things done - after all, I'm not *required* to post of the forums; I've got a huge list of changes to the system I've been working very hard on that all of my bosses are quite aware of as evidence that I haven't been wasting my time).
But you know what? I would like to reopen the lines of communication with the players who have remained loyal to MA on the forums. So how about I reach out to them? Well, one step at a time. We can start with a contest - that'll not only turn interest back toward MA, but also kind sort of act as a test for the waters.
And they bite my head off for it.
Dealing with the forums is not in any way going to shorten the 60+ hour workload I've got this week. Certainly wasn't worth it this time. Maybe I'll try again next year. Sooner or later I'm bound to give it a try at a time where the people there are going to act pleasant. Then it'll be worth it.
Like I said, just a hypothetical. But it's not a thought process I'd want to risk encouraging.
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No, I don't have a chance to get noticed, and neither do some other people it looks like. As for getting the MA noticed...well I do see a lot of people who don't normally post in this section of the forums posting in this thread. A dev post will do that. So, um, why is this the first dev post promoting player-created content in...how long? Is it that hard for a dev to post in, say, the old Player Awards thread? Or PWs contact tree thread? You know, draw some attention to what authors are doing in AE on their own initiative, and maybe help out players who would use AE if the search feature wasn't such a pain? We can post links to these threads until we're blue in the face, nobody cares, but when a dev does it everyone follows. Just look at all the posts from people who don't normally post in the AE forum in this very thread.|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I can't believe this ****.
You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it. |
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Puts it as well as I could. Blasting the first developer interaction we've seen here in quite a while is counterproductive. Not to mention insulting. It assumes the developers have somehow remained totally unaware of everything everybody on this forum wants fixed.
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By the way, now that there is a dev choice suggestion thread again there are a few arcs I'd like to nominate...but can't because the authors already have a dev's choice awarded from one of these contests. So your only chance at getting recognized in a venue for player creativity and expression is to write the story someone else tells you to? Now that's insulting.
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
I'm so sick of watching people trickle in after every redname post to... and moan because they think they have a higher chance of being heard no matter what the current discussion was supposed to be about. It utterly ruins whatever chance at conversation the thread was intended for from happening, and gives the impression that the person whining is so full of themselves that they've decided their current feelings are more important than what anyone else was trying to discuss.
It's as if I walked into a random conversation and started... about my love-life, fully expecting console from everyone I've projected myself upon. It's rude, it's self-centered, and yet an unfathomable number of you feels completely okay with doing it. I'm not sure if you're just socially inept or mentally handicapped, but it needs to stop.
If you want to... about AE, go make YET ANOTHER topic about it, and post in it instead of here so I can ignore you like I'm usually able to do, and not have to get irritated with seeing your whining in a thread that wasn't supposed to be about you. Stop trying to justify your complaints by claiming to have some nameless other you are representing. If they want to... about AE, they can go do it with you in a topic you make that is specifically about that.
Stop hi-jacking every single thread you touch with your incessant feelings.
Do I just have a really weird venom sensor, or does this thread's '...'ing seem really low-key?
I don't remember saying '**** you, Aeon,' I said 'No thanks.' As did the person I quoted. In fact, the first person I felt leaping to an emotional invective was Fred (who, incidentally, I think has a perfectly legitimate point and was completely merited in his reaction).
It's not unreasonable to discuss our reaction to this here. And as far as I can see, the '...'ing that's going on is barely qualified as '...'ing. I would even call it '..'ing. Possibly '.'ing.
This contest is exactly what AE needs... In fact I wish there were MORE maybe even with lesser rewards just to stimulate the interest level.
The mission design tools of course need some love. Really don't even get me started. Having to rewrite your story and make concessions right and left are just the way things are right now. We all want a better and less buggy tool not to mention more ARC slots obviously.
But there is a time and place for everything. Attacking Doc here while the man's trying to hold a contest and do something positive just seem very unecessary. I'm sure he's aware of the problems. A contest thread is not the place to vent it out.
My only complaint is what Doc is asking for doesn't seem very specific. I mean I get the overall idea it's just a bit conviluded. Still giving it a stab on what I 'think' he's asking for here. Going to really suck though if my story got disqualified for not understanding what's being asked for.
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Still not understanding why a contest that's conducted totally within an imaginary world and rewards prizes that are contained within that world and have zero real-world monetary value trigger the need for these restrictions, but I don't make the rules.
Good luck to those who participate. If you'd be so kind, Dr Aeon, would you please post the entries in this thread, or in another at the conclusion of the contest, so we who are so inclined can play them? Too many junk arcs to weed through to find the good ones.
Loose --> not tight.
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This is about a contest, not about the 'State of Mission Architect', no matter how many people try to thread jack it in that direction.
There's better ways to complain about something you enjoy than forcing every thread that has MA or AE in the title to revolve around your concerns.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
It could be equally said, "It's also sad when people think that complaining about people complaining about topic B in a thread about topic A is 'constructive.'"
The conversation about why some people are not happy with the idea of another contest, or at least another contest by itself, is also "about a contest." It's simply not about the contest in the same way you think it should be about the contest.
If the Good Doctor had meant it to be just an announcement, it could have been locked, or he could have specifically said, "Please post contest entries only," or "Please, only positive comments," or some such. He didn't, which suggests not only positive comments are okay, but constructive ones are as well.
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Such as what? Can you provide us with some constructive examples?
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
There's better ways to complain about something....
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Why is this worth saying? You can't post here if you're not a paying costumer.|
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
I'm a paying customer.
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
Courteously offering a list of complaints that I have about a service that I'm paying for is not whining.
For those of you that are tired of reading forum posts complaining about the MA I can only say: I'm not going to apologize if you're annoyed by people who don't agree with you that everything is Happy Happy Joy Joy with the MA. |
That very same right you have to offer constructive criticism applies to people who decide to criticize you, after all. This is a public forum. Or are you just annoyed that people arent up in arms and screaming for your list of demands to be met?
Because thats exactly what it reads as.
In other words Courteously disagreeing with a post made on a public post that were all all obviously paying for due to the simple fact were posting here is not complaining.
Anyway, irrelevant whi- er.. "constructive complaints" aside, Im definitely taking a stab at this one, if I can get a story I like together for it, anyway.
I have to admit, it would be nice if we had the option of simply emailing in the submissions for these kinds of contests. I get the feeling part of the incentive for doing this might be to bring out a slew of new missions for players to play, however.
Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
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I might Enter this one since I got an AE Arc with a Mutant trying To fight his Dark Side and Something goes wrong and you have this Dark and Light Conflicts.
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Looking back, I see I didn't specify this. If anyone is interested, the arc I have (maybe) entered is "Splintered Shields", #253991. It has a sequel, "The Christmas We Get" #356477 that sort of fits as well but I thought the first one made a better entry.
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Wrote it specifically for the contest. Think it came out pretty good and hope you guys enjoy.
It's a real, unbelievably long stretch. But 'Your Blue Collar Nemesis' (Arc ID: 455005) may possibly qualify as it does include a quote-unquote "hero" that may quote-unquote "fall"
Even if it's not the PC.
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Out of the country with no internet for a month only to find this.
Regardless I do find this contest to be interesting, and will see if I can really write and polish an arc from now till the deadline. Good luck to everyone entering, and if the previous comps were anything to go by we should expect a few real gems appearing as well.
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I will say that I'm pleased to see the Aeon Challenge advertised in the email about this Reactivation Weekend. If I recall the last two challenges didn't even get that much promotion.
I have a suggestion. Add a link to the contest within the game's updater. It was something done for PvPEC's big League tournament this year that was a pleasant surprise that surely helped them gain a little attention that they wouldn't have gotten just through the forums. Furthermore, the GMOTD should be used for spreading news and events to people in-game.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars