Dr. Aeon's Third Architect Challenge!


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Dr. Aeon,

I have to agree with some of the other negative posters here. I understand that you're trying to improve and increase traffic to/in the AE, but I believe that the AE and its customers would be better served by your taking a number of other actions instead.

1) Running a script to delete the copious amount of plainly titled farm arcs.

2) Look through and fix the DC arcs that your previous patches have broken.

3) Lower the number of plays necessary to get into the Hall of Fame, and once there, have the arc remain locked in the HoF for a minimum amount of time so as to prevent griefers from bouncing it right back out.

4) STOP BREAKING ARCS every time you guys patch the AE to fix yet another one of the exploits that we warned you about in beta but you refused to listen to us and fix back then.

While I do have a free AE slot, I also will not be entering this contest. I am not interested in participating in this until the devs listen to us and start fixing the AE the way we've been asking you to since it first went live.

Take care doctor.

- Peregrine Falcon

AE is a great tool but it's just not for me anymore. Many reasons are noted above.

I filled my slots with story driven arcs but each patch breaks them. I can't be bothered fixing them until the next patch.

I really think the devs have let this feature deteriorate and it shows. AE is full of rubbish missions and farms. Also some of the highly played or highly rated ones are junk as well - no doubt 'PLed' to that status. My opinion here, of course.

So, what could motivate people to partake in such a contest? Have the same contest and the top 10 submissions are turned into radio or newspaper missions. That's it. That's the prize (oh, and freeing up that AE slot too). The regular radio/paper missions are the definition of quantity over quality so why not allow some carefully crafted submissions get into the game. These types of 'promises' were made a while ago when we were told some of our stories may become canon.

I think if you did this contest every 6 months then you would get some huge interest in AE. 5 paper missions and 5 radios every 6 months. How about it?


 

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So, what could motivate people to partake in such a contest? Have the same contest and the top 10 submissions are turned into radio or newspaper missions. That's it. That's the prize (oh, and freeing up that AE slot too). The regular radio/paper missions are the definition of quantity over quality so why not allow some carefully crafted submissions get into the game. These types of 'promises' were made a while ago when we were told some of our stories may become canon.

I think if you did this contest every 6 months then you would get some huge interest in AE. 5 paper missions and 5 radios every 6 months. How about it?
Alternately, if you want to add new contacts at the various levels, take the winners' arcs and use them for the new contacts' missions. To expand on the awards thing from HeroCon 2009, create certain categories for us to compete in (by faction, by zone, by level, etc). Instead of making them Devs' Choice, put them in the game. It's not much of a stretch to say that a LOT of us can write arcs better than the 'filler' missions for several contacts (the ones you do between arcs).

Just a thought...

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Wow, it took exactly two posts for this to turn into another whiney **** thread.

So much for fun ideas.


 

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Alternately, if you want to add new contacts at the various levels, take the winners' arcs and use them for the new contacts' missions. To expand on the awards thing from HeroCon 2009, create certain categories for us to compete in (by faction, by zone, by level, etc). Instead of making them Devs' Choice, put them in the game. It's not much of a stretch to say that a LOT of us can write arcs better than the 'filler' missions for several contacts (the ones you do between arcs).

Just a thought...

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While I love the idea, that would mean I couldn't run those arcs for tasty tasty tickets and would have to use the disliked standard rewards.


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I can't believe this ****.

You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.

I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.

Love you guys but cheer up.


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Greetings, Architects!

Dr. Aeon here! Remember me? The brilliant scientist in Cap au Diable? Much more brilliant than that “Praetor Berry” in Praetoria. I mean, really, who is going to put their trust in a guy named Berry? I know I wouldn’t, but that’s just me making an informed decision.

Anyway, to the point! I’m here today to issue my Third ARCHITECT CHALLENGE! It’s been a long time coming, so I hope you’re all ready for this one!

The challenge is to write and design an arc revolving around heroes falling from grace or villains redeeming themselves.

The sky is the limit on this one, folks! As you can tell, the focus here is on GOING ROGUE, so feel free to rogue it up (or vigilante it up) as much as you want! Since I’m feeling generous, I’ll give you all one of Dr. Aeon’s patented hints. The story doesn’t necessarily need to have the hero falling all the way to villainy and vice versa, and it could even be the story focusing around the player’s own shift of alignments, similar to the Going Rogue system!

Now, down to the details, and I am a man who prides himself on knowing the details on things (ever since the accident). The contest starts NOW. When you think your arc is gritty, heroic, or plain good enough, send an e-mail to AECommunityContest@ncsoft.com with the following in the subject line: @Global Name – Arc ID – Arc Name. The final day for submissions will be on October 20th, 2010. You can only submit your own arcs, I am a man who does not respond to shy people! Though, I wouldn’t really know if I do, since shy people don’t try to speak with me.

Winners will be announced no later than Wednesday, November 3, 2010.

The grand prize winner will receive a Dev Choice for their arc and a permanent yellow title.

Sound good to everyone? Eh? This is much better than anything those stupid scientists in Praetoria could come up with, I’ll tell you that much. Anyway, good luck to everyone entering the contest!

-Dr. Aeon

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I can't believe this ****.

You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.

I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.

Love you guys but cheer up.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
I can't believe this ****.

You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.

I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.

Love you guys but cheer up.
Love it, I hope you do win.


 

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I'm not sure if I'll be doing this one but it did get me thinking about the playerbase niches and how competitions/contests, like this one, could go a long way in keeping the players interested in CoX; overall.

We have:

The Base Builders (that kind of got slighted with the slowdown/stop of the Community Digest) - CoX would do good to follow the direction of a few of the social app games and have a monthly/quarterly Base Design contest.

PvPers - More regularly scheduled Dev sponsored events (in addition to player events) once the mechanics get to where they need to be.

TF/STFers - More regularly scheduled Dev sponsored events (in addition to player events); Fastest Time Completion, Most Kills, Least Deaths, etc (tracked like Flashback Trials are)

MA Authoring - A more regular schedule for Dr. Aeon's theme-based MA authoring events as well as events to cover CoX's major holiday cycles (Xmas, Spring Fling, Halloween, New Years plus any they themselves aren't covering) ***but beyond that, MA Author/Illustrators should be able to get recognition not only for their stories but for their Custom Enemy Groups as well (design, back-story, power selection, dialogue, etc)

Fan Artists/Writers/Videographers - Periodic contests tied into a CoX backed Fan Page; listing all the top entries from these contests.

Action Screenshot/Screen Capture of the ________

Dev backed costume contests (in-game)


Bringing back the forum games (Spot the Shot, Captions, Save the World) and expanding it to FB and Twitter (at the very least through a link back to the forum article)

***The Dev/Marketing Team did well in pushing GR through these channels but they need to be consistent in pushing all PR info through these channels***


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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
I can't believe this ****.

You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.

I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.

Love you guys but cheer up.
Gotta say I agree completely with Fred here. I can't count the number of times I've (literally) seen the phrase "and when was the last time Dr. Aeon even did an Architect Challenge?" pop up here.

So he gives us an Architect Challenge, and BAM! "How DARE you give us an Architect Challenge! What a crock!"

Sigh.


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I know for a fact that at least one of the people complaining about this challenge did not, in fact, at any point, call for a Doc Aeon challenge.

It's only hipocrisy if the same people spout the two different ideas.


 

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Gotta say I agree completely with Fred here. I can't count the number of times I've (literally) seen the phrase "and when was the last time Dr. Aeon even did an Architect Challenge?" pop up here.

So he gives us an Architect Challenge, and BAM! "How DARE you give us an Architect Challenge! What a crock!"
Of all the things that have been asked for in MA, another Aeon Challenge was no anywhere near the top of the list. You must be hanging out in a different MA forum than the rest of us.

You know how the Devs operate, if they are not frequently reminded of issues they tend to forget more and more about them over time until they take a lack of complaints as a sign that it's not an issue anymore. Sorry if some of us feel slighted when long-existing issues are ignored for another round of bread and circuses.


 

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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
I can't believe this ****.

You guys (you know who you are) whine and complain about being ignored for months on end and then when you have a chance to get noticed, and most of all to have the MA get noticed by the rest of the players, you still don't like it.

I'm gonna enter this sucker and I'm gonna win because all my competition will be complaining and whining.

Love you guys but cheer up.
>_>

<_<

It scares me that I had the same exact idea.

Honestly I don't get the whining, I still use AE, a lot actually. Its one of the best tools available for driving SG storyline content I no longer have to force my stories to fit into existing missions/content. If I want a in game encounter to go with a major storyline I can do that!

So while I don't often write long story arcs, I use it constantly for one/two story arcs tied to a larger storyline.

I'm not sure there is much the devs can do about the farm junk because the best they could do would be to wipe everything. And then people would just whine about having to republish or having lost their rating.

Its a situation they can't win at.

So... tl;dr I'm going to take some of my precious lacking time and write a cool arc.


 

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If the MA is ignored, it's ignored, but if it gets any attention it's suddenly bread and circuses.

Of course we want them to fix all the issues we're having.

Of course /they/ want to do something about it.

Can they do everything at once? No they can't.

Do they have priorities that don't include the now mostly working as intended MA? Almost certainly. (Working as intended meaning it's not riddled with exploits and causing all kinds of trouble.)

Will another Aeon Contest solve the problems we're having? Probably not, but if enough people participate and it gets advertised even a little bit on the other parts of the forums it might make some people that don't play in the MA now to check it out. And when the MA gets enough people playing in it the devs will have more reason to do something about the other problems.

The solution is never to quit using whatever it is that is causing problems. Look at pvp. Many PvPers stopped using it because they didn't like the new rules. There is now even less reason for the devs to ever do anything about it ever again.

The real solution is to get as many people as possible to use the MA so that their voices are added to our own when it comes to stuff that we want fixed. For a positive example, check out Nakayama's art threads. Everyone has an opinion about the art in the game, and especially the costume pieces, so when he asks for input from the players he gets 100s of pages of replies. If everyone had an opinon on the MA and a thread from Aeon asking what needed to be fixed first got 100s of pages of replies (that weren't all from the same five people)... well, it would be a miracle to begin with, but then the devs would have a reason to do something about it.

They can never make everyone happy but they want to make most of the people happy. Don't give up on it, make more people use it (somehow) and it will get attention. The devs could help with more rumor control ("yes, you do get rewards in the MA") and better advertisement and actually poking a stick at some of the most player-unfriendly problems we have right now - the things that are actively making players turn away from the MA buildings. It's still very much up to us. Don't let the MA go the way of PvP.


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Since I've been out of arc slots for months and can't enter, good luck to those that do.
I feel the need to clarify that the above statement was not intended to be negative. I am disappointed that I'm out of arc slots and therefore unable to participate in the challenge.

WN


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If the MA is ignored, it's ignored, but if it gets any attention it's suddenly bread and circuses.
No, not all attention given to MA is bread and circuses, but distractions like this Aeon Challenge are when it acts as if "everything is fine and good, now go write me the kind of arcs I want to see."

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Of course we want them to fix all the issues we're having.
And acting complacent is not an effective way to get something addressed. Did you forget that we are their customers, after all?

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Of course /they/ want to do something about it.
So where is the rumor control about rewards in AE? Why was the Designated Helper hardly mentioned in the GR release notes? Why was the long-awaited fix to the Back/Middle glowie locations left out of the patch notes entirely? Why have Kinetic Attack and Electric Control not been added to AE critters yet over a month after GR's release when Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols were added immediately upon their release to the pre-purchase customers?

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Can they do everything at once? No they can't.
No, but apparently doing nothing at all is not any more encouraging.

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Will another Aeon Contest solve the problems we're having? Probably not, but if enough people participate and it gets advertised even a little bit on the other parts of the forums it might make some people that don't play in the MA now to check it out. And when the MA gets enough people playing in it the devs will have more reason to do something about the other problems.
How 'bout some contests that don't involve "you must have an open arc slot (or one you can sacrifice) and write only the type of arc that we want you to write"?

Are we not getting an Architect Awards this year? They never confirm or deny that and seeing that Aeon's contest ends in November is not a good sign about that.

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The solution is never to quit using whatever it is that is causing problems. Look at pvp. Many PvPers stopped using it because they didn't like the new rules. There is now even less reason for the devs to ever do anything about it ever again.
Who said anything about quitting MA over this contest? Those who have complained only said that they weren't participating in the contest itself.

However if the neglect that is being complained about continues then that may very well change.

Nor can you really compare this to the PvP situation, where an entire section of the playerbase had the rug literally pulled out from under them and a mile long list of suggestions for improving PvP utterly ignored.

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For a positive example, check out Nakayama's art threads. Everyone has an opinion about the art in the game, and especially the costume pieces, so when he asks for input from the players he gets 100s of pages of replies. If everyone had an opinon on the MA and a thread from Aeon asking what needed to be fixed first got 100s of pages of replies (that weren't all from the same five people)... well, it would be a miracle to begin with, but then the devs would have a reason to do something about it.
That gets so many views and replies because art is universal and used everywhere in the game. Of course it's going to get more attention.

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The devs could help with more rumor control ("yes, you do get rewards in the MA") and better advertisement
Which they are not bothering to. Not even the Designated Helper, that fixed the horrendous ally XP nerf, got any advertisement aside from what I and other players have given it. That should have been something for Aeon to announce and talk about himself right when i18 went live, rather than waiting for a player to do that job for him.

Still no answers on the Hall of Fame issues that Wrong_Number has been presenting for months, or on why the Dev Choice nomination thread was deleted and never restored after the MA forums merge. Some Dev discourse on those matters would go a long way.


 

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The only whining I see here is from the people failing to address the legitimate complaints brought up by long time MA users. I agree with Lazarus first post 10,000%. If the devs really want to help out MA, any of the things that Peregrin Falcon listed in their post would be far more effective than running this contest. At the very least, they could offer people the opportunity to buy more MA slots so that those players who haven’t had the luck of getting a DC will be able to participate without having to kill off an existing well-established arc.


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Personally, I am just glad to see Dr. Aeon initiate something positive for the Mission Architect community.

I sympathize with the people who are annoyed that the issues they want looked at, aren't addressed by this contest. However, I think pouring scorn on this effort is likely to send the wrong message; even if you think it is a pathetic milksop, it is far better than no dev involvement at all. It's like paddling a puppy for bringing your slippers instead of the newspaper. It probably won't get you the newspaper, and will end up making the puppy sad. Granted, an EVIIIIL GENIIIIUS puppy. But still! Don't make the puppy sad!

That said, I hope that this is only the start of more Mission Architect activity from Dr. Aeon and the staff of CoH, and I do hope that more will be forthcoming.

I'm also going to try to participate in this contest (time willing). I also am fully loaded on arc slots, but I don't plan to let that stop me.


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I'm a paying customer. Courteously offering a list of complaints that I have about a service that I'm paying for is not whining.

For those of you that are tired of reading forum posts complaining about the MA I can only say: I'm not going to apologize if you're annoyed by people who don't agree with you that everything is Happy Happy Joy Joy with the MA.


 

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Dr. Aeon,

1) Running a script to delete the copious amount of plainly titled farm arcs.

2) Look through and fix the DC arcs that your previous patches have broken.
...

- Peregrine Falcon

I'm curious how would they do these two.

Sure 'running a script' sounds easy but what does the script check for? Bad names/misspellings? A certain map? Certain mobs?

I mean they haven't been able to give beta players 9999 AE tickets using a script/whatever when there is a closed beta going on and that seems "easier" to me than going through Lord knows how many AE arcs there are in the system trying to delete the "farming" ones.

Besides, who touches AE now anyways? I'm guessing the small group of AE authors (more power to them) and the ones just farming x for y reward (whether that be for AE tickets or just xp or both).


And then with #2....I don't see that happening any time soon; why would the devs fix the AE arcs (content) that they didn't create? They are fixing the bugs as they can...I don't think you'd want a dev fixing AE arcs because what if they fix it but now the arc/mission doesn't flow exactly like the author wanted? Now there would be even more 'nerd rage' as it were.

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I'd love to participate, in fact my only published arc might fit the bill but not really interested in all the legalese.

I'd much rather if the Devs did what they had said in the past and search/note one Dev's Choice or more per month, preferably with internal help of those not engaged on live server play.

Happy for the contest, best of luck to those that participate.


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I'm a paying customer. Courteously offering a list of complaints that I have about a service that I'm paying for is not whining.

For those of you that are tired of reading forum posts complaining about the MA I can only say: I'm not going to apologize if you're annoyed by people who don't agree with you that everything is Happy Happy Joy Joy with the MA.
Annoyed no.

However this isn't the place for it. This is an announcement for a contest, not an invitation people to gunk up the thread with complaining.

Start a thread with your issues, PM Dr. Aeon with your concerns. But its completely off topic and a thread jack.


 

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Personally, I am just glad to see Dr. Aeon initiate something positive for the Mission Architect community.

I sympathize with the people who are annoyed that the issues they want looked at, aren't addressed by this contest. However, I think pouring scorn on this effort is likely to send the wrong message; even if you think it is a pathetic milksop, it is far better than no dev involvement at all.
This is exactly what I was wanting to say yesterday but didn't have the time to post about in detail. Yeah, there's a lot of problems with the AE/MA system, some lack of involvement or feedback from the devs on what will happen with the AE system - but this is at least something we can work on.

Besides of which, it is not as if we didn't get anything in the MA. We got new Doppelganger details, the Designated Helper system (for better or worse), changes/updates to the XP weighting for mobs (so a fix for the XP nerf). So it's not like there's been NOTHING. But yeah, meeting the next AE Challenge with scorn and rotten tomatoes is more likely to dissuade future events than to encourage the devs to create new, different, or better ones.

For those who have filled up your arc slots, can we maybe get some of you to volunteer for review threads or assistance on building new arcs? Get the word out to your SG mates and VG cohorts that there's room for fresh blood in the AE community.


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*raises hand*

I have a suggestion. Add a link to the contest within the game's updater. It was something done for PvPEC's big League tournament this year that was a pleasant surprise that surely helped them gain a little attention that they wouldn't have gotten just through the forums. Furthermore, the GMOTD should be used for spreading news and events to people in-game.


 

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Sometimes, it's all in the approach. Had Dr. A said something like...

"Dr. Aeon here! Remember me? Sorry for seeming to be AWOL, folks, but Pratetoria has had us all doing other things. We've been keeping up wither everyone's concerns and are looking in to all sorts of things that'll spice up life here in AE, and make a lot of people happy, but while we're doing that, I thought a contest would be a great way to get people back through the doors. So... I’m here today to issue my Third ARCHITECT CHALLENGE! It’s been a long time coming, so I hope you’re all ready for this one..."

I think another contest is hunky dory. I wish I had time to participate. The fact that it's just tossed out there after months of nothing (with not a comment about anything else people have been dicussing in all those other threads someone suggested we should start), tends to be irritating, however. It's presentation makes it look as if they're just trotting out another shiny while ignoring everything else.


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