"I am not nor have I ever been a villain..."
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AmazingMOO,
Posted on: 2010-08-28 08:51 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Why would they?|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
I've just been wondering about the acceptability of playing a villain AT to 20, switching them to hero, and saying that they've never been a villain. It seems kind of dumb to say that you must be a villain, Praetorian, or ex-villain if you control a small army of robots, but I'm sure somebody would complain if I tried to make a pure-hero one.
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The Gadget based hero is one of the prime types of hero after all.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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If there's one thing this thread shows it's that people will complain about anything.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Why would they?
The Gadget based hero is one of the prime types of hero after all. |
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
But I don't know why!
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Originally Posted by LISAR
But I don't wanna.
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That's not a pen, that's a novelty movie prop.
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Originally Posted by Jbot
Well fine then, just look at the red light on top of this pen.
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Shushushush...
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Originally Posted by LISAR
That's not a pen, that's a novelty movie prop.
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Didn't you know that that was why the internet was created in the first place?|
Originally Posted by LISAR
If there's one thing this thread shows it's that people will complain about anything.
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Legend says that the first forum post was a complaint that people with phone lines were now OP'd.
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It's was created as a way for communications networks to become more difficult to take down so we can get as much porn as needed during WWIII.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Didn't you know that that was why the internet was created in the first place?
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Oddly, Godwin's law was in place even then.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
It's was created as a way for communications networks to become more difficult to take down so we can get as much porn as needed during WWIII.
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/info|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No it doesn't give us that additional information because if it did we would get detailed information about the opponents we face in addition to the brief mission description. All we get if we are lucky is the leaders name and affiliation.
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/infoself
ta-daa!
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"I've been working undercover in the Rogue Isles for the last 20 levels."|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
I've just been wondering about the acceptability of playing a villain AT to 20, switching them to hero, and saying that they've never been a villain. It seems kind of dumb to say that you must be a villain, Praetorian, or ex-villain if you control a small army of robots, but I'm sure somebody would complain if I tried to make a pure-hero one.
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"I've been working undercover in Praetoria for the last 20 levels." While the game doesn't say we're sending people over there to infiltrate Powers Division and the Resistance, it also doesn't say we're not, afaik.
"That villain wasn't me. It was my evil Praetorian counterpart/Protean trying to besmirch my good name."
"This is a comic book game. RETCON!"
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I don't think Altair would appreciate you stealing his RP rules |
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Then you'll love my rules for RP: "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."
Oh wait, that's not my RP rules... |
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That's player info not character info. |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
/info
/infoself ta-daa! |
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it doesn't say we can't use info gained as players rather than characters either|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
"I've been working undercover in Praetoria for the last 20 levels." While the game doesn't say we're sending people over there to infiltrate Powers Division and the Resistance, it also doesn't say we're not, afaik.
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Well....|
Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
it doesn't say we can't use info gained as players rather than characters either
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
"This is a comic book game. RETCON!"
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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Well, perhaps the same way that another character is expected to know that stalker in question isn't from the Rogue Isles.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
The only problem I have with someone "distrusting Stalkers in general" is How does the character know they're a stalker in the first place? People don't walk around with little symbols floating above their heads to tell you what Archetype they are. My main is a Blaster who has Stealth, and Superspeed with a Stealth Proc in it, yet no one has ever accused him of being a villain when they first met him.
In short, unless Moo actually said, IC, "I'm a stalker", the other character had no realistic way of knowing it, which makes IC dealing with it a waste of time, since the other player has gone OOC when reacting to his character. |
Although, to be fair, the H4-R does include Archetype.
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Isn't that the number one rule of roleplaying? Your character only knows what the character knows, not necessarily what you know.|
Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
it doesn't say we can't use info gained as players rather than characters either
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Originally Posted by reiella
Well, perhaps the same way that another character is expected to know that stalker in question isn't from the Rogue Isles.
Although, to be fair, the H4-R does include Archetype. |
"Nope."
End of discussion.
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Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
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im sorry theres no rule saying this so i can get away with it|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Isn't that the number one rule of roleplaying? Your character only knows what the character knows, not necessarily what you know.
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/whoosh
Ugh.
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Yes but it requires that the person running the game enforces it. You can't get that to happen in an MMO.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Isn't that the number one rule of roleplaying? Your character only knows what the character knows, not necessarily what you know.
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That's sort of my point: unless the character has been told where the other character in question is from, IC, they have no realistic way of knowing another toon's affiliation and AT.|
Originally Posted by reiella
Well, perhaps the same way that another character is expected to know that stalker in question isn't from the Rogue Isles.
Although, to be fair, the H4-R does include Archetype. |
Also, the registration document isn't a badge that characters wear, so IC information held on it shouldn't be used unless you go to City Hall and RP reading up on it.
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A few of my characters have direct links to any system that isn't shut down and sealed in a block of cement, but i get where you're coming from. |
Originally Posted by Shadowe
That's sort of my point: unless the character has been told where the other character in question is from, IC, they have no realistic way of knowing another toon's affiliation and AT.
Also, the registration document isn't a badge that characters wear, so IC information held on it shouldn't be used unless you go to City Hall and RP reading up on it. |
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Similarly so, you don't know if that character's back story facilitates them having privileged knowledge.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
That's sort of my point: unless the character has been told where the other character in question is from, IC, they have no realistic way of knowing another toon's affiliation and AT.
Also, the registration document isn't a badge that characters wear, so IC information held on it shouldn't be used unless you go to City Hall and RP reading up on it. |
At the same point, there are a number of folks who want to play 'out of the system' as it were, perhaps just for that reason. However, that goes back to the before mentioned issue of players wanting to ignore elements of the in-game construct for their lore.
However, I personally tie the construct to the nature of the game. I don't personally think it would be a 'fun exercise' in RP, to have the party grind to a halt and have to break the fourth wall to do a proper RP interaction with a doppelganger.
Use it as opportunity to interact, don't use it as an excuse not to interact
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And some RPers simply don't believe that is true. All of my Paragon residents have access to the PPD's database through the scanner which is how they identify threats and know criminals. If you are freely operating as a powered individual in Paragon they will be able to identify you if not by birth name then by powered persona and a rough summary of abilities.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
That's sort of my point: unless the character has been told where the other character in question is from, IC, they have no realistic way of knowing another toon's affiliation and AT.
Also, the registration document isn't a badge that characters wear, so IC information held on it shouldn't be used unless you go to City Hall and RP reading up on it. |
Now my Isle residents are a bit of a mix, some using the same or similar tech and others flying blind. Also depending on /info even the ones in the know might not be able to identify someone who has no record in Paragon. I'm not even touching on my two psychics.
To claim another character must interact with you in a certain way is not role playing it's God moding. The game world itself supports a wide range of provabilities and your expectations of another character's limits are unfair.
RP is fun among trusted friends...lol..I RP with my alts with my wife who also RP's with hers. We like the various shades of good/not so good/evil in Going Rouge now and have fun conversations in our RP situations. I don't know if you actually had these amazing powers if you would even classify yourself as anything like you are in the game. I mean would you discover with say, stalking that your ability to fade away and then strike with lethal force instantly is a stalker? You would just think, wow, I'm a killer! Also interestingly enough I do not think I would be inclined to kill anyone with any of the powersets..I would do the tie them up for the police routine and maybe have a ghostwriter pen me a bio to sell on Oprah...lol..anyways..to those of you who are RPers..see you around..and have fun!
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