Both the new sets are so disappointing
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Posted on: 2010-09-01 12:04 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Its the attacks that build more domination than the control powers.Electric is an excellent set that I enjoyed a lot on test. I am going to start leveling some Doms and Controllers as soon as I finish moving one last villain to rogue status
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I also have an elec/elec/mu dom, and couldn't care less about no domination sleep, although the no domination on confuse....confuses me. Seeds of confusion from plant/ always worked. but anyway, the fact that you can get 4 pets on the go totally makes up for it.
I hear ya on the CS crit thing though, I was disappoint. But I still love my stalker, CS still hits like a ton of bricks. I haven't tried it yet, but I think you can slot a Force Feedback: chance for +recharge in the T1 attack (quick strike), and that might help.
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And it has a 20% chance in or out of hide to instantly recharge Build Up when it hits.
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
CS still hits like a ton of bricks.
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Does the crit% increase from teaming affect it, do you know?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
And it has a 20% chance in or out of hide to instantly recharge Build Up when it hits.
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Speaking as Dominator Jesus, you are one of the goats.
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Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now.
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In my experience, it doesn't seem to.|
Originally Posted by beyeajus
Does the crit% increase from teaming affect it, do you know?
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That said, I actually prefere CS's recharge Build Up on a crit, more than what would have likely happened if they didn't go that route was do the Total Focus...only part crit.
So far, haven't gotten more than 3 straight crits on CS...but when that happens, that's a lot of time spent in BU
Haven't bothered stacking it though, figuring it's better to use an attack than waste BU time on another BU animation.
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This is true. Mind you it's also true for Earth Dominators.|
Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now.
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You tend to get controller levels of mez duration as compensation though.
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It's not too bad on Earth, at least one of their two main "every spawn" controls - Stalagmites - benefits from Domination.|
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
This is true. Mind you it's also true for Earth Dominators.
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Ice though has it really bad. In terms of stuff you'd actually want to take, only your ST hold, and your "oh crap" AoE hold get anything from dom
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Oddly enough the three domis I have are Earth, Ice and now Elec |
Originally Posted by PhroX
It's not too bad on Earth, at least one of their two main "every spawn" controls - Stalagmites - benefits from Domination.
Ice though has it really bad. In terms of stuff you'd actually want to take, only your ST hold, and your "oh crap" AoE hold get anything from dom |
Domination is still epic regardless. You get a free Blue Bar, Mez protection and a single target hold which you can now use to cherry pick bosses out of the fight. (ok it'll never be as epic looking as a Domination Stalagmites but few things in the game are really).
Does the initial shot of the Elec chain confuse work with Domination. It technically could/should, which lets you at least get something out of it by targetting the boss initially.
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Oh yeah, Dom is great anyway, but it's still annoying. I know it's only supposed to affect controls, but how about having it doubling (or even boosting by 50%) the -rech in Shiver and AA, as well as actually affecting the Confuse in the latter. It wouldn't make a huge difference in normal play, due to the amount of -rech Ice can stack anyway, but it'd make a nice boost against things like AVs who resist debuffs so much that you need ridiculous amounts.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Oddly enough the three domis I have are Earth, Ice and now Elec
Domination is still epic regardless. You get a free Blue Bar, Mez protection and a single target hold which you can now use to cherry pick bosses out of the fight. (ok it'll never be as epic looking as a Domination Stalagmites but few things in the game are really). |
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That's an interesting claim to fame Talen
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Speaking as Dominator Jesus, you are one of the goats.
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It's not like I can say something like 'Oh, don't be a silly twit,' now, can I?
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
That's an interesting claim to fame Talen
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I don't see why you shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
It's not like I can say something like 'Oh, don't be a silly twit,' now, can I?
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Last I checked, nothing altered the chance to crit on CS: not hide, and not the teaming bonus. It was a flat 20% always.|
Originally Posted by beyeajus
Does the crit% increase from teaming affect it, do you know?
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That's still pretty good, though.
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Both of my Kin/DA Stalker and Elec/Earth Dom are in 20s. |
Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
So I roll up a kin/elec stalker. What do I find out? That Concentrated Strike doesn't automatically work out of hide. Going to have to delete my stalker now.
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now. |
However, Kin Stalker is very very decent at the moment. It has good ST attacks and one very high damaging pbaoe. This is what most Stalker sets should be like, at least ONE aoe IMO. I give Kin Stalker set a solid "B+" so far. I can't give it "A" because Kin set has Build Up. Yes, I know Build UP works better with Stalker's game-play but I feel like every solution to Stalker's set is take out AoE and add Build Up. Obviously Siphon Power wasn't designed "for" Stalker but nevertheless, the Kin set is GOOD.
Electricity Control is very very interesting. Yes, Domination doesn't help but between Condutive Aura and Static Field, you can drain endurance very efficiently! You can cast AoE sleep out of sight. The power itself is very good already so even without Domination, it is still fun. From Dominator's point of view, Dom melees a lot (well, I know my Earth Assault does!) so the aura helps me more than Controller unless the troller wants to be in melee range all the time. I see Elec set being better on Dominator than on Controller at the moment because if a troller wants to do Containment damage, the aoe immb may wake them up too often. I can't wait to get the 3 pets. :P
Many people want Dark Illusion Control and that set has quite a few powers that can't have Domination buff.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I didn't realize I needed domination to completely nullify a group of minion/LT class enemies by level 8 (or whatever level you get static field at) without SOs.
On the plus side, it still affects Tesla Cage :P
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Based on my own personal experiences and the testimonials in the rest of this thread i humbly submit that the fault may not lie entirely with the new sets.
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Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
So I roll up a kin/elec stalker. What do I find out? That Concentrated Strike doesn't automatically work out of hide. Going to have to delete my stalker now.
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now. |
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That would be my first thought as well.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Based on my own personal experiences and the testimonials in the rest of this thread i humbly submit that the fault may not lie entirely with the new sets.
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There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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So, um I gather that you don't play ANY doms or stalkers? Because all of them have powers that don't crit out of hide and that don't work with domination.|
Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
So I roll up a kin/elec stalker. What do I find out? That Concentrated Strike doesn't automatically work out of hide. Going to have to delete my stalker now.
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now. |
I'm not sure why it matters either way. I've done three or four missions in a row without using domination once (solo on +1x6). So, I'm thinking that Schismatrix nailed it on the head.
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changed that for you schis.... |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Based on my own personal experiences and the testimonials in the rest of this thread i humbly submit that the fault may not lie AT ALL with the new sets.
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i agree with this also.
Another thing to think about is dominion only effects you, so if the power summons a pet or a pueso-pet it will not effect them.
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I lol'd.
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Originally Posted by kojirodensetsu
Going to have to delete my stalker now.
Going to have to delete my dom now. |
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Right there with you, Schismatrix.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Based on my own personal experiences and the testimonials in the rest of this thread i humbly submit that the fault may not lie entirely with the new sets.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I lol'd.
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after reading tht OP i Rolled on the floor laughing my a** off.
so domintion doesnt work on 2 powers...OH NO!!! what ever will we do..oh wait
ill use- my other powers loland same for stalker
So I roll up a kin/elec stalker. What do I find out? That Concentrated Strike doesn't automatically work out of hide. Going to have to delete my stalker now.
So I roll up an elec/elec dom. What do I find out? That domination doesn't work with the sleep, knockdown, and confuse powers. Going to have to delete my dom now.