The Single Most Damaging Attack
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Airhammer,
Posted on: 2010-09-07 13:46 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Does beta testing count? Then I vote for "Touch of Lady Gray: Chance to One-Shot"
When the game is forced to display the damage in scientific notation, you know you've won.
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That and the Steel Canyon Fire both outdo 'The I Win Button', which according to The Tomax power quantification does 11 ticks of 4284 damage.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Does beta testing count? Then I vote for "Touch of Lady Gray: Chance to One-Shot"
When the game is forced to display the damage in scientific notation, you know you've won. |
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City of Data is wrong: that is a mistranslation of the power. Actually, the I Win Button does damage in a manner comparable to the Steel Canyon buildings because its damage is a Cur not an Abs (game mechanical wizards will know what I mean by that). The I Win Button is actually designed to deal 4283.6 times the target's health per tick for eleven ticks. That's far more than the Steel Canyon buildings, but its something players should essentially never see, since that power is never supposed to be used around players.
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Originally Posted by Krogoth
That and the Steel Canyon Fire both outdo 'The I Win Button', which according to The Tomax power quantification does 11 ticks of 4284 damage.
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Headsplitter does a base of 162.66 damage at level 50; *5 for damage cap, *2 for critical = 1626.6 damage.|
Originally Posted by CyberKnight7
I though it was Headbreaker or some such, a Scrapper attack.
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Greater Fire Sword does base 142.64 damage, and the DoT doesn't critical. It would deal 1426.4 damage on a critical, plus 312.75 DoT, for a total of 1739.15 at the damage cap if all DoT ticks happen.
Both are less than the Assassin's Strike normal critical of 1946.4 (at the damage cap).
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
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Originally Posted by Brillig
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My moms old giant wooden spoon will out dps anything you guys are talking about. That thing would Crit every time it hit me as a kid. It was a melee ranged attack all wrapped in one that also had KB and stun effect.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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Translation: it's treated as a multiplier rather than a literal value.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
[...] because its damage is a Cur not an Abs (game mechanical wizards will know what I mean by that).
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
[...] but its something players should essentially never see, since that power is never supposed to be used around players.
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I think I still see double critical every once a while. How does it happen again?
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
From Hidden with as much +dmg as possible: Build up > Placate > Double Assassin's Strike.
I don't believe they've fixed that bug but if you use Placate while hidden, there's a 10% chance for base AS dmg x2 + assassination bonus damage. Probably not the most damaging but putting it on the table  |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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I'm honestly not sure. I've been playing a spines stalker lately (and before that, I was playing my brutes) and he doesn't always start with AS...definitely doesn't use placate with it...so can't quite remember exactly.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I think I still see double critical every once a while. How does it happen again?
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More precisely, Cur modifiers alter the target's attribute by a percentage of maximum. "Abs 10.0" means "deduct 10 points of damage from the target. "Cur 10.0" means "reduce the target's health by 1000%."
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Translation: it's treated as a multiplier rather than a literal value.
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My guess is that its a weird race condition on the hidden meter that sometimes allows both criticals to go off (the hidden state should only ever be set to zero or one, which means only one of those criticals should go off, ever. But its possible the meter is in a funny state under those conditions for a brief instant and allows both to go off. this could happen if, for example, the meter was actually momentarily set to 0.5 as the assassin's strike went off, or if it was changing state from zero to one at the precise moment the assassin's strike power was processed).
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I think I still see double critical every once a while. How does it happen again?
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Oh I see. I wasn't sure if it was actually "double" Assassin Strike damage or just the text appeared twice. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
My guess is that its a weird race condition on the hidden meter that sometimes allows both criticals to go off (the hidden state should only ever be set to zero or one, which means only one of those criticals should go off, ever. But its possible the meter is in a funny state under those conditions for a brief instant and allows both to go off. this could happen if, for example, the meter was actually momentarily set to 0.5 as the assassin's strike went off, or if it was changing state from zero to one at the precise moment the assassin's strike power was processed).
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I remember I used to see double critical when I use Placate and hit. I know that is double critical damage for sure as it used to appear in the combat log. I did a little test on that.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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It shows up in the combat log for Assassin's Strike when it goes off as well - see below:|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Oh I see. I wasn't sure if it was actually "double" Assassin Strike damage or just the text appeared twice.
I remember I used to see double critical when I use Placate and hit. I know that is double critical damage for sure as it used to appear in the combat log. I did a little test on that. |
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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I double you with my Mother's shoe. High heel that would crit from range with a stinging dot. She could do 2 in a row if the 1st ever failed.
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Originally Posted by plainguy
My moms old giant wooden spoon will out dps anything you guys are talking about. That thing would Crit every time it hit me as a kid. It was a melee ranged attack all wrapped in one that also had KB and stun effect.
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And that assumes a +0 enemy at level 50, correct?|
Originally Posted by Siolfir
Both are less than the Assassin's Strike normal critical of 1946.4 (at the damage cap).
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What would the largest possible single orange number that could be generated by a player power?
Level 50 stalker against a -res debuffed level 1 enemy?
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24 times higher than the numbers quoted in the thread (x4 for the resistance floor, and x6 for the maximum combat modifier difference of -49 between player and critter).
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Originally Posted by Eek a Mouse
And that assumes a +0 enemy at level 50, correct?
What would the largest possible single orange number that could be generated by a player power? Level 50 stalker against a -res debuffed level 1 enemy? |
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It's not that simple. Most of the big-damage attacks listed have multiple ticks. This is fine for doing high damage, but not so great for making big orange numbers.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
24 times higher than the numbers quoted in the thread (x4 for the resistance floor, and x6 for the maximum combat modifier difference of -49 between player and critter).
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250.25 at level 50 is the critical portion of Assassin's Strike; it's scale 4.5 damage in a single tick. As far as I know, that's the highest single tick of damage that a player power will get.|
Originally Posted by Katie V
It's not that simple. Most of the big-damage attacks listed have multiple ticks. This is fine for doing high damage, but not so great for making big orange numbers.
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At the Stalker damage cap (500%), with the mob at the -resistance cap (-300%), it will do 5005 damage (250.25 * 5 * 4) against an even con mob, and 30030 damage after the *6 for being +49 against a level 1. So, 30030 is likely to be the largest single orange number you can do.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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It does for stalkers while hidden. You can crit the whole mob, still be hidden sometimes, and then hit Thunderstrike, crit a bunch more, and then placate and AS a boss or something. Electric on stalkers is awesome.|
Originally Posted by Kidou
Lightning rod can't crit.
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Originally Posted by plainguy
My moms old giant wooden spoon will out dps anything you guys are talking about. That thing would Crit every time it hit me as a kid. It was a melee ranged attack all wrapped in one that also had KB and stun effect.
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@Joshua.
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Lightning Rod does not crit. It summons a Pseudo-pet that does damage to the location its summoned. The pseudo-pet has no idea if you're hidden or not so no, it does not crit.|
Originally Posted by Forefinger_
It does for stalkers while hidden. You can crit the whole mob, still be hidden sometimes, and then hit Thunderstrike, crit a bunch more, and then placate and AS a boss or something. Electric on stalkers is awesome.
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Since you're summoning a pet and not directly damaging anything, using that attack will not unhide you.
True, Electrical Melee is awesome on Stalkers, but not because LR can crit (because it doesn't).
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Lighting Rod summons a pseudo-pet to do its damage. The pet isnt coded to crit. It doesn't crit. Because it uses a pet, it doesn't take you out of hide.|
Originally Posted by Forefinger_
It does for stalkers while hidden. You can crit the whole mob, still be hidden sometimes, and then hit Thunderstrike, crit a bunch more, and then placate and AS a boss or something. Electric on stalkers is awesome.
I'm very impressed with my DPS when spanking my son with the wooden spoon. It also has a +Fear inherent for all attacks. |
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does the buggy double AS damage from placating while hidden stack in the one number or show up as a second number?
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
250.25 at level 50 is the critical portion of Assassin's Strike; it's scale 4.5 damage in a single tick. As far as I know, that's the highest single tick of damage that a player power will get.
At the Stalker damage cap (500%), with the mob at the -resistance cap (-300%), it will do 5005 damage (250.25 * 5 * 4) against an even con mob, and 30030 damage after the *6 for being +49 against a level 1. So, 30030 is likely to be the largest single orange number you can do. |
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